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You are misunderstanding, I think. Developers need to submit a separate binary that includes support for the external payment methods. This -replaces- the one that they would have originally submitted to that region.

Consumers would not see two separate copies of the same app in the store. Just the new one that supports the additional payment methods. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are completely wrong. Apple specifically requires developers to do:
1: app with only apples IAP solution
2: separate app with 3d party payment ONLY if you want to offer it. And a hoste of other requirements.

3: you are strictly forbidden from providing both in the same app in Netherlands. It must be two separate ones
 
A good marker as to why Apple could be pushing this so it ends up in court and having a Judge rule over everything is the recent win in Apple's favour over the tax they were told to pay the EU to the tune of $13 billion because the EU said that the tax rebate they got from the Irish government was tantamount to state sponsorship with is against EU law. Apple waited and waited until everything was settled between the Irish government and the EU all the whilst Apple was receiving immense pressure from other EU countries to pay up. Apple waited and waited for the right opportunity and then boom, they went into court with their team of lawyers, told the court they had a legitimate contract with the Irish government, regardless of how immensely favourable it was to Apple. The court said the contract is valid, case closed Apple doesn't have to pay but I believe the EU has appealed so it's not over yet.

But you can see why Apple is waiting because if they allowed the decisions of regulators to stand, even if the regulators are 100% right, Apple would be making tremendous losses in fines and tax bills but court Judges only deal with facts of law which is why Apple always want to take everything to court because they know they stand a good chance of winning based of facts of law.
Apple didn’t do anything. It was a court case against Ireland to recoup illegaly provided tax breaks. And yes it’s appealed by the EU commission.

EU judges are investigators and not neutral arbiters.
 
Android isn't a single OS. Every manufacturer releases their own version.
All android version are compatible with each other.
IMO, Google is actually the one engaging in anti-competitive actions by contractually requiring its competitors to support Google Play and other Google services. Apple's not interfering with any of it's competitors.
Luckily google was found guilty for that.
Nope. A "monopolistic scenario" is where one company dominates a market. According to the ACM, Apple only has 30-40% of the market IIRC.
One grave mistake. Monopolistic isn’t illegal. Being a monopoly isn’t illegal either.

Dominating a market isn’t related market share or size.

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In one of the first Article 82 cases, Hoffmann-La Roche, the European Court of Justice gave the definition of market dominance, which is still used nowadays: “[the dominant position] relates to a position of economic strength enjoyed by an undertaking, which enables it to prevent effective competition being maintained on the relevant market by affording it the power to behave to an appreciable extent independently of its competitors, its customers and ultimately of the consumers. Such a position does not preclude some competition, which it does where there is a monopoly or quasi-monopoly, but enables the undertaking, which profits by it, if not to determine, at least to have an appreciable influence on the conditions under which that competition will develop, and in any case to act largely in disregard of it so long as such conduct does not operate to its detriment”.
The Hoffmann-La Roche delineated also the concept of abuse of a dominant position, as a behaviour “which, through recourse to methods different from those which condition normal competition in products or services on the basis of the transactions of commercial operators, has the effect of hindering the maintenance of the degree of competition still existing in the market or the growth of that competition”.
Abusive behaviour consists mainly of exclusionary practices as predatory pricing, exclusive dealing, refusal to supply, and tying.
It is worthy to emphasize that European law does not punish the dominant position in itself, just its abuse. However, in the practice of European law, a dominant firm might not be allowed to engage in the same practices as non-dominant firms.
 
There are no rules stating that companies cannot make profits. There is no upper limit to the margins a company can take in for their products/services.

Spotify (and friends) are more than welcome to develop their own phones and app stores so that they can cut Apple out, but they don't have the right (with current laws in every free market) to force Apple to change its policies when it benefits them. They signed up for (and became absurdly wealthy from) the App Store model on iOS.
He you would be surprised. Anti competitive laws exist. And google was just forced to change its policies
 
Who gives a crap what Apple does with it App Store.

the problem is that it is the ONLY App Store, a monopoly that is anti-competitive AND restricts users freedom to get apps elsewhere.

Hammer Apple on that, because it has NO LEGS to stand on.
we can all see through the ”privacy, security” crap Apple and its shareholders like to bring out, even in the face of MacOS.


Push for allowance of multiple App stores and user freedom to ”download” like every other god damn PC and Mac User.
 
Who gives a crap what Apple does with it App Store.

the problem is that it is the ONLY App Store,
On Apple Devices - there are alternatives.
a monopoly that is anti-competitive AND restricts users freedom to get apps elsewhere.
You are free to pick up an equivalent Android device anytime you choose - you already know this.

As an Apple user, I do not want to signup and download from 10 other "alternative" app stores - It's the reason I chose an Apple device.

Sure I manually installed Apps from various sources it on my Mac and PC, but it's an inconvenience I don't need or want on my Phone/Tablet.
 
Heh. The dislikes, the disagreement. Pretty fun to watch.
Anyways, those €50m fines will be paid by customer regardless. Until Dutch government wants to charge €50b fine, there’s no change of this. Apple is way too big to fail and governments failing to realise that is just incompetent.
 
I think Apple's strategy is to wait to see what the EU is going to require. Then negotiate with the EU. Don't make concessions in smaller markets until they have to.
I’m sorry but that’s not how it works. This is done in the pre-trial. Before anti competitive probe is launched.

Whatever the antitrust probe finds as illegal isn’t negotiable. Google did the same mistake and was stonewalled.

When a company wants to settle, it needs to “reach out immediately after" getting the EU’s initial complaint or statement of objections.
Google said it was prepared to adjust contracts to loosen restrictions the EU didn’t like.
The lawyers never received a formal response, hearing only from officials that a settlement was no longer an option.

On 30 April 2020 the European Commission published its Statement of Objections against Apple.

That’s close to 1 year to late essentially just like google.
 
Spotify (and friends) are more than welcome to develop their own phones and app stores so that they can cut Apple

Please, stop right there. Don’t try to argue that if a market player abuses their position, then someone “just” has to overtake the market.

That's a fantasy as well. You're ignoring all the people that sign up for Spotify outside of an iOS app. Apple gets nothing for them. They just want a commission if you sign up through an iOS app.

Fantasy in the sense that Apple would love if users had to sign up through the app only. And the portion of people who sign up outside the app is 100%, because you can’t sign up in the app. Spotify (along with many, many other services) don’t care to pay Apple money that they don’t deserve. So consumers suffer with an inferior experience, and Apple distributes hundreds of millions of copies of the app for free. Oops. So much for money in the table.
 
Yes - "reader" apps.

However, those are currently defined as software that displays outside content on iOS, including previously purchased videos, music, magazines, newspapers and books.

Apple appears to not consider these dating apps to be "reader" apps since they have not offered to expand the "reader" app option to include them.

Therefore, if Apple were to grant dating apps an exemption from the current IAP rule via a different mechanism, even if they did so in such a way that only dating apps would be eligible, they could be laying the groundwork for future legal challenges by other categories of non-"reader" app that would refer back to the dating app exemption as precedent.

Then what are all the food and service apps I have where I purchase a product or service (or both) and pay with AP, Visa, MC, AMEX, etc...
Costco, SamsClub, BedBath&Beyond, Subway, DoorDash, UberEats, jimmyJohns, JerseyMikes, VonsDelivery, etc.....
maybe I have the comparison wrong...

All I am saying is the tech already exists to do what the AMC asked. I wonder why Apple chose this "solution"
 
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If I make it simple for you. I tell you how to play football by kicking the ball with your feet and stop using your hands. You for some inexplicable reason attaches small feets to your hands and Carrie’s the ball between them and kicks it in the goal.

And when I points out you still don’t follow the law you complain and say the instructions wasn’t detailed enough and didn’t say you could do that and incisor it’s by the rules.

Looks like you got bit by Apple speech to text spell check?
 
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Hopefully this comes back to bite them in the behind. Apple needs a reality check when it comes to the app store.
The reality is outside app payment mean being forced to allow a developer to use their tools, resources and access to their customer base that they spent a decade and billions building for free. If these companies did not need Apple they would create a web app and sign find their own customers.

They could even advertise on the App Store to promote their site, sign them up and pay Apple only for the ads. This would require them to invest much more into their business that what they are currently doing and requires upfront capital, so they choose not to.
 
From what I can tell, Apple was told to allow alternate payment methods for dating apps in the Netherlands, right? That's what they're doing. The developer can choose which payment methods to use, and if they use a third-party one, then Apple charges them the standard 30% commission minus the 3% it looks like Apple pays for the payment processing.

If this is a wider issue about whether Apple should be allowed to charge 27% for everything it provides aside from payment processing, then was that part of the legal case? I don't know.

Is 27% too much for hosting apps, and supplying, maintaining and updating developer tools, macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, watchOS etc.? And the legal team they employ to make sure apps can be sold correctly in various countries? Again, I don't know. I know Apple do make a profit on the App Store, and I think they should be able to do so. That some developers and lawmakers think 30%/27% is too much is perhaps just a question of greed/fairness.

No one is telling Apple they can't make 40% profit margin on an iPhone.

I'm a developer, and I think the 30% is fine for what they provide me. YMMV.
I agree wholeheartedly. I never even took into account the effort to keep the store available in hundreds of countries, across a multitude of languages and currencies, collecting and handling taxes etc.

These developers are total idiots.
 
Apple executives should be thrown in jail and fined for denying government orders.
The should just cancel the Dutch store completely. They don’t have to do business in countries with unreasonable governments. There are lots of products that never go beyond the US and a couple more because the laws are unreasonable and not worth the effort. The Dutch need to be added to that list it seems.
 
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