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Apple Working on Under-Display Touch ID, Could Debut in First All-Screen iPhone
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They'll patent the **** out of it, what prior art?
Which they'd make their minds up on Face ID or Touch ID.
Although I agree that the ideal would be a combination of face ID and touch ID I'll take just touch ID any day over face ID.
Under screen Touch ID would be cool. As long as they keep Face ID too. I like Face ID better overall.
Apple is continuing to research under-screen fingerprint sensor technology for an iPhone with a view to re-introducing Touch ID in its first full-screen model, according to a new rumor.
Ever since Face ID debuted in 2017's iPhone X, Apple's roadmap for Touch ID on iPhones has been murky at best, with some industry observers suggesting that Apple considers Face ID an exclusive all-in-one biometric solution going forward.
It's no secret that Apple has been working on a Touch ID system designed to be set under the display since at least 2013, with several patents awarded to the company over the years. However, despite claims that under-screen Touch ID on a future iPhone is unlikely, Apple has, if anything, intensified its research in under-screen fingerprint sensing technology.
Just this week, Apple was granted a patent relating to under-screen Touch ID that combines shortwave infrared technology with an optical imagining system that could have multiple functions. Not only does the latest embodiment aim to read the user's fingerprint when it touches the display, it could also determine vein pattern, blood oxygenation, pulse, and the presence of gloves and wetness.
Despite this, recent predictions as to when under-screen Touch ID might be introduced, if at all, have been pushed back. In a September 2021 research note, Kuo had predicted that Apple would launch at least one new iPhone model with an under-screen fingerprint scanner in the second half of 2023. But seven months later, Kuo said Apple was unlikely to release any iPhone models with under-screen Touch ID in 2023 or 2024.
Apple did test an under-screen fingerprint scanner for at least some iPhone 13 models, according to trusted reports, but Apple apparently decided not to move forward with the idea.
In the latest development, according to news aggregator account "yeux1122" on the Korean Naver blog, industry sources now believe that Apple will debut under-screen Touch ID in the two to three years following the debut of under-panel Face ID.
Judging by the pace of development of under-panel technology as outlined in industry consultant Ross Young's roadmap, this suggests we could see a new under-screen version of Touch ID in a 2026 iPhone at the earliest, possibly in the same year that Apple is expected to move both Face ID and the front-facing camera under the display.
Of course, we cannot be certain that Apple will ever put Touch ID under iPhone screens. There also remains a possibility that Apple instead introduces an iPhone with Touch ID built into the power button, in line with the latest iPad Air and iPad mini models, but there haven't been any rumors to suggest that Apple plans to go down that avenue.
Article Link: Apple Working on Under-Display Touch ID, Could Debut in First All-Screen iPhone
That's ridiculous. Everytime I see videos like that I laugh. How are you going to get someone to sit for 3d mapping of their face so the printer can make the mask? The cost and time to make that mask just to get into one device is not worth the effort.. It would be easier and more effective to put a gun to your head and tell you to unlock your phone FaceID/TouchID/passcode or they'll turn your head inside out..
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That’ll be fun when someone bumps you at the airport or some other public place when you’re in a hurry.
I like how you say it like this is something that’s only new “now”.
Logic/GarageBand, iTunes, even the original iPod software were all from different companies that were not Apple.
That’s kind of what a big company like Apple’s job is to do, they don’t do much inventing of technology, but they take the best technology that’s available right now and mash it together into the most user-friendly, mass producible version of itself.
If the iPod were just a Toshiba hard drive and some no-names software that connected with soundjam MP, it would’ve probably been a total and complete flop.
Remember, Apple Music also just started off as beats music then was mashed. with the existing iTunes to make Apple Music.
The first iPhone was basically a massive sandwich of technology from companies Apple had spent the previous decade purchasing.
Actually, from what everyone has said, what Steve was more afraid of was Tim becoming another Steve.
Remember, Steve hand-picked him, and then told him privately to *never* ask “what would Steve do”.
So do I. But I'd rather have the screen space. I know some phones have the fingerprint reader on the back. Apple could integrate one into the logo.
That was my whole idea but somehow I wrote the short one.
Well said. This type of things make Apple Apple. And you know what, I like it this way.
I could the next SE get this so Apple can save those FaceID expenses and underline product segmentation between SE, mid-tier and Pro.
So that we never see Face ID in anything less than a mid-tier iPhone?
I think under-display Touch ID being an SE-only feature sounds more plausible as having both Face ID and Touch ID on the same device seems quite redundant.
This way the SE can go full-screen like mid-tier and Pro, but without the "high-end" convenience of Dynamic Island or under-display Face ID.
So that we never see Face ID in anything less than a mid-tier iPhone?
I think under-display Touch ID being an SE-only feature sounds more plausible as having both Face ID and Touch ID on the same device seems quite redundant.
This way the SE can go full-screen like mid-tier and Pro, but without the "high-end" convenience of Dynamic Island or under-display Face ID.
I very much want this feature. Thank you for working on this, Apple! The other feature that would be great is icon and screen customization without doing complicated shortcuts and paying for unscrupulous theming apps.
When we get into one of those Last of Us pandemics, and people start sprouting mushrooms on their heads, FaceID will fail. We need in-screen TouchID.
As I recall the whole thing was ”Don’t ask what I would do, just do the right thing” which is actually not terribly helpful.
He also specifically said that ”Tim’s not a product guy” which is the quote I was referring to.
I don’t remember anyone being afraid he’d become another Steve. There are very few people like that to begin with.
Unless it incorporates other biometrics, not sure why Apple are wasting their time with this, there are absolutely no upsides to Touch ID against Face ID now that they've solved the mask issue
Apple is continuing to research under-screen fingerprint sensor technology for an iPhone with a view to re-introducing Touch ID in its first full-screen model, according to a new rumor.
Ever since Face ID debuted in 2017's iPhone X, Apple's roadmap for Touch ID on iPhones has been murky at best, with some industry observers suggesting that Apple considers Face ID an exclusive all-in-one biometric solution going forward.
It's no secret that Apple has been working on a Touch ID system designed to be set under the display since at least 2013, with several patents awarded to the company over the years. However, despite claims that under-screen Touch ID on a future iPhone is unlikely, Apple has, if anything, intensified its research in under-screen fingerprint sensing technology.
Just this week, Apple was granted a patent relating to under-screen Touch ID that combines shortwave infrared technology with an optical imagining system that could have multiple functions. Not only does the latest embodiment aim to read the user's fingerprint when it touches the display, it could also determine vein pattern, blood oxygenation, pulse, and the presence of gloves and wetness.
Despite this, recent predictions as to when under-screen Touch ID might be introduced, if at all, have been pushed back. In a September 2021 research note, Kuo had predicted that Apple would launch at least one new iPhone model with an under-screen fingerprint scanner in the second half of 2023. But seven months later, Kuo said Apple was unlikely to release any iPhone models with under-screen Touch ID in 2023 or 2024.
Apple did test an under-screen fingerprint scanner for at least some iPhone 13 models, according to trusted reports, but Apple apparently decided not to move forward with the idea.
In the latest development, according to news aggregator account "yeux1122" on the Korean Naver blog, industry sources now believe that Apple will debut under-screen Touch ID in the two to three years following the debut of under-panel Face ID.
Judging by the pace of development of under-panel technology as outlined in industry consultant Ross Young's roadmap, this suggests we could see a new under-screen version of Touch ID in a 2026 iPhone at the earliest, possibly in the same year that Apple is expected to move both Face ID and the front-facing camera under the display.
Of course, we cannot be certain that Apple will ever put Touch ID under iPhone screens. There also remains a possibility that Apple instead introduces an iPhone with Touch ID built into the power button, in line with the latest iPad Air and iPad mini models, but there haven't been any rumors to suggest that Apple plans to go down that avenue.
Article Link: Apple Working on Under-Display Touch ID, Could Debut in First All-Screen iPhone
The blood oxygen scanner is kind of neat. But couldn't they just add a fingerprint scanner in the power button like on ipad until they're ready to debut they're "breakthrough" scanner that's "a billion times better" than Samsung's under display scanner that's been around for years?
Face ID is alright but having to hold the iPhone at a specific angle to unlock it all the time is annoying. I missing being able to just leave it on the table and rest my finger on touch id. I don't see how face id was an improvement.
Face ID is alright but having to hold the iPhone at a specific angle to unlock it all the time is annoying. I missing being able to just leave it on the table and rest my finger on touch id. I don't see how face id was an improvement.
except what is he done wrong?
Steve thought Tim was the guy who could keep Apple profitable and successful and pumping out products… And that’s exactly what he’s been doing, very successfully.
That was Tims job, Tim job was to make sure that Apple wasn’t back in 1997 a decade after Steve died.
And here we are, trillions of dollars later.
no, funny guy... We all want Face ID and Touch ID under Display at the same time
I do. What's wrong with it?
Optical under display scanners are... "so so" at best. I'm comparing Samsung one (optical under display) with OnePlus 3 / latest iPhone SE (both capacitive button). It's just so much better with button gits more effective, less error prone and way faster. what's more, it doest require lighting screen way up to properly light the finger to read the fingerprint (a bit annoying during the night with lights out)...stupid question but why is it taking Apple so long to implement this? I have it on my 300 EUR device from work and it is working great. It actually feels strangely satisfying to see the unlock animation on the screen
as for face id - you have to look at the phone to unlock. for a situations where the phone lies flat on the desk and you want to simply glance on something on it having fingerprint reader is just more convenient.
Yes especially when you don't check, how much you're paying on the terminal, before you pay 🤣
We should all lobby Apple, because the Face ID is too fast now, to bring it more inline with Touch ID 🤣