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You have a choice. Android. I specifically chose iPhone because its locked down. Android is actually far superior to iOS in dozens of ways.
How about those that want an Iphone and an open platform? What are their options?
 
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Huh, it's a nothingburger.

What exactly is stopping Apple from dragging their feet until 2024?
Probably the risk that they can be fined 20% of their annual global revenue. Or based on their most recent earnings, 80 billion dollars.

My guess is they wont want to drag their feet or otherwise convey noncompliance, regardless of what their iSheep demand of them.
 
great, why humans gotta over complicate everything. Now when helping non tech savy people we'll have to preface all the steps with which app store are you in? okay and is that app store up to date? you can check by going to it's settings. the settings are on the last tab on the bottom of your phone. yes, then tap version, and tap refresh. ah okay, so update that first then we'll continue.
 
ROTFLMAO.... how about the Altair, TRS-80. Yes they too are US Machines , but your post clearly shows your ignorance of history.

We could talk about
Trains, UK
All the cotton mills etc that the USA stole for their cotton industry
The Russians put the first satellite into space.
The USA has been using Russian rocket engines to get into space.
Large Hadron Collider

etc etc etc

Trust me, the USA is NOT the inventor of everything and certainly not the leader in everything.
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We could talk about
Trains, UK" .............Japan is a better answer
IBM made more useable personal...business machines TRS-80 was mainly a toy compare
 
Wish Countries and people would just leave Apple alone. This is a really bad move and Apple should keep it stance And ecosystem the way it is. Majority of users could care less about this and are with Apple because of the strong, more secure ecosystem.

If some wants an Android or Android like system, then they have that choice to buy that platform. Or Windows same thing. That is why you have choice and if what Apple does was so unpopular - guess what? They would not be on of the top Countries in the world.
 
pages and keynote will obviously be on Apple's store. but what about when activision moves their candy crush + call of duty + diablo immortal mobile games to their own blizzard store? what about google moving pokemon go to play store on iOS? minecraft to microsoft store?

you don't just download a generic App Store versions of those apps.
It's a matter of trust. If MS moves Office, Candy Crush and Diablo to their own store we can all choose whether to trust that store and its update mechanism or not. If you don't, don't use it.

But most devs aren't going to want to run their own store either. They'll use the App Store or another large marketplace because it's too much of a PITA and too expensive to run your own.

It also behooves devs to be on the default marketplace as well. Look at the Kindle App. It is everywhere. Amazon has their own store that you can add on to android but they have it everywhere. Why? Because most people don't go outside the default.
 
If Apple really had guts, they would say screw you Europe and pull out of Europe. Now that would be funny.

There would probably be more people in Europe then that would want an iPhone, Mac, iPad, etc, than ever before, because now they could not buy one. This would force their governments to just shut up. 🤣
 
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That’s a best case scenario.

Now think of a country like Russia. It says ‘**** your security requirements Apple. We want complete sideload and we want our government apps on every citizen’s phone’

Then another country copies the Russian example, and another, and another. Then we end up with half the world’s iPhones under surveillance.

So your hopium about secure freedom of sideloading fails. An autocrat regime will simply take all phone data and organised crime will feed on it too.
Lol have you ever heard of the slippery slope logical fallacy?

No? Apparently not.

And if you don't think you're being surveilled already even on iOS and MacOS BOY do I have a nice bridge to sell you.
 
Man, I love when these changes happen. It is joy watching all these people eat crow that said it would never happen. Same with the eventual switch to USB-C. 🤣
 
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Europe ends up being a guinea pig for the rest of the world. Apple have been arguing security and user safety as the predominant reason they don't allow this. To protect users from themselves.

If it all goes smoothly, and the user experience is net positive then that argument will collapse like a house of cards.

If i were apple, i'd start paying some bad actors to start flooding the market with malware ridden apps just to make sure the europeans don't have such a smooth time 😂
 
If Apple really had guts, they would say screw you Europe and pull out of Europe. Now that would be funny.

There would probably be more people in Europe then that would want an iPhone, Mac, iPad, etc, than ever before, because now they could not buy one. This would force their governments to just shut up. 🤣
Last I heard, 35 states in the US are backing legislation to force the same in the US, so it’s not that simple.

And this is all Apple’s fault. There are two main reasons why this has become an issue.

First, most see Apple taking a 15-30% cut as ridiculous. And second, their draconian app approval process makes Apple look like the morality police.

If they had just cut back on their ridiculous fees, and didn’t try to control what people do and see on their phones, this never would have come up. And they’ve had plenty of warning; this has been brewing for years.
 
I’ve wanted a real terminal emulator on my iPhone and iPad for years, so I’d say it’s about time!
 
Do you realize how silly this sounds? You think Android is superior, but you wanted an inferior locked-down iPhone, because… because you simply can’t stop yourself from Willy nilly installing random software? 🤔
Apple has been playing catch up on A LOT....A LOT of Android features. Notifications, customizable home screen, widgets 120hz display etc took way too long to get to iPhone. Messaging is a joke compared to what is on Android. Some Android phones have better cameras. USB-C has been around on Android for a long time already. Etc etc etc. Yes, I NEED my phone as secure as possible, so I sacrifice those things for a more secure platform.
 
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Apple has been playing catch up on A LOT....A LOT of Android features. Notifications, customizable home screen, widgets etc. Yes, I NEED my phone as secure as possible, so I sacrifice those things for a more secure platform.
Now you’re really out in left field. Android is not less secure because they make sideloading possible. You’re missing part of the equation. Just because sideloading is possible does not mean you have to enable it or take advantage of it, unless, again, you simply can’t stop yourself from installing apps, in which case you’ve got a much bigger problem.

And if you’re that freaked out about sideloading, you should also delete all web browsers and email apps to prevent yourself from getting phished. Come to think of it, the safest thing to do is just leave your phone in airplane mode 24/7 or just get a flip-phone.
 
is it possible or even feasible to offer two phone options? one with an iOS version that offers side loading etc and a "secure" iOS version that doesn't? I'd buy the latter every time, tyvm. and pay extra for the privilege.
 
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Now you’re really out in left field. Android is not less secure because they make sideloading possible. You’re missing part of the equation. Just because sideloading is possible does not mean you have to enable it or take advantage of it, unless, again, you simply can’t stop yourself from installing apps, in which case you’ve got a much bigger problem.

And if you’re that freaked out about sideloading, you should also delete all web browsers and email apps to prevent yourself from getting phished. Come to think of it, the safest thing to do is just leave your phone in airplane mode 24/7 or just get a flip-phone.
Android is less secure. As mentioned earlier it has a lot of piracy involved. When Fortnite was removed from the Play Store a few years ago, there were a lot of malicious Fortnite apps causing infections on Android devices.

An open system is inherently less secure than a closed system. Its in the definition. If I can install any app from somescamwebsite.com on Android but I CANNOT do it from iOS, that shows iOS is more secure. But if side-loading is implemented, now both are at risk.

The ONLY advantage of iPhones will be lost if this happens. My entire family agrees with this. Why the heck would you spend $1,000 for an iPhone when $500 Android phones are just as good if not better in some regards? My family and friends pay more for the locked down environment.
 
How about those that want an Iphone and an open platform? What are their options?
That is the point. Today, there are two business models: Open (Android) and closed (iOS). Choose teh device / OS / model that suits your purpose.

Or to put your comment the other way, "How about those that want iOS and a closed platform? What are their options?" Forcing Apple to open iOS to sideloading eliminates the entire closed model. There will be no functional difference between iOS and Android.

People who want to side load but are not happy with Android? Too bad. Reducing the entire mobile device marketspace to one model removes choice from everyone. There are ways to deal with the financials of the App Store without collapsing the two business models into one. There are possibly ways for Apple to open up the current mechanism of loading non-App Store apps (via a developer account) to make it a but easier, but still maintain the application sandboxing and system/app separation. That could be a fair compromise - keep the two business models to Open (Android) and Closed-Mostly-Except-User-Sandbox (iOS future).
 
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is it possible or even feasible to offer two phone options? one with an iOS version that offers side loading etc and a "secure" iOS version that doesn't? I'd buy the latter every time, tyvm. and pay extra for the privilege.
Really? What are you willing to pay for that security? I have an old Motorola flip-phone that doesn’t have the ability to install apps at all. It’s extremely secure. $1,000,000 and it’s yours.
 
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