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From my reading, even this part appeared to be a way to implement the change “now-ish” since the App Store isn’t configured to work the way the ACM wants it to work (not surprising, they’ve never ran a digital storefront) In the future it’s possible that they COULD have one app with the Netherlands getting their version automatically (Apple’s bitcode is a powerful technology) but, ACM wanted changes NOW and any app changes that include worldwide “legal” or “financial” ramifications are never done quickly.
It already have all the functions ACM require. Apple just have rules preventing it. Nothing technical at all. And as I have provided before. It was in the original request.
 
Apple executives are actually delusional enough to believe that they can continue flaunting the law and the regulators will just throw up their hands and say “well, that’s it we tried”. I can’t wait to see Tim’s smug mug at antitrust trials.
Or... they have a legal strategy that you're unaware of. :eek:
 
But if I did in fact build a colorful treehouse with hand tools, but what you really wanted was for me to build a colorful treehouse with a specific brand of hand tools, then you should have said that.
If I make it simple for you. I tell you how to play football by kicking the ball with your feet and stop using your hands. You for some inexplicable reason attaches small feets to your hands and Carrie’s the ball between them and kicks it in the goal.

And when I points out you still don’t follow the law you complain and say the instructions wasn’t detailed enough and didn’t say you could do that and incisor it’s by the rules.
 
I think Apple's strategy is to wait to see what the EU is going to require. Then negotiate with the EU. Don't make concessions in smaller markets until they have to.
I’m petty sure that EU doesn’t negotiate with terrorists. They’ll just pass a law mandating side loading and alternative app stores and tell Apple to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
 
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I’m petty sure that EU doesn’t negotiate with terrorists. They’ll just pass a law mandating side loading and alternative app stores and tell Apple to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Yeah, EU is joke and purely looking at ways to make money. Take GDPR, for example, huge amounts of money have been paid. But, users don't see any benefit. It's posturing and money. As most things governement related are. If only they cared about citizens...By the US senators are the same way. We have terrible education system in the US. But, what Apple does with the App store is more important.
 
Was the original ruling that Apple must allow developers to provide a universal app to the entire world with alternative IAP options? It certainly makes sense that two SKUs provides that ability to cordon off where the ruling is in effect.

Also, they wouldn't need to make a new app. They would just compile the same app with the new features; the same app can be compiled with or without those features, resulting in two separate binaries (one with the feature, one without). You don't need to maintain two codebases -- you just set a region-specific compile flag that includes the alternative IAP option.


Honest question: which APIs allow developers to offer unique IAP based on location?
There is a whole page for that. And I quote

Apple services. Use Apple APIs to automatically present localized buttons, payment sheets, errors, and more for Apple Pay, Apple Wallet, and Sign in with Apple.

I can think of a lot more complicated solutions than the very simple one proposed by Apple.
Try and think of a simpler one then with the least amount of work for apple and developers.

1: one app
2: localized content with existing APIs such as a button only visible in Netherlands.
3: right next to apples IAP solution allowing them to provide both solutions in Netherlands.
4: 3d party payment solutions are unavailable outside of the Netherlands and only apples IAP button is visible.
 
Huh? Whether to offer and support variations of products (beyond price-focused tiers) has been a required decision for companies providing products/services in multiple countries/markets/regions forever. For example:


The App Store is similar. You can publish an app in just one store (typically the country your company is based in/where you reside), to all of the regional App Stores, or only a select. The decision would be based on variables such as development/maintenance difficulty/cost, local laws prohibiting functionality, etc.


There should be no need for such s decision from the customer perspective. Provide just the app version allowing payment via Apple Pay as well as other methods or just third-party methods in the NL App Store and a version with Apple Pay only in other countries/regions stores (assuming the app is being made available elsewhere).

From what I have seen, most developers do not create country/region-specific versions when offering their app in multiple regions. Either the compatibility/support (e.g. languages, currencies) is baked into the sole package and thus reasonably offered or that country/region is simply ignored — which seems to be the logical approach.
You might think that. But apple doesn’t seem to know that.
 
Try and think of a simpler one then with the least amount of work for apple and developers.

1: one app
2: localized content with existing APIs such as a button only visible in Netherlands.
3: right next to apples IAP solution allowing them to provide both solutions in Netherlands.
4: 3d party payment solutions are unavailable outside of the Netherlands and only apples IAP button is visible.
Everything seems simple if you don’t consider any potential problems. The obvious example being refunds become an exercise in passing the buck.
 
Public opinion of the ACM also drops lower and lower….imo.
Consumer protection in Dutch market is considered particulary strong for the last decades. I think it's fair to say one of the best in the world, also in terms of privacy.

In The Netherlands, authorities try to be there more for the consumers than for the big corporates, in Anglo countries like USA and UK the government is there more for the big corporates. In return the big corporates in those countries are more rich, at the other side in Holland the wellfare is better distributed which bring lower levels of criminality, higher levels of perceived average happiness etc.
 
Not a great comparison

It'd be more like "you can only charge it at X stations/locations/plugs" due to a manufacturer imposed restriction, specifically to benefit the manufacturer.
No, it was a good comparison and you're missing the point: the nature of the iOS ecosystem was well established when (and before) you bought an iPhone. After having put down the money for an iPhone, you're now arguing that you want it to work differently, like how Android works. That suggests to me that you should have bought an Android phone. Again, the comparison is buying thing A and then complaining that it doesn't work like thing B. Making the government force thing A to be like thing B isn't the answer. If you want thing B, go buy thing B. If you bought thing A wanting thing B, that's your mistake, not something to make the government fix.
 
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EU have one version tho. It would be as absurd as demand that Texas have one version and New York another and Washington it’s special version. Eu is a single market.
Like with insurance? Car leases? Eggs? Pork products? Windows? Roofing materials? Wood products? Plumbing fixtures? Even non-50 state compliant vehicles (which used to be a thing).

There are many many products and services that are allowed in one state but not other states.
 
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To me, it feels like ACM is asking Apple to replace the battery in their car at speed on the highway and Apple’s saying, “Ok, but I’ll have to stop first” and ACM is going “NO THAT’S NOT FAST ENOUGH FIIIIIIIINES!” Because, they primarily have no idea how batteries are changed, but they’re absolutely sure that it needs to happen in the next 7 seconds while the car is at speed in traffic on the highway.

Oh, and they’re fining Apple every 7 seconds.
 
Yeah, EU is joke and purely looking at ways to make money. Take GDPR, for example, huge amounts of money have been paid. But, users don't see any benefit. It's posturing and money. As most things governement related are. If only they cared about citizens...By the US senators are the same way. We have terrible education system in the US. But, what Apple does with the App store is more important.
GDPR is about user privacy. Users have benefited tremendously
 
No, it was a good comparison and you're missing the point: the nature of the iOS ecosystem was well established when (and before) you bought an iPhone. After having put down the money for an iPhone, you're now arguing that you want it to work differently, like how Android works. That suggests to me that you should have bought an Android phone. Again, the comparison is buying thing A and then complaining that it doesn't work like thing B. Making the government force thing A to be like thing B isn't the answer. If you want thing B, go buy thing B. If you bought thing A wanting thing B, that's your mistake, not something to make the government fix.
It isn’t about users, because alternative apps stores will not help users. The people suing Apple are developers. They are the ones being harmed.
 
This is like speeding in a speed trap and accepting the fine. Is it a sign you think you are “above the law”? It’s a calculated risk.
Exactly and they know they'll get away with a slap on the wrist, which is worth far less to them than the alternative. They're a monster money grubbing corporation, of course they're going to pay the tiny fine and continue to rake it in elsewhere!
 
So far, Apple hasn't removed the restrictions. In fact, they added new restrictions that didn't exist previously (applying for special permission, submitting separate builds, exhausting record keeping, separate payments, etc).
I don’t buy that argument. They have removed the restriction but the consanguineous of that ruling produces other restrictions. The AMC fighting to make it less burdensome with single SKU seems to punishing Apple for not lowering the commission lower then 27%. Even though AMC got exactly what it wanted, minus transaction fee.

Sometimes you lose even when you win. But you can’t legally complain about it. Apple is just waiting for the courts to decide.
 
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Like with insurance? Car leases? Eggs? Pork products? Windows? Roofing materials? Wood products? Plumbing fixtures? Even non-50 state compliant vehicles (which used to be a thing).

There are many many products and services that are allowed in one state but not other states.
How interesting. We have everything standardized.

The single market seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and people, known collectively as the "four freedoms.

It would be unimaginable to have different quality standards for food, cars or sold goods.

Safety regulations or standards for buildings or strictly local things might have higher quality requirements, but never lower. And we aren’t even a full Federation but have more unionized markets than USA.
 
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