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Apple Working on Pandora-Like Music Service? [Updated]
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copy cat!!!!
again apple copies ... time they came up with their own ideas. they sue samsung for a rounded rectangle cell phone and then want to copy pandora. Apple really needs to get their crap together.
Apple is rapidly falling far from the tree.
The new Kindle Fire HD is a great example.
again apple copies ... time they came up with their own ideas. they sue samsung for a rounded rectangle cell phone and then want to copy pandora. Apple really needs to get their crap together.
Apple is rapidly falling far from the tree.
The new Kindle Fire HD is a great example.
I hope to God Pandora sues the crap out of them.
They are to be awarded two billion cats!
For what?
I don't think it's as clear cut as that when you pluralize an initialism.
Oooops. Sorry, quoted the wrong post! Meant the other one about apostrophes.
Sad to hear them abandon the Spotify model. Listening to the world's library of music at your will with zero ads for $9/month with offline support on any mobile device I own is a fantastic experience that has altered how I listen to music and how I discover music. The kind of experiences that I think Apple stand for. Pandora-style? Yes, it's OK. But it won't be a replacement for that kind of music consumption for me.
I would love something Spotify like.
I'm know many people don't like this, but I love how Spotify shows what you're listening to on Facebook.....would be great if the new service could do that
I'm know many people don't like this, but I love how Spotify shows what you're listening to on Facebook.....would be great if the new service could do that
Copy??
You mean like how Apple is copying the business model of selling computers?
This would at best be a "copy" at a business model level. "New car rental service? WTF COPYYY!"
We don't even know anything about the software yet, or how it will integrate with iTunes.
Apple never sued Samsung or any others for their freaking business model.
Some of you are really clutching at straws here.
Good for you that you enjoyed the Kindle Fire HD.
1. If Apple doesn't significantly improve payouts to indie artists per-stream as compared to Spotify, this is a non-starter for me as both a musician and a supporter of musicians.
2. I wouldn't use this for the same reason I don't use Genius: I don't want Apple snooping around on my music behavior and knowing what's in my music library. It's creepy and none of their business. My guess is this kind of service was part of the reason for Genius in the first place. They need to profile your music habits in order to target iAds at you.
2. I wouldn't use this for the same reason I don't use Genius: I don't want Apple snooping around on my music behavior and knowing what's in my music library. It's creepy and none of their business. My guess is this kind of service was part of the reason for Genius in the first place. They need to profile your music habits in order to target iAds at you.
But you're ok with the fact that they know every single app you downloaded, every song you've bought from iTunes, and even your location?
Spotify offers offline mode where you can select up to 3,333 songs to listen to without any internet/3g/4g connection. You can use Spotify without using any AT&T data.
p.s. I think Apple is going after the wrong challenger. Spotify is a direct threat because people can substitute Spotify for Itunes.
Apple is the world largest music retailer, guess who is #2? Spotify.
http://www.businessinsider.com/spotify-revenue-labels-2012-6
Spotify Is Now The Second Biggest Source Of Revenue For Labels
Apple should go after Spotify, not Pandora. Spotify is a much more direct competitor. Pandora is passive. Spotify is "on-demand" which mean it can be used as a substitute to buying songs on Itunes. Why use $10 to buy 7-8 songs a month on Itunes when that same $10 can get you millions of songs on Spotify?
And Spotify has been growing like crazy. See below:
January, 2010:------------ 250,000 paid subscribers
March 17, 2010:----------- 320,000
July 20, 2010: ---------------- 500,000
December 8, 2010: ------ 750,000
March 8, 2011:--------------- 1,000,000
July 14, 2011: -----------------1,600,000
Sept 21, 2011: ---------------- 2,000,000
Nov 23, 2011: ------------------2,500,000
Jan 26, 2012: -------------------3,000,000
July 31, 2012:--------------------4,000,000 paid subscribers
Spotify Revenue:
2008: $0.612 million USD
2009: $18.1 million USD
2010: $99 million USD
2011: $236.4 million USD
2012: projected at $889 million USD
If it is ad supported and free, fine. Not gonna pay for a radio service though.
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Name one product that Apple created? Computer, digital music player, cell phone, tablet? Nope, none of those. Now name one product that Apple through their innovation, reinvented the wheel and made it to where the 'me too' crowd scrambled to get theirs out the door! Computer, digital music player, cell phone, tablet! Yep! Now, you're catching on.
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Don't forget Ping and iPod Hi-Fi!
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I'm definitely interested to see what they have in mind. AirPlay (and formerly AirTunes) is great for pumping iTunes music to multiple speakers throughout the house, but if you want to use something like pandora it can only be from a device to one set of speakers. If they built a similar service into iTunes then that could solve that issue. Of course, they could just expand the use of AirPlay from iOS devices to be able to send to multiple speakers too (for my issue at least)! That would probably be most beneficial since it would include all of the radio apps too.
Interesting as there have been many complaints from developers that iOS beta 4 has "interfered" with their streaming apps such as "Spotify". Reverting to previous beta's remedies the issue. As a developer, I understand "beta", however this combined with the plethora of issues from iOS 6 on the matter and given Apple's tendencies in holding off competition as of late I wouldn't put it past 'em.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I bought the Hi-Fi in/around 2006... it's survived 9-10 cottage weekends in less than stellar weather, performed incredibly well for house parties and acts as my main speaker sitting below my TV with the optical-in (small place, don't need big surround sytem). It was definitely worth the price. If I could buy another one for when this one eventually stops working, I definitely would.
While I do agree that spotify is a good option, I'm not sure that's due to value specifically.
Spotify Premium is £9.99 a month in the UK. So that's about £120 a year. For that £120 I could buy an album at £7.99 every 3.5 weeks. And since there are a lot of albums that are far cheaper than that I can probably buy about 16-17 albums in a year for that money (assuming £6.99 on average). That's far more than most music fans would buy. It's definitely more than I would tend to purchase in any given year.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the number of albums you buy is probably going to drop off as you get older. My dad used to buy lots of music when he was my age but rarely does now. So over a lifetime the amount I spend in iTunes will go down while the money I would have to spend on Spotify would remain the same.
Another big point is that money spent on iTunes is music for life. If Apple goes bankrupt and iTunes closes down I still have a library of DRM free music to listen to for as long as I live. If Spotify were to go bust tomorrow, on the other hand, a Spotify user would have nothing at all to show for all the money they've spent.
Spotify is a great option for many reasons but the value proposition of owning your own music, in the long run, is probably greater. That isn't to say that renting or subscription type services are not good. I find it's better to rent most movies since you may only watch a movie once or twice in the whole time you own it. Music, on the other hand, is listened to many, many times.
I'd much rather Apple just buy Last.fm from CBS (who seem to be doing everything they can to kill it).
I use them FAR more then Spotify or Pandora; plus the social aspect and personalization beats any thing. I'd love integration with Last.fm in the next version of iTunes so much.
Pandora didn't invent streaming music.
I use them FAR more then Spotify or Pandora; plus the social aspect and personalization beats any thing. I'd love integration with Last.fm in the next version of iTunes so much.
Pandora didn't invent streaming music.
I also use Last.FM as much as I can... though usually my scrobbling comes from Spotify as it seems to be the most reliable method. I've tried using the Track 8 player because it scrobbles but it's unreliable.I also had a separate app that scrobbles directly from the iPhone but needs to be initiated manually. The Last.FM OS X app seems to always be closed when I need it to be open and I miss scrobbles that way.
How do you do it?
Well, usually when I'm listening I'm have the web player open in a Firefox pinned tab but if you're listening through iTunes, I'd recommend the Tracks. It does cost a little but it's lightweight, sits in your menu bar, and scrobbles to Last.fm.
http://conceitedsoftware.com/products/tracks
I believe that the Last.fm app will scrobble from your iPod/iPhone too. I usually set it to open when I launch iTunes so that I can catch anything that comes through (although when I'm in my car I tend to either listen to podcasts, which I don't scrobble anyway, or the Last.fm app for the radio.
I'd like to see a Pandora-style service integrated right in to iTunes, across desktop and mobile. Even better, a straight all-you-can-eat subscription ala Spotify also tightly integrated.
I've been a Spotify user for a long, long time and can't imagine going back to anything else. Best $10 I drop each month no question asked.
I've been a Spotify user for a long, long time and can't imagine going back to anything else. Best $10 I drop each month no question asked.