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itunes radio...hello??

iTunes radio has been around for ages.
It would be great if Apple were to revamp that and make it just a bit more customizable.
 
All of these services discussed are incredibly poor for the musician.

The musician is faced with 'ok people are grabbing your records for free, let's make them pay 0.0000005 cents per play, it's better than nothing. That is.. if they can be bothered to sign up. Oh and it might actually not be quite 0.000005'
That is a pretty distorted image you have of musicians. Most of the musicians I know understand themselves as people who make music, not records. They get a tiny fraction of the money that the record companies make anyway.
I actually don't really get why record companies still exist, to be honest. There is absolutely no need for them. You can distribute music very well online, even better. The production of records at home is also not a real problem today (it's not even expensive). Every other byproduct of the record industry is actually highly cancerous for musicians, as they limit creativity and innovation. Thinking about that I am happy about every development that damages the power of record companies.
 
again apple copies ... time they came up with their own ideas. they sue samsung for a rounded rectangle cell phone and then want to copy pandora. Apple really needs to get their crap together.

Apple is rapidly falling far from the tree.

The new Kindle Fire HD is a great example.

What?

Why don't you focus all your energy on spotify and leave this forum.
 
only if you're like old people who end up listening only to music they grew up with. i grew up in the 80's but listen to A LOT of today's music


While I do agree that spotify is a good option, I'm not sure that's due to value specifically.

Spotify Premium is £9.99 a month in the UK. So that's about £120 a year. For that £120 I could buy an album at £7.99 every 3.5 weeks. And since there are a lot of albums that are far cheaper than that I can probably buy about 16-17 albums in a year for that money (assuming £6.99 on average). That's far more than most music fans would buy. It's definitely more than I would tend to purchase in any given year.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the number of albums you buy is probably going to drop off as you get older. My dad used to buy lots of music when he was my age but rarely does now. So over a lifetime the amount I spend in iTunes will go down while the money I would have to spend on Spotify would remain the same.

Another big point is that money spent on iTunes is music for life. If Apple goes bankrupt and iTunes closes down I still have a library of DRM free music to listen to for as long as I live. If Spotify were to go bust tomorrow, on the other hand, a Spotify user would have nothing at all to show for all the money they've spent.

Spotify is a great option for many reasons but the value proposition of owning your own music, in the long run, is probably greater. That isn't to say that renting or subscription type services are not good. I find it's better to rent most movies since you may only watch a movie once or twice in the whole time you own it. Music, on the other hand, is listened to many, many times.
 
there goes my data plan.
although, if they just let me stream my iTunes, i'll be plenty happy with that.

With iMessage, Apple bypassed carrier data plans for text messaging. People love streaming music, but it's a data hog. I wonder if this is a sort of iMessage for music, again bypassing carrier data and going directly through Apple's servers. That way people wouldn't have to worry about how much music they stream. For a lot of iPhone users, this could be a big deal.

If this keeps up, Apple will pretty much be their own carrier without technically being one.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I bought the Hi-Fi in/around 2006... it's survived 9-10 cottage weekends in less than stellar weather, performed incredibly well for house parties and acts as my main speaker sitting below my TV with the optical-in (small place, don't need big surround sytem). It was definitely worth the price. If I could buy another one for when this one eventually stops working, I definitely would.

Hmmm... I'll have to find another product for my smart ass posts then... :D
 
I'd like a system that scans your library and puts together a channel suited to you. Genius playlist but based on pandora like streaming technology.
 
only if you're like old people who end up listening only to music they grew up with. i grew up in the 80's but listen to A LOT of today's music

Not really.

I'm not saying people buy NO music when they're older but I'd wager there's a fairly standard pattern. Most young children buy very little or no music. Teens buy some but get most as presents. People in their late teens, twenties and thirties buy lots and then it probably declines as you get past your forties ending up with very little or no music bought in your seventies and eighties.

Just look at most record collections and you'll see this pattern - the biggest spike will coincide with the time when the owner was 16-35. And doesn't that make sense? I mean, when you have a back catalogue of much loved music that you enjoy listening to often you have limited time for listening to new music and so you buy less of it. Unless you intend to either stop listening to the stuff from your youth (which no one does) or devote an ever greater share of your free time to music consumption (which some people do, granted, but for most that's just not realistic).

Of course this isn't true for everyone. Some people stay very engaged with the music scene for their entire lives (more power to them I say! I hope I'm as interested in modern culture in 30 years as I am today) but surely you can't be disputing the general trend?

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With iMessage, Apple bypassed carrier data plans for text messaging. People love streaming music, but it's a data hog. I wonder if this is a sort of iMessage for music, again bypassing carrier data and going directly through Apple's servers. That way people wouldn't have to worry about how much music they stream. For a lot of iPhone users, this could be a big deal.

If this keeps up, Apple will pretty much be their own carrier without technically being one.

I'm not sure if that's accurate. I believe iMessages do count towards your data. How could Apple bypass the data plan? If it's not using Wifi that is. I'm assuming we're talking here about using data while NOT on Wifi, otherwise the entire debate is essentially null.
 
Because cats are awesome.

No, I mean, what would they sue over? Is Apple copying their app or some code? There are already many competitors in audio streaming, and Pandora isn't special. Adding Apple isn't anything, if it happens. If anyone, I would think they'd sue ClearChannel (or lobby for anti-competitive action) for their I Heart Radio app that has combined Pandora-like abilities with actual ownership of terrestrial radio stations.

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With iMessage, Apple bypassed carrier data plans for text messaging. People love streaming music, but it's a data hog. I wonder if this is a sort of iMessage for music, again bypassing carrier data and going directly through Apple's servers.
It doesn't hit Apple's servers until it's already gone through the carrier's data connection, using your data plan. What it bypasses is carrier's SMS servers.

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only if you're like old people who end up listening only to music they grew up with. i grew up in the 80's but listen to A LOT of today's music

So, you'll never be old? Sad plans, dude.
 
Just improve my $25/year iTunes Match service so that it streams and I'll be content. I'm old enough that I've collected enough music over the years that I don't need access to an infinite library of music.
 
I think improving Match would be better than trying to piggy back on an already awesome service.
 
But you're ok with the fact that they know every single app you downloaded, every song you've bought from iTunes, and even your location?

Yes, because I bought the apps FROM APPLE. In contrast, I have not bought any music from Apple; I only buy lossless formats. So it's none of their business what music I've bought elsewhere.
 
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