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Apple making a camera is not a crazy idea, actually it's pretty damn smart. Here are some realities:

The iPhone is not killing the P&S camera, it's killing the crap P&S camera. Canon, Nikon, Fuji and the like still sell lots of P&S and bridge cameras. Why? Because they do things the iPhone camera can't do. Things like optical zoom, adjustable shutter speeds etc, just aren't physically possible on a phone camera.

One thing I consistently here from my photography enthusiast friends is "why can't my camera have a screen like the iPhone?" it's a valid complaint, and an apt observation. A retina display viewfinder on a real camera would be pretty awesome, don't even try to pretend otherwise.

Is the science of photography complicated? No, it isn't. But trying to figure out the various settings and ridiculous menus and controls that come on most digital cameras is a nightmare.

Why can't I just plug my camera in to a charger when the batteries are dead? Why do I need to buy rechargeable batteries or put the battery in a cradle or some other such nonsense?

An iPhone or iPad are tied right in to the apple ecosystem, a digital camera is not.

So, is there room for improvement? Miles. Is there a market? Yup, a big one--$60+ Billion annually.

Here's another thing, Tim Cook said at D10 that he would love to make products in the US. When asked if it could happen, he said maybe, not ruling it out like his predecessor. A camera could be the perfect product to do this with. Apple already gets glass and processors for iOS devices in the US. Optics would likely be imported ready to install. Assembly could be done domestically for a more limited product like this one.

This makes sense for another reason too. Currently, if relations between the US and China were to deteriorate--which is entirely plausible--Apple's production capabilities would be destroyed. Initiating a domestic supply chain makes a lot of sense, and this product would allow them to do it without scaring their Asian manufacturing partners.

The iPhone is the ultimate convergence device, and while exceedingly cool in many ways, proves Cook's point about convergence products not being ideal. Here you have a phone, a computer/web browser, a camera, a music player and a gps navigation/mapping device. The problem is that it doesn't do any of those things as well as a dedicated device does. For the phone & music player portion it's certainly adequate, but as a computer, browser and camera (though impressive for its size) it's woefully lacking in comparison to dedicated devices.

Is theniohone camera good? Yes. Would a dedicated product that utilizes the strengths of it, combined with the ability to correct its weaknesses be much better? You bet it would. Will Apple build it? Who knows...
 
One thing I consistently here from my photography enthusiast friends is "why can't my camera have a screen like the iPhone?" it's a valid complaint, and an apt observation. A retina display viewfinder on a real camera would be pretty awesome, don't even try to pretend otherwise.

You make a good point here. I think this is one reason we are seeing a push towards mirror-less high-end cameras. It's only recently that they've been able to make screens that can compete with an optical viewfinder(in most applications). Even when you are not using it as the viewfinder, it's damn handy to make sure you get the right exposure.
 
Please tell me 1 non-video situation that would require a consumer to shoot 24fps. I have the ability to shoot a whopping 3.5fps on my camera, and even as someone who shoots mostly extremely fast aircraft and car races, I very rarely use the capabilities.

Unfortunately, many camera users confuse the run and gun approach with photography; think if they shot 30 shots in a second they *must* get one keeper. Add to that the belief that a more expensive camera makes you a better photographer and Apple may just have a market there.
 
Why can't I just plug my camera in to a charger when the batteries are dead? Why do I need to buy rechargeable batteries or put the battery in a cradle or some other such nonsense?

Because this improves the life of the battery and the camera.

Because real photographers often do jobs which take long periods of time to complete and they wan't multiple batteries.
 
terrible idea
point and clicks are dying because people are switching to their phones
it would be stupid to make a non-dslr one
a video game console-apple tv combobox would be a better idea, imo
if they don't want to make a standalone video game box than they should do some more work on getting the ipad to be able to compete against the videogame consoles
"plug the ipad via hdmi
login via game center
connect 2 apple controllers via bluetooth
enjoy some high quality video games from the big screen"
 
I don't think apple would ever make a standalone camera. Too many others to compete with. But if they make the iPhone thin enough they could make the worlds thinnest colapsible lense moderatly high end camera and slap it on the back of the iPhone to make an iPhone pro. It would take years for the best copy cat companies to catch up and everyone else won't even go there. They can lower the price of the regular iPhone and keep the price of the pro iPhone higher. Plus it can feature high end face recognition and things to auto focus and blur images to mimic what only expensive lenses and dslr's can do. Plus it can feature a built in movie editor that can add transitions to your movie while you shoot scenes. And you can order prints from the camera and pick them up at the apple store o have them mailed to you. It just makes more sense to make it part of the iPhone because they are running out of upgrades for it. All they need do is buy a company that makes great tiny zoom lenses. He rest is software.
 
Apple would have a hard time coming up with something better then the Sony NEX line. I am very happy with my NEX 5n considering it's size. Going forward I think we are going to see more and more mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras which rival P&S in size, but have quality closer to a DSLR with their much larger sensors.
 
This is one of those thing that sounds good for two seconds, and then when you dig deeper, you realize it doesn't make a whole lick of sense.

Apple has already put their stamp on photography in many ways. Wasn't the iPhone 4 the most popular "camera" posting to Flickr only a few months after its release? That's impressive considering the number of other cameras, phones with cameras, laptops with cameras, etc. that were contributing.

The iPhone 4S camera is quite good, and perhaps Apple can continue to raise the bar with iPhone and iPad cameras over time to drive a new wave of enthusiasm towards photography, and how its done... but I don't see them developing their own camera.

I know I almost never used the "camera" on several of my smart phones over the years. The resolution didn't result in real photos. I paid $90 to print a ton of stuff that was stored on an HTC phone once and was sooo sad at the prints. All very blurry, poorly lit, and ugly. My iPhone 3GS (the first iPhone I had owned) wasn't a ton better, but I used it a bit more. Now, I use the iPhone 4S all the time, and when I do prints I'm always pretty happy with the results. That's one way Apple has brought me back "in" to photography.

What does it all mean????? :)
 
I don't know how a computer company can transform a camera wether its point and shoot to a DSLR.
Leave that to Nikon, Canon, Leica, etc.
 
the academy award for most-flawed statistic goes to....

They already did. It's called the iPhone.

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/

Image
Apple iPhone 4
Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Nikon D90
Canon EOS REBEL T2i
Apple iPhone 4S

So, by picking statistics from an internet social media photo-uploading site - you've seen the statistics for internet social media photo-uploaders.

It would be nicer to see some statistics from a broader community.
 
I'm for this. Apple is in the business of examining current products and markets and finding solutions to their flaws. If Apple came out with a camera I bet I will be thinking... "Why didn't the other guys do this years ago?"

They should concentrate on solving their own flaws instead of what they perceive as everyone else's.
 
While Apple has made an awesome camera in the iPhone 4 and 4S, I can't see them doing a point-and-shoot. People are already swaying away from P&S cameras because of phones like the iPhone.

Exactly. I still see folks with point & shoots, but it is becoming less and less. Casual photographers and teens use their phone. People that are more serious about photos buy a DSLR or maybe new Lecia or Pen.

I think these two categories (phones & removable lens) satisfy 95% of the camera needs for most folks.

P&S's will be gone in two years.
 
People seem to forget that Apple was among the first companies to release a digital camera to consumers.

Right...but it was introduced in 1994 and killed in 1997. I recall that NO digital camera was ever adopted by the consumers until 1999/2000 which was roughly 6 years after Apple introduced the QuickTake.

I don't know the reasons why QuickTake failed but it was likely:

1)It could only be used on a Mac (except the best version of the Quicktake which was the last release)...back in 1994-1997 nobody owned a Mac and Apple was basically bankrupt...hence nobody bought it.

2)Although the idea was neat, it may have been considered a gadget rather than anything semi-serious that would be adopted by millions.

3)Even today, a brand name like Apple is not synonymous with a digital cameras. iPhones and iPods with camera TECHNOLOGY built in?...sure...but not as a standalone, dedicated "camera". My 4S takes ok photos (and many of the HDR photos are butchered) but my 2001 Sony 5MB consumer digital camera blows away my late-2011 model iPhone 4S' pix. Brands like Nikon, Canon, and Sony were and still are the leaders in digital camera technology in the consumer's mind.

My opinion is that #1 was the big issue.
 
I do agree with releasing more iProducts but a standalone point-and-shoot is a huge mistake. Because of the convergence and success of smartphones standalone point-and-shoots are becoming a thing of the past. The only time I think of taking my 4 year old point-and-shoot is to a wedding or a special occasion which is very infrequent. All that's missing from smartphones is a true optical zoom and a slightly larger image sensor.
If Apple does release a point-and-shoot will they stop making the iPhone camera better? Why compete against yourself? I'm starting to believe that after Steve died people are pulling Tim's strings like a cheap puppet.
 
You want a f2.8 aperture? - There is an app for it!
You want a 1/320 secs exposure time? - There is an app for it!
You want ISO 800? - There is an app for it!

The new Apple iSmartCamera. Revolutionary.
 
My canon P has shutter speed and aperture control. That is all a camera needs to offer, preferably with hardware controls. Very simple. A digital camera only needs ISO control after that.
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Current circuitry takes control completely away from the photographer and buries it in menus and unnecessary features.

My current two cameras are a Canon G1x and Canon S9x (I have a G11 and an S90, but newer generations are out).

While having full auto mode for the P&S folks, there's also programmed mode, shutter priority, aperture priority and full manual.

The cameras are virtually identical from a spec point, but the much small S9x has some controls in menus that the G1x as controls (e.g. the G1x has a knob to control exposure from +2 to -2, that's a menu on the pocketable S9x).

These cameras do not "take control completely away from the photographer" - instead they let the photographer concentrate on the art. (For example, if you want to use wide apertures for depth-of-field effects, select "aperture priority" and work on the image. The camera will adjust shutter and ISO as needed (as long as ISO is on "auto" - otherwise it may warn you).)


Aye, there is the rub. The pros know that the videocam is going to replace the pro-camera for all but very specialized settings. In short FPS, not focus control is the way to go.

Most of the articles that I've seen say that the DSLR will replace the videocam. With many DSLRs able to do 1080p video, why have two cameras when the DSLR can take better video than the videocam?


They should concentrate on solving their own flaws instead of what they perceive as everyone else's.

Why start now?
 
Apple will probably invent a DSLR with a home button as it's only control.

But it will have a fingerprint reader under the home button, so that triple-clicking with your right index finger will do something completely different than triple clicking with your left ring finger.

It will also come with a three ring binder so that you can look up the right gestures to say "subject is strongly backlit - add +2 to the exposure".
 
Did i?

Yes I did.

I sent a letter this year to Cook, about how they can change the photography industry. No matter how it is, how great your resolution, how sharp it is, how arty it is, if it is not printed, it is not a photographs.

The experience of handling a photographs on your own hand is totally different. So, instead coming out with another digital camera, what if it can print it too. Just converge the technology of fuji instax and that 40mp nokia phone thingy.

You definitely having a new market there.
 
I completely disagree. What if they had left the phone business to companies like Motorola and Nokia?

Oh wait, but Nikon and Cannon already make amazing cameras, I never thought a phone was particularly cool (at all ever) until the iPhone.

At the moment it's sort of like Apple trying to beat out Ferrari in sports cars starting from practically zero.

People love Cannon and Nikon, they aren't going to be jumping to switch to an apple system. Especially since they have hundreds-thousands invested in lenses.

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Yes I did.

I sent a letter this year to Cook, about how they can change the photography industry. No matter how it is, how great your resolution, how sharp it is, how arty it is, if it is not printed, it is not a photographs.

The experience of handling a photographs on your own hand is totally different. So, instead coming out with another digital camera, what if it can print it too. Just converge the technology of fuji instax and that 40mp nokia phone thingy.

You definitely having a new market there.

You mean the kind of pictures which get shoved into albums and never looked at again?
 
Why wouldn't it be for pros?

This is a perfect fit for people that travel and might not take their phone with them; especially when they travel abroad. Also imagine all the effort they put into putting an awesome camera in the 4S being put into a stand alone camera. It would most likely be amazing.

They could even use the iPhone 4/4S design and take out all the phone components to make their iCapture, or whatever.
 
Oh wait, but Nikon and Cannon already make amazing cameras, I never thought a phone was particularly cool (at all ever) until the iPhone.

At the moment it's sort of like Apple trying to beat out Ferrari in sports cars starting from practically zero.

People love Cannon and Nikon, they aren't going to be jumping to switch to an apple system. Especially since they have hundreds-thousands invested in lenses.

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You mean the kind of pictures which get shoved into albums and never looked at again?

well,im from malaysia, during the festive season the best thing that we share is old photographs. the experience of sharing it cant never be replicate.

even if your photographs is on the ipad, there is a chance you shove it in one of the folders too. so its the same.

and i do frame my photos if it is worth, it hangs proudly on the wall.

*the camera can store the digital image on the cloud and the extra feature is printing
 
1st a TV, now a Camera?

What next iWash and iDry kitchen appliances ?

iFlush :D

iWash, iDry, and iFlush. Now with iCloud.

the iWash changes the way you wash clothes. Now, you can do it while looking beautiful.

The iWash is beautiful on the inside and out, and with iCloud, you never miss a wash again.

With iDry, you can now use the new A5X-powered dryer system for precision heat drying, with only have the energy comsumption.

With the iFlush, your personal business has never gone smoother, and now with Siri, you can use natural voice commands on your iFlush without having to use your hands, making for quick stop and go business to make use of your time.

And with iCloud, all of your iDevices are synced. Wash a shirt with the iWash, and it's pushed to the iDry to dry it off. Take care of business on the iFlush, and the analyzed content document will be sent to your iPad. Take a picture on your iPhone, and browse it on your iFlush while pooping. Your devices have never been in more harmony.
 
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