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Define serious work? I couldn’t possibly do that. There are thousands of use cases for multiple monitors: Graphics designers, programmers, architects, network engineers, sound engineers, video editors, stock traders, etc.

I’m in one of these occupations. I need a multiple-monitor setup.
I understand you need multiple monitors for your particular job. I believe you mentioned it a while back. In my opinion, any job that is necessary for shelter, food, clothing and other daily expenses is "serious work," even if a particular job isn't physically or mentality intensive etc. Something to think about.
 
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Define serious work? I couldn’t possibly do that. There are thousands of use cases for multiple monitors: Graphics designers, programmers, architects, network engineers, sound engineers, video editors, stock traders, etc.

I’m in one of these occupations. I need a multiple-monitor setup.
My son is still using my Dell 2407 monitors that I bought in 2006, he loves the dual setup for coding. No reason to throw away perfectly capable equipment.
 
My son is still using my Dell 2407 monitors that I bought in 2006, he loves the dual setup for coding. No reason to throw away perfectly capable equipment.
It's not just dual/multiple monitor set-ups. On certain monitors like the LG 34" 5K2K, only the M1 Pro's can unlock higher scaling / resolution options which results in more usable screen real estate.
 
I never said I was buying the base M1 Air. My intention was to buy the M2 Air with 16/512 but only if it was the same price as the M1 Air. At $1200 for the base, though, it’s only a couple hundred cheaper than the MBP 14” after adding more memory and storage, and since the 14” is almost a year old, I‘ve come to the conclusion that both are bad deals and decided not to buy either one.
The 14” MBP is an awesome deal imo. I got a machine that is way more powerful than my 16”i9. It was $800 AUD cheaper than my i9. Lighter and more portable. And it doesn’t double as a room heater that sounds like a vacuum cleaner when under load.

8 performance cores and dedicated GPU in a light portable machine like this is great. I could never get the 13” MBP because of integrated graphics and it was never available with the same CPU as the 16”. But now the smaller of the MacBook Pros is plenty powerful while also being super portable.
 
I understand you need multiple monitors for your particular job. I believe you mentioned it a while back. In my opinion, any job that is necessary for shelter, food, clothing and other daily expenses is "serious work," even if a particular job isn't physically or mentality intensive etc. Something to think about.
Give me a break already. I was talking about serious work on a computer. You got nothing better to do?
 
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The 14” MBP is an awesome deal imo. I got a machine that is way more powerful than my 16”i9. It was $800 AUD cheaper than my i9. Lighter and more portable. And it doesn’t double as a room heater that sounds like a vacuum cleaner when under load.

8 performance cores and dedicated GPU in a light portable machine like this is great. I could never get the 13” MBP because of integrated graphics and it was never available with the same CPU as the 16”. But now the smaller of the MacBook Pros is plenty powerful while also being super portable.
It’s a good machine but considering it’s almost a year old, not a good deal since a price drop is that much closer. It’ll be a good deal after Apple releases the 14” M2 Pro and I can get the M1 Pro for the same price or less than the price of the M2 Air with the same RAM/storage.

Who knows, if Apple doesn’t skimp on the 14” upgrade like they did with the M2 Air, and they keep the price the same, I may opt for that.

I actually think the 13” M2 MBP is the worst value of the bunch and why that’s in the lineup is a complete mystery. For $100 less, I can get the M2 Air with a bigger screen, better camera, brand new design, much lighter, has real function keys, and is just as fast with few exceptions.
 
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I’d be surprised if the M2Pro 14” is the same price as last years M1Pro given inflation and supply chain issues. But hey, Apple might surprise us all.

The good/bad thing for me using this machine is that a lot of the software I use is only just becoming M1 native rather than running under Rosetta.

The good thing is this machine is 150% the performance of the 16”i9 when limited to Rosetta.

As the software becomes native, the speed boosts come, so it actually feels like it keeps getting faster.

I’d be expecting the M2Pro to be around 18% faster if the M1/M2 upgrade is anything to go by. But when will it be here? November perhaps then limited supply and hard to get??
 
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It’s a good machine but considering it’s almost a year old, not a good deal since a price drop is that much closer. It’ll be a good deal after Apple releases the 14” M2 Pro and I can get the M1 Pro for the same price or less than the price of the M2 Air with the same RAM/storage.

Who knows, if Apple doesn’t skimp on the 14” upgrade like they did with the M2 Air, and they keep the price the same, I may opt for that.

I actually think the 13” M2 MBP is the worst value of the bunch and why that’s in the lineup is a complete mystery. For $100 less, I can get the M2 Air with a bigger screen, better camera, brand new design, much lighter, has real function keys, and is just as fast with few exceptions.
It’s in the lineup because some people need the TouchBar. I’m not one of them - I’ve always hated it, but I can totally see some needing it. For example, musicians controlling their sound themselves.
 
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It’s in the lineup because some people need the TouchBar. I’m not one of them - I’ve always hated it, but I can totally see some needing it. For example, musicians controlling their sound themselves.
No one “needs” a touchbar since those functions can be replicated on screen in conjunction with the trackpad. It’s also clear the touchpad is not in Apple’s mid-long term plans.

Judging by Apple’s super messy lineup, I think this is just another case of bean counters (Tim Cook) run amok and while all these models on a spreadsheet looks great for revenues/profits, it causes market confusion and oftentimes reduces sales as we’re witnessing with iPad.

A 13” iPad Pro with magic keyboard costs $250 more than the new M2 MB Air. And a 13” M2 MacBook Pro costs $100 more than the sleek new M2 MB Air that has a larger screen, better camera, is much lighter, and is just as fast. We won’t even get into the insanity of the different power bricks available for the M2 Air or the outrageously priced accessories (display, cleaning cloth, hinge for the display, etc.). The whole lineup has become a confusing mess of a dumpster fire.
 
No one “needs” a touchbar since those functions can be replicated on screen in conjunction with the trackpad. It’s also clear the touchpad is not in Apple’s mid-long term plans.

Judging by Apple’s super messy lineup, I think this is just another case of bean counters (Tim Cook) run amok and while all these models on a spreadsheet looks great for revenues/profits, it causes market confusion and oftentimes reduces sales as we’re witnessing with iPad.

A 13” iPad Pro with magic keyboard costs $250 more than the new M2 MB Air. And a 13” M2 MacBook Pro costs $100 more than the sleek new M2 MB Air that has a larger screen, better camera, is much lighter, and is just as fast. We won’t even get into the insanity of the different power bricks available for the M2 Air or the outrageously priced accessories (display, cleaning cloth, hinge for the display, etc.). The whole lineup has become a confusing mess of a dumpster fire.
I didn’t read past “no one needs a Touch Bar” because it’s a pretty ridiculous statement. The fact that you and I don’t need it, doesn’t mean that no one needs it. A musician performing onstage would rather use the trackpad instead of the Touch Bar for controlling the sound during the performance? Are you seriously saying this? Done with you - don’t bother to respond.
 
I didn’t read past “no one needs a Touch Bar” because it’s a pretty ridiculous statement. The fact that you and I don’t need it, doesn’t mean that no one needs it. A musician performing onstage would rather use the trackpad instead of the Touch Bar for controlling the sound during the performance? Are you seriously saying this? Done with you - don’t bother to respond.
I’m responding anyway because it’s not me saying no one needs a touchbar, it’s Apple. If they thought people needed it, they wouldn’t be phasing out now, would they?
 
And a 13” M2 MacBook Pro costs $100 more than the sleek new M2 MB Air that has a larger screen, better camera, is much lighter, and is just as fast.
They are the same price if you spec them out to be equal.

Also, the MBP is faster.
 
I’m responding anyway because it’s not me saying no one needs a touchbar, it’s Apple. If they thought people needed it, they wouldn’t be phasing out now, would they?
They shoved it down everyone’s throat, and most people hated it. They should never have done it. It’s an excellent idea for those who need it, as in the example I mentioned. My son takes remote music lessons and used a MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar for a year to control the sound, and that was excellent. Then, I replaced his Intel MacBook Pro with an M1 MacBook Air, and now we both see that the Touch Bar sound controls were so much more intuitive. He can still, of course, do the same controls with the trackpad, but it takes longer and is not as convenient. It was at that time that I realized that the Touch Bar had some useful applications in some use cases.

Apple is keeping the MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar alive, and in fact they have just updated the MacBook Pro with Touch Bat to M2. They are obviously not phasing out this particular model with the Touch Bar. If they were, they wouldn’t have updated it a few days ago.
 
You said that people who are being paid at work are pro's, if that's the case why would Apple put the M1 as the #1 reason for business to switch to MAC, you have already said that these macs are not meant for Pro's. Seems unethical to push a product to professionals that you have already said was not meant for pro's.

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What I've been saying is that the Air line is positioned as consumer products.

However, Apple is well aware that their consumer products CAN be used for business. They are also aware that their professional products can be used by consumers (which is why they're SOOO pretty).

Seems you're getting hung up on the difference between product positioning and marketing.
 
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They shoved it down everyone’s throat, and most people hated it. They should never have done it. It’s an excellent idea for those who need it, as in the example I mentioned. My son takes remote music lessons and used a MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar for a year to control the sound, and that was excellent. Then, I replaced his Intel MacBook Pro with an M1 MacBook Air, and now we both see that the Touch Bar sound controls were so much more intuitive. He can still, of course, do the same controls with the trackpad, but it takes longer and is not as convenient. It was at that time that I realized that the Touch Bar had some useful applications in some use cases.

Apple is keeping the MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar alive, and in fact they have just updated the MacBook Pro with Touch Bat to M2. They are obviously not phasing out this particular model with the Touch Bar. If they were, they wouldn’t have updated it a few days ago.
I agree, I’m one of those people who hated it. I’m sure there’s a niche that found it useful but if Apple just added a touchscreen, that would’ve been a better solution. They didn’t kill it just yet but the writing is on the wall.
 
They are the same price if you spec them out to be equal.

Also, the MBP is faster.
It’s only faster if you’re pushing it to the limit in which case the user is better off buying a studio or M1 Pro. And even then we’re talking a marginal boost so it still begs the question as to why Apple even bothered.
 
I agree, I’m one of those people who hated it. I’m sure there’s a niche that found it useful but if Apple just added a touchscreen, that would’ve been a better solution. They didn’t kill it just yet but the writing is on the wall.
I would absolutely hate the touch screen. I can’t stand fingerprints on my screen, and I used to yell at people who touched my screens. Fortunately, I haven’t been to an office in many years now, so no one touches my screens.

The Touch Bar has no useful application in many cases, so app developers were just enabling a solution to a problem that didn’t exist. Eventually, most app developers abandoned any additional development efforts for the Touch Bar. However, in the use cases where the Touch Bat makes a lot of sense, I don’t see why app developers wouldn’t continue to develop for the Touch Bar and improve its functionality. So, I am not too sure Apple is killing the Touch Bar. It’s just as likely they will continue to offer it as an option - if not on all Macs, then on some of them. There is no good reason to kill something that’s being used even if by a small percentage of users - as long as it’s not shoved down everyone’s throat.
 
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It’s only faster if you’re pushing it to the limit in which case the user is better off buying a studio or M1 Pro. And even then we’re talking a marginal boost so it still begs the question as to why Apple even bothered.
Because there are consumers that push past the limit and want a laptop and don't want to spend $2k?
 
What I've been saying is that the Air line is positioned as consumer products.

However, Apple is well aware that their consumer products CAN be used for business. They are also aware that their professional products can be used by consumers (which is why they're SOOO pretty).

Seems you're getting hung up on the difference between product positioning and marketing.
Nope, that would be you. You think that anyone who uses a computer at work is a professional computer user.
 
Nope, that would be you. You think that anyone who uses a computer at work is a professional computer user.
Whoo, boy. Looks like we fundamentally disagree on that and will have to leave it at that.

In any case, you can rage against Apple's decisions regarding what a professional product means all day long, but it will not change anything.

In the end, you'll either buy the product or you wont. Apple's OK with this, and so am I.
 
Whoo, boy. Looks like we fundamentally disagree on that and will have to leave it at that.

In any case, you can rage against Apple's decisions regarding what a professional product means all day long, but it will not change anything.

In the end, you'll either buy the product or you wont. Apple's OK with this, and so am I.
The only person who is raging is you and I'm ok with that.
 
I hope this is true. I mainly got my 15 inch MacBook Pro for the screen size, but I don't need that much processing power. I'll definitely buy a 15 inch MacBook Air. But I just bought my current one in 2019 so I'm not in a rush to replace it yet.
 
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