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Why would it cost as much as a 16” MBP?

If you configure a 14” MBP and a 16” MBP to the same spec the 16” is $200 more. That gives an approximate price for adding the larger screen. If you apply that same upgrade price to a 13” MBA at $1199, you get a 15” MBA at 1399. That is a reasonable base price for a 15” MBA.

People do worry that a larger Air would canibalize sales from the 14 or 16 MBP. But, while their base price is higher, their base configurations are better. I suspect if you configured a 15” MBA to the same level (except SOC) it would be a little cheaper than the 14” MBP but maybe only $100 or so. Still it would have the larger screen but not as large as the 16”. All in all, the 15 will appeal to some and may take sales away from the MBP but Apple won’t be hurting. You can relax about that.

Apple increased the price of the MacBook Air with the launch of the M2. So Apple is going to do the same with the 15” M2 MacBook Air.

The current M1 / M1 Pro / M1 Max / M1 Ultra didn’t receive a price increase yet due to inflation & chip shortages.
 
Apple increased the price of the MacBook Air with the launch of the M2. So Apple is going to do the same with the 15” M2 MacBook Air.

The current M1 / M1 Pro / M1 Max / M1 Ultra didn’t receive a price increase yet due to inflation & chip shortages.
They can’t increase the price of the 15” M2 MacBook Air because it does exist and doesn’t have a price yet.

My comments were just about it’s price relative to the 13” M2 MBA which is currently $1199 base price. If you add a $200 larger screen price (From the different in price between the small and large MBP) you get $1399 for a possible 15” MBA.
 
1. Are they not getting paid? Because that is the definition of Pro.

2. I never insisted that multiple monitors makes you Pro. I insist that Apple decided that multiple monitor setups should be relegated to the Pro space with regards to THEIR products and their position in Apple's computer offerings.
Correct, like the 13 MacBook Pro Pro Pro

Oh I guess you don't understand THEIR products


When the M1 came out Apple was pushing the M1 to businesses, how unethical of them pushing a product that was to for Pro's to so many companies.
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Maybe you should look up (or reconsider) the definition of "essential" then. Or "serious work".

I know people that charge hourly rates in the hundreds of dollars - using only one monitor.
I also know people that written entire doctoral theses on just one monitor.

I work with two external monitors every day - and the benefit to us is huge.
That doesn't mean I generalise my own experience to everyone.
A $2.000 laptop should support at least two external monitors. I need support for three, actually, for the work I do, but I could use a 15” screen on the laptop itself as a third monitor (still a compromise). So, I expressed my opinion, and you should just move on with your life instead of stalking me online.
 
A $2.000 laptop should support at least two external monitors. I need support for three, actually, for the work I do, but I could use a 15” screen on the laptop itself as a third monitor (still a compromise). So, I expressed my opinion, and you should just move on with your life instead of stalking me online.
It sounds like you would be better off with a $2000 14” MBP that can support multiple external monitors and be done with it.
 
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I don't understand all the demand for 3 monitor setups on a *laptop*
I use 3 screens at home on my Desktop PC.
It works really well to read one screen, type on another, and have a web browser open in the 3rd.

I use my Macbook when I'm traveling, or doing some light work at a cafe or park.
I bought the cable to use a 2nd monitor for my Macbook and think I've used it once, because it's just a pain to plug and unplug for some light work.

I don't see the practicality of plugging and unplugging cables to get 3 screens going from a laptop. It sounds like people are using their laptops as their primary computer. Apple has 2 desktop lines they make for that use. Sure, we all want One Machine To Rule Them All, but apple wants us to buy phone/ipad/computer/laptop/watches from them. Why would they make a cheap laptop replace a desktop sale?
 
Why would they create a 12” MacBook, when they have plans (reportedly) to offer an 11”, 12” and 14.1” iPP?
Because an IPad Pro is not a laptop. I’ve got both a 14”MBP and 13” iPP. The crossover of what I use them for is minimal.

I’d buy a 12” MacBook Air or Pro in an instant.
 
MBA M2 is a very disappointing upgrade… other than a new skin and slightly faster CPU, everything else remained the same.

The decision between MBA and MBP used to be much easier but now that they’re almost the same price (with same RAM and storage), Apple just made a messy product lineup even messier.

If they kept the price at $999, I would have jumped all over it. But now, I’ll probably grab a deal on a 14” MBP for not much more than the price of a MBA M2.
And therefore their strategy worked. You bought a MacBook Pro instead of a $999 laptop.

You really showed them!
 
A 14-inch iPad, now a 12-inch Macbook. I think we are delusional here.
I’d buy both in an instant. I spend a lot of time drawing, sketching and marking up drawings on the iPad Pro. The bigger the better.

My laptop on the other hand spends most it’s time on email and I connect to a 27” external in the office.

I had an old 2015 12” MacBook. That thing was awesome
 
iPad Mini
iPad
iPad Air
iPad Pro 11”
iPad Pro 12.9”
iPad Pro 14”

M2 Pro/Max MacBook 12”
M2 MacBook Air 13.6”
M2 Pro/Max MacBook Pro 14”
M2 MacBook Air 15”
M2 Pro/Max MacBook Pro 16”

Does this make sense?

It makes a lot of sense: it is called saturation of the market segments, it serves a company to expand the range of offers to the public and cover all the attractive market segments, countering the competition. Is it confusing? This is no longer Steve Jobs's Apple, with two colors for popular iPods / Macs, and one color for Pro products. It's Tim Cook's Apple, and where it can fill gaps, it fills them, while keeping 5-year-old watches, 7-year-old phones, 22-year-old iPods on sale.. It's ridiculous? Maybe, but when Jobs presented the iPhones in two colors or other that he found "minimal", you laughed at him and bullied his disciple and friend Ive, then it is useless to complain.
 
Correct, like the 13 MacBook Pro Pro Pro

Oh I guess you don't understand THEIR products


When the M1 came out Apple was pushing the M1 to businesses, how unethical of them pushing a product that was to for Pro's to so many companies.
apple-mac-business-page.jpg

I've really lost sight of what you are trying to say.

Apple pushes all products to the business (AKA Pro) sector, where Apple deems appropriate. There are businesses, and professionals (AKA people getting paid for their work) that use Apple's consumer-oriented products for their work as well.

It is up to the customer to decide which Apple product fits their needs and purchase accordingly. Apple is not being opaque about their devices capabilities or limitations.

If their limitations do not fit the workflow you or your co-workers/employees need, then it's simple: buy something else. Apple is OK with this.
 
I'm a 'pro' - a pro engineer. I don't need mountains of computing power to render complex textures or multi stream 8k video. But I do need to have 3 screens, for reviewing drawings or working on multiple spreadsheets while having teams or outlook open on another screen.

Its an active choice by apple to restrict the machines unnecessarily (as proven by the multi display capability over display link using the CPU to render) and its very annoying. I'll eventually end up spending 3 grand on a M1 or M2 pro machine when a MBA could do the jobs I need perfectly. I used to edit 4K videos on my 11 inch MacBook Air back in 2013.
My solution to this, even on my work pro since it can't handle all 3 screens on my desk, is to use displaylink for non-main displays. I'm considering a new air for myself, and I figure I'll switch the other side monitor to be plugged into a displaylink port and when I'm docked at my desk both machines will use displaylink for the side displays and drive my main center display directly. Works fine for me, may not for other's workflows though (I have a TS3+ and then a dell dock with displaylink chained off that, so still one cable for everything)
 
I keep thinking about the recurring iPhone 14 Max non Pro rumors when I need hope that 15” Air is really happening. We shall see this September.
 
I've really lost sight of what you are trying to say.

Apple pushes all products to the business (AKA Pro) sector, where Apple deems appropriate. There are businesses, and professionals (AKA people getting paid for their work) that use Apple's consumer-oriented products for their work as well.

It is up to the customer to decide which Apple product fits their needs and purchase accordingly. Apple is not being opaque about their devices capabilities or limitations.

If their limitations do not fit the workflow you or your co-workers/employees need, then it's simple: buy something else. Apple is OK with this.
You said that people who are being paid at work are pro's, if that's the case why would Apple put the M1 as the #1 reason for business to switch to MAC, you have already said that these macs are not meant for Pro's. Seems unethical to push a product to professionals that you have already said was not meant for pro's.

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It sounds like you would be better off with a $2000 14” MBP that can support multiple external monitors and be done with it.
Actually the 14" can only support 2, My brother in law has his 15" MBP stolen and replaced it with a 14", when he went to work he could not get his 3 external displays to work.
 
Yep. I use a company-provided PC laptop for work, and my office setup has 2 Lenovo monitors on a single arm (very nice) that I use with a dock and my laptop screen (I use the laptop's keyboard and an external mouse for a very clean setup).

My home setup is identical except that the monitors are not matched (I've accumulated a few over the years).

I'm thinking of replacing the separate ones with just one ultrawide; It gives me the same benefits of real estate while reducing the stupid app-window-not-opening-where-I want-it-so-I-have-to-drag-it-there Windows problem.

I wish my office did the same thing, but I'm sure it ain't happening anytime soon, if at all.
Are you considering the 40" 5K2K? If so, let us know how it is!
 
Actually the 14" can only support 2, My brother in law has his 15" MBP stolen and replaced it with a 14", when he went to work he could not get his 3 external displays to work.
Do you not also use the built-in screen? i don’t understand people who use a laptop in clamshell mode. Why waste that screen?
 
Does the decimal point have a different meaning where you're at?

In the U.S., 1.999 USD reads as one dollar and 99.9 cents
Another beautiful exemple of “I’m American don’t you dare tell me about something different from my views” you know the rest of the world (yeah yeah, us who didn’t go to the moon… bla bla bla) use and have different units, formats, languages and even cultures… we use the , where I’m from for currency 💁‍♂️ You know there’s a whole world out there and that the US is only a small 335 million people out of 7.9 billion right?
 
And therefore their strategy worked. You bought a MacBook Pro instead of a $999 laptop.

You really showed them!
I never said I was buying the base M1 Air. My intention was to buy the M2 Air with 16/512 but only if it was the same price as the M1 Air. At $1200 for the base, though, it’s only a couple hundred cheaper than the MBP 14” after adding more memory and storage, and since the 14” is almost a year old, I‘ve come to the conclusion that both are bad deals and decided not to buy either one.
 
I simply asked you to define serious work and you continue to deflect. If you are going to make a statement of opinion wrapped in the illusion of fact, the least you could have done is try and define the parameters.
Define serious work? I couldn’t possibly do that. There are thousands of use cases for multiple monitors: Graphics designers, programmers, architects, network engineers, sound engineers, video editors, stock traders, etc.

I’m in one of these occupations. I need a multiple-monitor setup.
 
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