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If you have to be ready to take over in an emergency then you might as well be driving. If you’re not 100% ready then you’ll be no use if something goes wrong. So it seems to me there’s no point (from a user’s perspective) of semi-autonomous (there’s certainly a point from a developer’s perspective). Go full-autonomous or go home.
An emergency like a storm and the internet goes out. Not an emergency like oh wow we are about to get in a wreck.
 
I've driven in enough of America to know that the roads aren't ready for a car without the option for human intervention.
 
I hope we are missing something because from this rumour Apple look totally incompetent and out of their minds.
I got it! They forgot to mention, that it will be a car in METAVERSE! You will be able to fully ride it through new Apple VR headset :-D
 
There is no way on God’s green Earth that I am ever going to drive, much less own a car with no steering wheel and no pedals. Even Apple isn’t that good. Hard pass.

Apple isn’t going to expect you to buy a car. They’re building out mobility as a service. Regular folks won’t own this car, they’re going to use it.

Think about the average Apple product and the “Apple tax” added in. That works for a phone where most middle to upper class people are able to pay that Apple tax. For a car, it would be far too expensive at that scale. Apple is incapable of making anything inexpensive. It’s not in their DNA.

Either Apple is going to run their own service: “Hey Siri, get me a ride”, that would be a perk of owning an Apple device (selling iPhones, Watches and Glasses) or they’ll have to sell these to companies like Uber, Lyft and their future competitors.

In that case, a steering wheel not only doesn’t make sense, it gets in the way of generating revenue. Two inwards facing couches with no steering wheel in the way will allow more passengers per vehicle.

The justification for this multi billion dollar R&D program and building expensive cars would be in maintaining the competitive edge with Google who will absolutely be doing the same thing but for Android users. Apple simply cannot afford to sit this out.
 
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How and in what way does the rumored fully autonomous with no steering wheel or pedals Apple Car remind you of the Jetsons' flying car?

The Jetsons' car can fly. The rumored Apple Car can't.
The Jetson's car has a manual control for steering. The rumored Apple Car doesn't.
The rumored Apple Car would be fully autonomous. The Jetsons' car isn't.
There's glass? :-D
 
There will be no problem selling self driving cars to the millions of ppl who sit in traffic , doing bumper to bumper to work on the 405/101 and other mega crowded roads , ppl will be so happy to sit in their luxury car and do other things then crawl all morning long , I do agree that in some parts of the world it will be harder to integrate , but how can anyone argue against computers driving instead of avg joe is beyond me , so many needless deaths , getting even worse with ppl using their phones while driving , really dangerous.
 
If they approach building a car from a chip perspective first that make sense that M1 chip is running ****ing hot and screaming for cooling when they force it to control car on the road. For this I am not surprised :-D
 
The new Apple iCar riding only on Apple iStreets already in 2025. Off roading not possible for a safety of passengers. Any other companies cars wanting to use iStreets need to pay surcharge of 30% of their electricity spending per km.
 
Driving for me is a pleasure. My F-150 (Rex the Wonder Truck) is safe, comfortable, 400 HP and lots of torque, and hauls and pulls stuff regularly. Practical conveyance and fun to drive. I appreciate technology’s unstoppable evolution, but I’m not so privileged that I’d want the described car.
 
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'Controlled'. They have comparable accelerator, brakes, steering wheel. Taking all of that out of the cockpit, well, now that's just insane...
I agree. I meant ‘Controlled’ in that despite the pilots not using the stick/yoke/pedals during autonomous stages of flight, they are ultimately ‘controlling’ the aircraft vs a fully autonomous vehicle that is making all the control inputs.
 
There is no way on God’s green Earth that I am ever going to drive, much less own a car with no steering wheel and no pedals. Even Apple isn’t that good. Hard pass.
Agree. No way apple is going to be so far ahead of everyone literally their first go around that I would trust them (or anyone currently) with no way to engage if something goes south. I mean look at how their maps rolled out at first.
 
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After investing tens of thousands of engineer-years and hundreds of billions of dollars, humanity has finally figured out how to safely drive while drunk.
 
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And the most dangerous part of an autonomous car is the crappy code that some nut wrote ??
That can be checked and fixed, and will improve over time. Not so the Mk 1 Human Brain (unless you count a frontal lobotomy).
 
2025: Today Tim Cook announced that after last unsuccessful negotiation between him and Elon Musk on phone, Apple resigned for their attempt to buy Tesla. Bloomberg reports that Apple is now reconsidering Apple Car project to Apple Plane.

Elon Musk declined any talk with Tim Cook saying: "I have not any received call from Tim Cook today through my Starlink connection. Maybe my secretary took that. Btw, I send greetings from Mars. Riding Tesla Cybertruck Mars Edition is enormous fun ?"
 
An emergency like a storm and the internet goes out. Not an emergency like oh wow we are about to get in a wreck.
I’m pretty sure self-driving cars are controlled by local hardware and can function just fine without the internet.
 
I've driven in enough of America to know that the roads aren't ready for a car without the option for human intervention.
Hey, worlds largest economy! Perhaps you'd like to you know, do something about that? Wouldn't that be an idea, instead of relying on people to navigate around the potholes?
 
I agree. I meant ‘Controlled’ in that despite the pilots not using the stick/yoke/pedals during autonomous stages of flight, they are ultimately ‘controlling’ the aircraft vs a fully autonomous vehicle that is making all the control inputs.
A pilot of a modern aircraft with a flight control computer is suggesting to the computer that they'd like to do this or that - the software decides whether it's safe or practical and then implements it. If the computer doesn't like it, computer says no.
 
OK then, I will hardly call the software to do the so-simple-drunk-teenagers-can-do-it (driving a car) a brain either. It's just some hardware and some software, monitoring sensors, possibly looking through "eyes" that can see what human eyes cannot (infrared, long distance), listening with "ears" to hear things that human ears cannot, reacting faster than human reflexes can and reacting with logic identified as best option vs. what any given human may do.

There are DAILY accidents with human drivers that have nothing to do the hardware or software built into what they are driving- just dumb decisions made by humans or humans trying to react best they can in a situation they've never encountered before and not making the best decision for that situation.

I simply have more optimism about this possibility than many seem to have in this thread. I don't view driving as that complicated. Complete idiots can successfully do it every day... under the influence of who knows what... in great emotional turmoil... completely exhausted on too little sleep... etc. I bet some great software & hardware can do the job of chauffeur better than a human... maybe not in 2025... but I think it's only a matter of time. Why? There's a lot of money in it.

Okay...

There are DAILY accidents with human drivers that have nothing to do the hardware or software built into what they are driving- just dumb decisions made by humans

And pilots depend on their 'autopilots', and create nice craters, and smears...

But there are, I feel, people out there playing their 'Monte Carlo Simulations', and predicting numerous accidents, but each car probably has 1.7% of humans, and they sure make less news than a 737 filled with kids and a soccer team.

'Oh, what's out potential 'exposure'? 20, or 30 crashes a month? Possibly 30 people a month, 40 counting the driver? How many people already die in crashes? What percentage of total crashes is that? Hah, they will be 'lost in the statistics'.'

Yeah, that is fine, as long as no one you know was one of those statistics! We are talking about an industry that shipped the Ford Pinto, and the 'side saddle gas tank' pickups. Oh, and the Tesla's too...

Life is great, as long as your life is valued. Since we are all a statistic, if you are on the short end of the numbers, oops...
 
And why is Apple even interested in this space again? Still don't understand why an Apple car would be compelling in any way. ….
I’d speculate that Apple believes their computer engineering know-how is going to allow them to succeed where others are failing. With their success with A-series and now M-series chip design and manufacture, they believe they are the only manufacturer that can design and build chips with the machine learning capabilities that can make fully automated cars functional.

Of course, this just takes us one step closer to the Singularity.
 
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Hey, worlds largest economy! Perhaps you'd like to you know, do something about that? Wouldn't that be an idea, instead of relying on people to navigate around the potholes?
They really should. As a non-American, the state of that country's infrastructure is confusing.
 
I'd be impressed with any autonomous car that did not crash within 5 minutes upon leaving my home and travelling in any direction away from here.
Having to deal with normal UK B roads and all the typical scenarios you find yourself in every single day seems vastly beyond anything I've seen so far.
 
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