This is the BS that EU posters keep repeating.
They have no clue what anything costs, but they are happy to post their fantasies to support their agenda.
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They have no clue what anything costs, but they are happy to post their fantasies to support their agenda.
They could enact retaliatory regulation targeting EU companies or business with the EU in general. There is a lot a government can do, especially one which is as influential as the US.
Said that, we don't even know the stance of the US government on the matter: for all we know they might even look favorably at regulation like the DMA at least in nature if not in implementation.
and apple can X2 that keep most of the devs if they have issues with funding.
But to bill that fee + hardware costs + an per install free is just milking the devs for all they got while building there own services that copy what other apps do and sell them at an lower price.
Well not necessarily as everything hinges on EUs understanding of a company having an entrenched dominant position that grants them a dominant position. Hence why many more companies than Apple and google have been hit, such as facebook, Amazon, and windows
Booking, ByteDance and X notify their potential gatekeeper status
Concept of Dominant position provided by the “Glossary of terms used in EU competition policy” (Antitrust and control of concentrations, published in 2002): A firm is in a dominant position if it has the ability to behave inde-pendently of its competitors, customers, suppliers and, ultimately, the final consumer.
A dominant firm holding such market power would have the ability to set prices above the competitive level, to sell products of an inferior quality or to reduce its rate of innovation below the level that would exist in a competitive market.
This is to ensure that the company does not distort competition and that the market remains open and competitive.
Under EU competition law, it is not illegal to hold a dominant position, since a dominant position can be obtained by legitimate means of competi-tion, for example, by inventing and selling a better product
The CJEU emphasizes that while a dominant company is entitled to compete on the merits like any other company, it has a special responsibility to ensure that its conduct does not distort competition.
Well to be fair, that’s after multiple fines have been levied and they still don’t comply the last resort would be to force apples AppStore to be a separate entity in EU.
unless a complete sales ban would be imposed.
That chart tells you all you need to know — DMA rules were carefully crafted to TARGET non EU companies, mostly US.
The real question is, why can’t the EU compete? Why didn’t an EU company make the list? What’s holding you back?
Do you really expect these rules to make up for decades of failure?
Punishing companies for success just makes the EU look feckless and weak.
Where did this "hardware costs" nonsense come from? Users pay hardware costs, not developers, and those costs pay for the physical hardware only (just like on Android). Developers pay Apple for access to the App Store and developer resources through commission; the $99/year fee is a de minimus amount to prevent fraud and abuse of the system.
Why are you making up FUD?
Where has anyone demonstrated that developers need to abandon the AppStore?
They can sell their app in multiple places simultaneously.
People just keep sending language that clearly shows the $99/year is a membership for access to developer resources and claiming it supports their argument 😂
Arguably, the companies making those apps are making a tonne of revenue, so they should pay Apple a large fee to host their apps, but the consumer shouldn't have to pay to download it.
Indie devs should not be putting apps up for free IMO.
Yes, but in their fantasies, EU posters are SURE they know how much stuff costs because they said so!
Apple has built an ecosystem that pays developers twice as much as Android with only 25% of the users.
This FACT is ignored by EU posters because it destroys the whole point of the DMA.
They love the DMA because it supports their fantasy about how things “should be” without acknowledging reality. Just like the EU regulators writing the “rules”.
There is a whole community of people that believe that software should be free, as in beer, as in freedom, or both. One of the co-founders of Apple is one.
Itching for more fines and “compliance”.
It really is just a power trip to assuage what looks to be an inferiority complex.
Nice! Then EU should fund the development of “FreeOS” and all the devs who want to give away their work for free can jump on board 👍🏼
EU don’t care about competing as it’s beyond their mandate, and that’s completely up to member states to solve. You talk about EU like they are on the same level of power as the U.S. federal government, when it’s way weaker than that. EU is comparatively speaking an ultra small government, founded with 1~% of the GDP. Want to guess how many times the size of your own government dwarfs EU by tax expenditures on itself?(22%)
These rules are 70 years old or so when EU was just a simple trade union.
Because EU companies are already covered by existing laws in their home countries Booking (dot) com is an EU company.
That’s not EUs job, they only maintain the competitive nature of the market.
It’s less punishing than U.S. anti trust and monopoly laws are.
Still no takers on the EU dev agreement.
Anyone? Anyone?
There has to be at least one EU dev on this thread who thinks the new rules let them compete and innovate more…
The DMA rules are 70 years old?
Not sure what you mean there…
The whole “gatekeeper” status was clearly designed to TARGET — conveniently no EU companies fall into that status 🤔
That’s your issue…
EU is only a referee. It believes the merits of a product and services should be what matters.
And obviously Apple doesn’t have the merits to win in the free market, at least that’s what apple believes… otherwise they wouldn’t be so afraid and insecure that the AppStore would crush the competition 🤷♂️
Regulation means it's not a free market. It was a free market before. People had a choice between Apples platform, or Android. And frequently, if not most of the time developers make more money off of Apple's platform.
We shall see, as notes from the latest “compliance” meeting claim the regulators don’t want Apple to notarize either.
Talk about opening Pandora’s Box 😱
LOL!
Apple has already won in the free market.
The losers are just trying to hop on board for free at this point 😂
Talk about going to from bad to worse. I'm glad Apple walled off the EU iPhones from the rest of us.
Do you honestly think the EU is prepared to do this?
This will be a clustef%#k of the highest proportion.
Still trust the “regulators” to do what’s right?
What a joke.
This will be a clustef%#k of the highest proportion.
Still trust the “regulators” to do what’s right?
What a joke.
Regulation is necessary to preserve free markets. There is no such thing as a free market without regulation.
Whether it's appropriate to consider iOS as its own "market" that needs to be made open to fair competition to third-parties is a matter of opinion: the EU believes so and that's the reason they enacted the DMA.