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I'd LOVE to use iCloud if ... 1. I could use my spinning disk for the storage location of files for iCloud on Mac. 2. Could easily share links to folders/files to anyone. 3. The thousands of photos I take a month (hobbyist) didn't ALL have to be both on my iPhone and my Mac if I used iCloud Photo. 4. Selective Sync folders to my Macbook Air (128gb).

Always thought those data centers were iMessage servers... Doesn't bother me that Apple is using Google Cloud Servers... I just wish Apple would add more features.
 
I never liked the idea of "the cloud" anyway. Just a lot of hype as it boils down to your stuff on someone else's hard drive. I had assumed they at least used Apple's OWN hard drives. Wrong!!! Amazon, MS, and Google!!! :eek: GOOGLE???!!! :eek::eek:
 
I never liked the idea of "the cloud" anyway. Just a lot of hype as it boils down to your stuff on someone else's hard drive. I assumed they used Apple's OWN hard drives. Wrong!!! Amazon, MS, and Google!!! :eek: GOOGLE!!! :eek::eek:

Amazon and Google's core business is server based, it's not surprising they'd have an expertise there.
MS expertise comes from its long experience with serving business clients.
Apple's core business was selling hardware with Itunes being a side business, so initially it made sense to contract out the cloud. But, with those added services gaining importance and the huge number of phones Apple must now serve, sending this business to a competitor doesn't make much sense long term.

That's why I think they'll everything in house within 3-4 years.
 
I wish Apple would make cloud syncing more intelligent.

For example, let's say I'm at home on my WiFi, and I take a 150MB video with my iPhone.

As soon as I finish taking the video, the phone will upload the video via WiFi to iCloud.

Then my Mac and iPad will each download the video from iCloud. Total usage: 450MB for a 150MB video.

Instead, the iPhone should upload the video to iCloud, and the Mac and iPad should transfer the video directly from the phone using the local network. All three devices will now have the video, and the total usage is just the 150MB upload.

This shouldn't be too hard to implement. Every asset has a unique global identifier associated with it, and it would be trivial for the devices to stay in touch with each other on the local network so one can ask around "Does anyone have this asset locally before I download it from the Internet?"

Actually, this cloudy stuff is kinda hard to implement, which is why they're currently using AWS/Azure. The assets that you mention can be updated at any time by any device, which would involve at least an element of time synchronisation.

I've had dealings interfacing to AWS and Azure storage programmatically myself (mainly Azure), and it's pretty awesome technology. When you write an image to Azure, for example, it will almost certainly be put into BLOB storage. When this happens, three copies of the image will be created automatically behind the scenes in a data centre at a particular location. Because Apple are cautious, they will have gone for Azure's geo-replication feature, which means that your image will also be sent to an additional data centre in a different country in case there's a major disaster somewhere. Again, three copies of your image will be stored in the alternate data centre. So, the single photo you took with your phone will be stored at least six times in a couple of different countries. And, since Apple are super-cautious, it's quite likely that they're doing this in parallel with writes to AWS so their eggs aren't all in one basket, i.e. your original photo may exist a dozen times in various parts of the globe. And that's before you start thinking about content delivery and caching networks.

This stuff isn't easy to build. It will be quite a challenge to implement all that functionality yourself, playing catch up with the big boys who've been doing it for years.
 
Given Apple's history with implementing online services (eWorld, .mac, MobileMe...), I'm sure they will screw this transition up royally as well. The good news is it will give Tim Cook an excuse to fire some people who sorely need to go.
 
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Selling ads. What do you think they do? Besides Apple is sitting on a horde much larger than Google, both in revenue and profit. Between customers and Apple, which could withstand the 3.3 cents per day better?

I've never understood how certain customers rationalize giving a company not only more of their money but try to convince others it's a good idea. To each his own.

I've never understood how folk can pay top whack for Apple kit and then complain about handing over pocket change for 200GB of data.
 
Thanks Apple but no thanks... I put trust in security by only one person... *me*
Good that they are doing cloud themselves... all i care about if they get Apple music sorted.
 
This is awesome. I was just talking about how Apple should build their own cloud servers yesterday! They must have been listening to me!:eek:;)
 
So what was that whole thing in north carolina for??? Didnt they build their cloud infrastructure there?

The basic. You can't build global cloud coverage into one single geographical location. It wouldn't be robust and service offered would be horrible due to crazy ping and slow transfer rates. Therefore, you need world wide coverage. With world wide server grid coverage you can nuke North Carolina server farm and the end users wouldn't most likely even notice it.
 
I though Apple already had its own cloud storage infrastructure. I thought that's what those facilities in middle of nowhere - the first in the US south east a few years ago, another near Reno, others (maybe one in Ireland (?)) - were for. What do I (obviously) miss, or misunderstand? Then, read yesterday Apple are moving away from Amazon toward Google to provide this. Now this article

Yes, I will admit, I thought the same as you.

We Had iCloud and then around the same time all the stories and photo's of these brand new GIANT data centers that were build/being built and I thought that was what Apple used.

Until now I had no idea they could not do it, and were renting space from the likes of Amazon, Google etc to use their hardware in their data centers.

I'm totally surprised by this story.
 
I'm truly surprised that this biggest provider of paid for/ streaming music across the Internet is only now thinking of building its own content delivery system.

I can only imagine that it has taken so long to count the revenue that it hasn't had a chance to think about how to spend it wisely.
 
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Please don't! Apple is not a network company!

It worked so well with the services bought from Microsoft and Google! (And even then Apple managed to ****up things...)
 
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Or 5G
Apple, can you please raise the 5GB limit for iCloud to at least 10GB? Thanks!
Or 5GB per connected device on your AppleID. Got an iPhone, thats 5GB free iCloud. Got an iPad as well, that gives you 10GB. If you have a Mac and an Apple Watch too your entitlement is 20GB free :)
 



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Apple is working on building its own cloud infrastructure to reduce its dependence on services like Amazon Web Services, Microsoft Azure, and Google Cloud Platform, according to information shared by Re/code and VentureBeat. A project called "McQueen" is underway at Apple, with a team of employees working to create an in-house cloud storage system.According to VentureBeat, Apple is unhappy with AWS's inability to quickly load photos and videos onto iOS devices, something its own cloud system could fix. Apple executives reportedly believe that creating a full cloud infrastructure could pay for itself within three years. Estimates suggest Apple spends upwards of $1 billion on cloud services each year.Apple is already investing significant money into building new data centers around the world and is said to be planning for data centers in China and Hong Kong. Data centers are in the works in Ireland, Denmark, Reno, and Arizona, plus Apple is expanding its existing data center in Prineville, Oregon. Apple's Arizona data center, located in the former GT Advanced sapphire plant, is positioned as a "command center" for Apple's global data network. Apple has described the Arizona location is "one of the largest investments" the company has made.

While Apple carries out plans to build its own cloud computing service, it will continue to rely on Amazon Web Services (AWS), Microsoft Azure, and Google Cloud Platform. Apple has long used AWS and Microsoft Azure, while Google Cloud Platform is a new partner that inked a deal with Apple late last year.

VentureBeat cautions Apple's plan to create its own cloud infrastructure is still in the early stages, while Re/code says it is not clear if and when the project could materialize. Apple could abandon the plan and stick with its current providers or instead acquire a cloud infrastructure product in the future.

Article Link: Apple Working to Create its Own Cloud Storage Infrastructure

What the ! does Steve McQueen have to do with any of this ?
And why store data in the cloud at all ? My stuff is all on hard drives and discs in my house separate, isolated and totally under my control nowhere near Cook, Ive or any other particle of the Axis of Bue Shirts.
 
What the ! does Steve McQueen have to do with any of this ?
And why store data in the cloud at all ? My stuff is all on hard drives and discs in my house separate, isolated and totally under my control nowhere near Cook, Ive or any other particle of the Axis of Bue Shirts.

Can I put my stuff on your hard drives and discs in your house too?
 
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According to VentureBeat, Apple is unhappy with AWS's inability to quickly load photos and videos onto iOS devices, something its own cloud system could fix.

This is a real problem for me. I pay 10$ a month for iCloud Photo Library yet I can barely stream video. It buffers and stutters like crazy. Can't wait for this to be resolved.
 
Selling ads. What do you think they do? Besides Apple is sitting on a horde much larger than Google, both in revenue and profit. Between customers and Apple, which could withstand the 3.3 cents per day better?

I've never understood how certain customers rationalize giving a company not only more of their money but try to convince others it's a good idea. To each his own.
By your logic, Apple should just give everything away for free because they will always be in a better financial position to do this than the majority of their customers.

News flash - Apple didn't become as profitable as they are today by being a charity. I want something, I pay for it. At least the relationship between Apple and myself is very clear-cut - that of buyer and seller. Apple takes my money and in return, I get what I paid for. No conflict of interest, no ambiguity, no caveats.
 
By your logic, Apple should just give everything away for free because they will always be in a better financial position to do this than the majority of their customers.

News flash - Apple didn't become as profitable as they are today by being a charity. I want something, I pay for it. At least the relationship between Apple and myself is very clear-cut - that of buyer and seller. Apple takes my money and in return, I get what I paid for. No conflict of interest, no ambiguity, no caveats.
Not at all. By my logic, the no brakes, 0-100mph hyperbole in your comment is silly. There's a world of difference between offering more cloud storage and giving away everything for free.
News flash - Again, hyperbole does you no favors. There's no implication of charity in my quote.
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It's not a rationalization. Some people believe it's reasonable to pay 3.3 cents a day for 20 TB of cloud storage, seeing that as a decent value.

If you believe companies should give you stuff for free, that's fine. As you say, to each his own.

However... Maybe a better job would help you swing that extra cost?
Good ol' ad hominem. The refuge of a weak argument.:p My job's immaterial. I don't use iCloud. Too many other options that offer better value. My stance is purely academic.
You are right that some people believe it's reasonable to price to pay for 20TB. I'm one of those people. Since I'm not binary, I'm also one of the people who believe that 5GB shared data is pretty chintzy for a company that has the massive profitability that Apple has. It looks especially chintzy when compared to their contemporaries.
 
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