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Tough choice! But I say both. Apple can make it happen.

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I think Apple likes to have backup plans, that’s why we keep hearing about both under display TouchID and under display FaceID..

Under display TouchID would also be handy for cheap devices (iPhone SE, basic iPad, iPad Mini, iPad Air) and for possible novel form factors that are a bad fit for FaceID..
Underscreen TouchID being perfect for an Apple Watch biometric auth implementation is what I've been thinking about every time this comes up
 
Apple Pay was far superior in the Touch ID past. Double tap the power button at just the right speed and then hold up the phone to hope it registers, then lower the phone again to the reader. This looks foolish.
Yea and unlocking from your pocket was super easy too. What exactly activates the reader? Just Pressure?
 
I like how you say it like this is something that’s only new “now”.
Logic/GarageBand, iTunes, even the original iPod software were all from different companies that were not Apple.
That’s kind of what a big company like Apple’s job is to do, they don’t do much inventing of technology, but they take the best technology that’s available right now and mash it together into the most user-friendly, mass producible version of itself.
If the iPod were just a Toshiba hard drive and some no-names software that connected with soundjam MP, it would’ve probably been a total and complete flop.
Remember, Apple Music also just started off as beats music then was mashed. with the existing iTunes to make Apple Music.
The first iPhone was basically a massive sandwich of technology from companies Apple had spent the previous decade purchasing.
Bro, Jobs innovated. What are you saying here? And if thats the case, why was Apple ahead of the game under Jobs and now behind the curve by 5 years compared to their competition?
 
no, funny guy... We all want Face ID and Touch ID under Display at the same time
Fine. You figure out the engineering of it and sell it to Apple. Until then, we'll have to wait for Apple to do the work.

I want one of those holographic things like in Star Wars. ;)
 
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So, a more complicated, even less reliable version of TouchID? Sign me up :rolleyes:

TouchID is s**t. FaceID is the only way.

In general I think TouchID on my iP8 was more reliable than FaceID is on my iP13 mini, and it's *definitely* more reliable on any of my laptops and on my iPad Air than FaceID is on my phone.
 


Third, quite often you have to enter your pin code even if face-id is active.
When you restart you phone I totally get it, but a couple times a day?
Is it for security? Probably.
In that case Apples face-id isn’t so secure.

Now my rant is over😅
What are the circumstances where you need to enter your passcode a couple of times a day? The only times I see that are on restart or after a couple of weeks without restart or on the rare case when FaceID failed because it can’t see my face (usually when I’m wearing both a mask and hat).
 
This is why people laugh at Apple because Android been had this under the screen and it's taking Apple 10 years to add it back. smh. I hate Face ID. I would love touch ID back in an instant.
The versions of this on Android phones make some serious compromises, depending on the version in display, security, or both, compared to how Apple's TouchID implementations work, Apple seems to be avoiding placing it under a display until they can avoid many if any real compromises.

What bugs me if they never put it in the power button on the phones, it's not like they can't, it works great on iPads there
 
"All screen" in Apple language is meaningless. Apple considers the "new" 10.9" base iPad to be an "All-Screen Design" despite its bezels being so large that they can fully encompass the front-facing camera.
 
The versions of this on Android phones make some serious compromises, depending on the version in display, security, or both, compared to how Apple's TouchID implementations work, Apple seems to be avoiding placing it under a display until they can avoid many if any real compromises.

What bugs me if they never put it in the power button on the phones, it's not like they can't, it works great on iPads there
What 'serious compromises' are inherent to in-display fingerprint readers? I know that some optical readers can potentially be fooled by an impression of a fingerprint, but its hardly also true that Apple's TouchID is the only secure fingerprint authentication method without compromises. I believe since the S10, Samsung has been using ultrasonic-type fingerprint readers which are secure, fast, and work with a variety of screen protectors.
 
What 'serious compromises' are inherent to in-display fingerprint readers? I know that some optical readers can potentially be fooled by an impression of a fingerprint, but its hardly also true that Apple's TouchID is the only secure fingerprint authentication method without compromises. I believe since the S10, Samsung has been using ultrasonic-type fingerprint readers which are secure, fast, and work with a variety of screen protectors.
For one thing the ultrasonic readers currently out still have some serious problems with screen protectors, particularly annoying if any dirt or water infiltrates on the edges and creates a bit of a shift in a screen protector already in place.
 
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The versions of this on Android phones make some serious compromises, depending on the version in display, security, or both, compared to how Apple's TouchID implementations work, Apple seems to be avoiding placing it under a display until they can avoid many if any real compromises.

What bugs me if they never put it in the power button on the phones, it's not like they can't, it works great on iPads there
And Touch on Power works great on my Z Flip 4. The button is right where you would put your finger when picking up the phone. Now Face still stinks like it always has :D But that's a moot point since all you have to do it pick up the phone and touch power. The screen doesn't even need to be lit up.
 
For one thing the ultrasonic readers currently out still have some serious problems with screen protectors, particularly annoying if any dirt or water infiltrates on the edges and creates a bit of a shift in a screen protector already in place.
I'm not really sure what you mean, and I've been using phones with ultrasonic readers every day for several years, AND have used a variety of screen protectors on those devices (everything from tempered glass, PET, and TPU plastic film style, both matte and clear). I HAVE seen some bad screen protectors that either just look bad or can interfere, but this has not in any way limited my choice in the style of screen protector that I wanted (I just avoided those specific manufacturers and chose an alternate), I have been able to use the kind of screen protector I want on my device without any issues/compromises.

Certainly, I found during the pandemic using FaceID was MORE problematic than using any in-screen fingerprint reader. Combine that with the fact that on an iPhone X, I was able to unlock my non-identical brother's phone just by wearing his glasses, makes me think that the big notch/pill solution that Apple has used is at least as much a compromise as any other solution on phones today.
 
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