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Apple Working on 11.1-Inch and 13-Inch OLED iPad Pro Models for 2024

macduke said:
I think I'm going to go from the 12.9" iPad Pro down to the 11.1" OLED the next time I upgrade. I think I'm going to move down to the 14" MBP when the M3 or M4 chip comes out, depending on whether they put OLED into the MBP, and then maybe upgrade my iPad the next year. Maybe the 14" MBP, which is 14.2", will get a bump up to 14.5" when they move to OLED? That would be great. I went with the 12.9" because of Mini LED and the 16" MBP because at the time the 13" was all that was available so the display was a bit on the small side and it didn't have the fastest CPU or GPU since they were still on Intel. The 14" MBP will replace my 16" MBP and my 27" iMac, so I will need to buy a 5K display. Hopefully by then 6K displays are more common and affordable!
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Love hearing thoughts on the perfect ecosystem and upgrade paths, especially when your methodology is similar to mine. :)
 
The 11.1 inch would be my preference iPad. But I need to get a new one now, my old one is on its last legs. So what do I do? Get a lower price iPad to hold me over until these come out, or try to wait for an entire year? Thanks Apple. You always make it hard!!😊
 
matthewlcx said:
The current iPad Pro/Macbook Pro 14/16 display:
SDR brightness: 600 nits max (typical)
XDR brightness: 1,000 nits max full screen, 1,600 nits peak (HDR content only)

Macbook Air M2 display:
500 nits brightness



Oled is a absolutely upgrade for current Macbook Air, is easy to have 500 mites brightness and better display quality. But the question is would Oled be a upgrade for Mini-led display?

I will definitly buy a new Oled Macbook Air but doubt about having a new iPad Pro or Macbook Pro. It seems unlikely to have 1,000 nits or 1600 nites peak brightness.

I think the Apple's sales strategy is applying the OLED on low-end product and keep the Mini-LED for high-end product.
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One thing about the 14” and 16” MacBook Pros is that a smart developer figured out a way to fool the system into thinking it was always displaying HDR content with a utility called Vivid. The screen can be set to display at 1000 nits all the time. That makes that mini-LED screen vastly superior to just about any screen out there. The utility is not against Apple’s rules because it is only using Apple API’s and is not at all a hack. It works great on my two MBP’s.

I say that the mini-LED is better than current OLED because the current generation of OLED cannot handle those brightnesses for sustained periods of time typically maxing out at 400 nits for laptop/tablet sized screens and often lower at 250 nits. The version Apple is looking at to use is a double stacked (tandem) OLED screen that has the effect of making the brightness as high as the mini-LED screens. Burn-in technology is such that burn-in is pretty rare nowadays, though it may not hurt to buy Apple Care+ if you don’t trust brand new tech. No laptop or tablet uses this type of screen, though I believe the Galaxy S22 Ultra does, which allows it to attain 1750 nits of brightness. The Apple Watch Ultra may also have one maxing out at 2000 nits. But it has never been used on large screens like tablets/laptops.

A new double stacked OLED screen will be better visually than Apple’s mini-LED, matching it in brightness and having none of the drawbacks like blooming, There is only one question in my mind whether Apple may impose an Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL) if the screen is showing similar content for long periods of time. I have two OLED TV’s right now and both annoyingly have that feature. Even if the scene is moving, the average brightness of the screen is not changing much (think a person talking in a chair who does nothing more than move his head briefly now and then) and the screen begins to get darker and darker over time. It’ll only reset to full brightness if you move away from that scene even if for a second. If Apple does this on content that stays relatively static, such as if someone where browsing the web, that could be a huge problem, but that would definitely be something Apple can easily see in testing, Note that hidden service menus in OLED TV’s allow us to turn off the ABL, though at the risk of violating warranty. If you use an OLED TV as a computer monitor, you’ll see this issue fairly frequently.

All-in-all, I’m looking forward to the tandem OLED displays on MacBooks and iPads. That’s a first day purchase for me. Of course this means there will be no iPad Pros released in 2023 since Apple is on an 18-month cycle with the OLEDs coming out likely March 2024.
 
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klasma said:
I haven’t had burn-in issues with Samsung OLED tablets so far.
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Neither have I but my two Samsung tablets (Galaxy Tab S7+ and S8 Ultra) are pretty dim at only 400 nits max. They are not the new tandem OLED displays Apple will be using that can go to 1600 nits for real HDR, not the fake HDR400 used on so many devices and monitors.
 
Gengar said:
Can't wait. The 11" iPad Pro is the perfect size for me, for travel.
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I’m actually happy with the two sizes they have now. 11” is great for weight. 12.9” is almost too heavy for easy carrying around. An 11.1” and 13” isn’t going to be noticeable. I got my wife an iPad Air 5 (10.9”) to replace her dying iPad Pro 11” 2018 and she couldn’t tell the difference. Except for FaceID versus TouchID, they were the same iPad to her.

If the displays go to 11.1” and 13”, we won’t notice the difference without going in with a ruler to measure.

As someone who owns a Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra (14.2”), I think that’s too big. It’s a lot heavier and harder to lug around casually. Even the 12.9” is stretching it, so I’d likely pass on a 14-16” iPad. The Tab Ultra basically sits in its case on a desk full time. I never take it anywhere because it’s too big. The 12.9” iPad Pro goes with me everywhere even when just walking through the house, though I do say I miss my 11” (It’s the failing one my wife gave up for the Air). If the ~11” iPad Pro gets OLED, I’m downsizing. I got the 12.9” because it had mini-LED and the 11” didn’t.
 
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tobybrut said:
Neither have I but my two Samsung tablets (Galaxy Tab S7+ and S8 Ultra) are pretty dim at only 400 nits max. They are not the new tandem OLED displays Apple will be using that can go to 1600 nits for real HDR, not the fake HDR400 used on so many devices and monitors.
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Normal UI won’t be using HDR highlights, so I’d still be optimistic. For indoor use (not in sunlight) 400 nits is plenty, I wouldn’t call that dim. I have the Tab S6 at nominal 435 nits, for comparison the iPad Air 4 had 440 nits. 1600 nits is crazy indoors, I would expect that to only occur for small highlights in HDR video.
 
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tobybrut said:
As someone who owns a Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra (14.2”), I think that’s too big. It’s a lot heavier and harder to lug around casually. Even the 12.9” is stretching it, so I’d likely pass on a 14-16” iPad.
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Due to the different aspect ratios, the S8 Ultra is mostly just a bit longer (and actually slightly narrower) than the 12.9" iPad:

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A 14" 4:3 iPad would still be shorter than the S8 Ultra:

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The 12.9" inch is nice for on-desk use with a stand, and for reading PDFs. I’d buy a 14" for those use cases, and/or for wall mounting.
 
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I hope they have feature parity and the screens are of a similar quality. I don’t see myself in the market for another iPad for a LONG time - if ever, but the 11” would be nice.
 
Honestly I would love an iPad (pro or not) without a back camera to save me some cash. I NEVER use mine since I have a phone that isn’t cumbersome to wield. MacBooks don’t have back cameras, either. Who really uses those on iPads, seriously!? 😂
 
Macropanda said:
I’d love this but also a little worried about burn in here. Phones are fine as you rarely have the same app open for long periods. There is a lot of switching.
But iPads, especially for power users will have the same few apps open for long periods of time. Should be interesting to see how Apple have dealt with this.
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Burn-in isn't really an issue on OLED anymore with normal usage. I've had an LG OLED TV for almost 3 years now and don't exactly baby it. Watching sports and cable news, playing video games. Not had any issues with image retention.
 
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I wonder if it’ll have Wifi 7?

I really hope apple updates iPadOS to better make use of the m-series processors (for example add free-form windowing as in macOS, bring pro apps like Final Cut and Xcode) because I see little reason to update to a newer model beyond m1.

M1 is amazing.
 
gpat said:
Damn... too small.
12" and 14" would've been perfect.
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I disagree. The existing iPads are the “right” sizes. The 11” is great for traveling (more convenient than a notebook, and just as useful when paired with an Apple or Logitech keyboard cover).
 
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