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Imagine being in a plane with no cockpit. Yeah, so seriously not even willing to think about getting into something like that. It'll be a REALLY hard sell...
Arguably a plane would be easier - there's vastly fewer things to bump into, and there are strict rules for interactions that are arguably better enforced than for cars (where they stop a representative sample of speeding drivers, if they're not busy with more exciting things), and there's central control that's monitoring where the planes are at all times (well, we're talking commercial aircraft here) and letting them know if they deviate from where they should be - all of that seems more automate-able than cars on unmonitored and chaotic city streets.
 
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A pilot of a modern aircraft with a flight control computer is suggesting to the computer that they'd like to do this or that - the software decides whether it's safe or practical and then implements it. If the computer doesn't like it, computer says no.
Yes but control protections are more relevant to when the pilot is ‘hand flying’ not while in an autonomous autopilot mode. Plus the pilot can disengage most of the flight envelope protections if needed/warranted. And ultimately the computer will hand full control back to the pilot if there is a descrepency in incoming sensor data. Not the case with an autonomous vehicle with no human control inputs.
 
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Agree. No way apple is going to be so far ahead of everyone literally their first go around that I would trust them (or anyone currently) with no way to engage if something goes south. I mean look at how their maps rolled out at first.
AMEN!!! My wife was being rerouted into a lake when she was driving down the new highway that paralleled the older highway for like six months before they finally fixed it.
 
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There is no way on God’s green Earth that I am ever going to drive, much less own a car with no steering wheel and no pedals. Even Apple isn’t that good. Hard pass.

I'd say the opposite: There is no way that I am going to get into a "fully" self-driving car that still has a steering wheel and pedals, or anything else that could make me responsible for not intervening "in an emergency". If Apple is selling a system as "self driving" then they should have the confidence to be legally in charge of the vehicle at all times, and responsible for the consequences of any failure. I expect to be able to legally ride in it while drunk, texting, reading a book or not wearing my glasses. I don't expect to need a driving license and certainly not liability insurance... Or, more precisely, even if I am Mr Responsible, stay sober and attentive at all time, there will be an army of morons who treat self-driving as an opportunity to install a beer fridge and play VR Kandy Crush.

Even it suddenly stops and needs to be moved to a place of safety I don't want to be rudely awakened to find that my first bit of real driving since buying an autonomous car is to extricate it from the fast lane of a 12-lane highway starting from a dead stop because that's exactly when bad accidents happen. The software has to "fail safe" in that situation. I don't know what the US driving test is like, but here in the UK I'm pretty sure that anything resulting in the examiner having to take over control of the car would probably be a "fail" - and I don't want to be driven around by an entity that couldn't pass a driving test.

Full self-driving isn't ready until it is ready - and as well as a lot of fine tuning of the tech, that's probably going to take legal changes as well, and probably infrastructure improvements. I'm not holding my breath.

Thing is, people talk as if humans are "bad drivers". They're not - they're incredibly good drivers, especially when they obey the rules, stay sober etc. The problem is that it is a stupidly dangerous activity to expect people to do with minimal training, as an incidental part of their daily lives when they have 101 other things to worry about. We wouldn't let someone fly a plane with that negligible level of training and monitoring, yet pilots aren't continuously passing within inches of other planes travelling at speed in the other direction... If you want to make driving safer create driver assistance devices that monitor the driver on simple, objective things like speed, proximity, lane keeping (all things that exist - but lacking the crucial 1000 shock to the butt to stop drivers getting complacent and relying on the assistance... but seriously, research into unintended consequences is also essential) and provides a back-up against the driver making a mistake.

What you don't do is put in a FSD system which almost works until something unexpected happens and then expect the human to stay alert (while doing nothing) so that they can intervene at a second's notice - possibly when the self-drive has already dumped them in a sticky situation (...and then try to crowdsource the beta testing... *cough*esla*cough*)
 
Arguably a plane would be easier - there's vastly fewer things to bump into, and there are strict rules for interactions that are arguably better enforced than for cars (where they stop a representative sample of speeding drivers, if they're not busy with more exciting things), and there's central control that's monitoring where the planes are at all times (well, we're talking commercial aircraft here) and letting them know if they deviate from where they should be - all of that seems more automate-able than cars on unmonitored and chaotic city streets.

You are obviously not a pilot.
 
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Now THIS is interesting.
Canoo is a brand I have my eye on (even saying their pill-shaped vehicle reminded me what I would expect an Apple car to look like). Think what they are doing is one of the more interesting in the current EV space.

Anyway, as much as I’m for Apple’s take on the EV, this timeline and steering wheel-less path seems wild. And aggressive. I’m all for it. The auto industry is booooooring. This should be interesting…
 
AMEN!!! My wife was being rerouted into a lake when she was driving down the new highway that paralleled the older highway for like six months before they finally fixed it.
Lol, Siri loves to take me to a railroad overpass and say “your destination is on your right” when trying to get to Union Station in D.C. Last time I told my wife “I guess you’ll just have to wait for the train here and jump”….
 
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Lol, Siri loves to take me to a railroad overpass and say “your destination is on your right” when trying to get to Union Station in D.C. Last time I told my wife “I guess you’ll just have to wait for the train here and jump”….

Boston. Hideous...

Once, I was on the wrong end of a one-way street, several times trying to get to the hotel. I ended up just gunning it and racing into the parking garage, the wife screaming all the way. She steamed over that all the way through dinner, AT the hotel. :rolleyes::D:D:D:D:cool:

The GPS was all 'Turn left here', but I couldn't. 'Turn right here', but I couldn't... *sigh*
 
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Bloomberg, sorry. The only way this could work, many years down the road :) is if we embed systems in all the roads and all vehicles are connected to each other through this embedded " internet of the road".
Infrastructure week on steroids.
 
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Maybe they will put out the “Apple Car Pro” a few years later and add back the legacy steering wheel and pedals (and add a MagSafe charge port!) ;)
 
"lacks a steering wheel or pedals"

Passenger: Where am I?
Jony Cab: You're in a Jony cab.
Passenger: I mean, what am I doing here?
Jony Cab: I'm sorry. Would you please rephrase the question?
Passenger: How did I get in this taxi?
Jony Cab: The door opened. You got in. (rolls eyes)
 
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Cook is a fool. How many lawsuits and deaths will this thing be responsible for?
This isn't the Jetsons.
 
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