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AppleCare Staff Begin Training on OS X Mavericks Ahead of Expected Late October Launch

phoon54 said:
I support a lot of iOS and Mac OS users. iOS 7 has been a disaster for some people. The overall engineering of the thin fonts and distracting motion and hip-hop colors has a lot of (particularly older) users up in arms. We've been able to overcome some of this with Accessibility settings, but it was still a poor job by Apple.

I hope Apple is much more careful with any final changes to Mavericks. We really can't take much more of this at the user end. For the first time in awhile, many of the clients are looking at alternatives to Apple again, because of iOS 7. Don't repeat the mistake with Mavericks, just when we're finally getting some Mac traction in the office community.
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"We"? Don't include me in your nonsense pal...

"Many clients are looking for alternatives because iOS 7". You mean after the fastest sell of iPhones ever?
 
AJClayton said:
All make sense. Mavericks later this month (most likely right at the end) and then (as Schizoid said a couple of posts back) the new Mac Pro to follow in November.

If it wasn't for the fact that I desperately need to upgrade my 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 and the new Pro will ship with it, I'm not entirely sure I'd want to upgrade the OS if I wasn't also updating the computer. There's not that much in there that's any different. OK. Snow Leopard had little changes from a user's perspective, but there were massive changes under the hood that made the upgrade worthwhile. That's not the case with Mavericks (although I suspect I shall be told otherwise any minute now :rolleyes:)
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I'm currently using mavericks. My MacBook got 2 hours of extra battery. The ram management is amazing. The system is faster...
 
attila said:
MacOS X has been 64-bit for a while. 64-bit means it supports 16 Exabytes. Which is a lot ;)
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I've always found this confusing. Does 64-bit refer how big an integer/pointer can be when writing code, or how much data can be addressed? If it's integer size, it makes some sense because I've always heard how programmers have to check how big an int & long are, but I also hear how 32-bit OSes can only access 4 GB of RAM. If the latter, why aren't 32-bit OSes limited to 4 GB worth of hard drive space?

I apologize if this is a stupid question.
 
Jim L said:
That brings up an interesting question ....

If it isn't free, say $19 or $29, do I have to purchase once for all 3 of my Macs or an upgrade pricing for each?
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You purchase once per App Store account. So if you have three Macs and they are all on the same App Store account you just pay once.
 
barmann said:
No offence, but I believe you are making the same mistake Apple makes - trying to compare iOS and OSX, and telling people they are alike .

iOS is an operating system by name only, in computing terms it's like cave painting .

OSX and iOS aren't even compatible, that's how silly it is .
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iOS is an operating system. It manages the hardware and serves as an interface between the hardware and apps, in addition to providing services that they need to run. This is, essentially, the definition of an operating system. The fact that it is not compatible with OS X is not relevant, although if you think it is, both share a common base: Darwin. It would be theoretically possible to compile a simple CLI application for all three with relative ease.

That being said, I agree with your (and others') feelings about iOS and OS X. If they were to merge even in terms of appearance, I think the general reaction would be like how people feel about Windows 8 on desktops (i.e., not good). iOS and OS X have never shared much visually, so I don't see why the iOS 7 redesign would necessitate change on the desktop. Apple has historically tweaked the appearance of OS X over time (perhaps most notably in Leopard but with lots of small tweaks between most major OS releases), and while it might be a little late to do so for Mavericks, who knows what they're planning for the future.
 
iOS is not much of an operating system. It functions more like an app launcher.

I wish Apple would make up its mind where app settings should be. In the OS settings menu or the apps themselves?
 
attila said:
MacOS X has been 64-bit for a while. 64-bit means it supports 16 Exabytes. Which is a lot ;)
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10.8.5 and down only see 96gb, fwiw, which is why I asked.

However, windows on the same machine can see all 128 if installed (mac pro, 4,1 or 5,1)
 
In fact, Fall didn't officially start until less than two weeks ago. It isn't winter until just before Christmas.
 
juanmanas said:
"We"? Don't include me in your nonsense pal...

"Many clients are looking for alternatives because iOS 7". You mean after the fastest sell of iPhones ever?
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To be fair, every iPhone is the fastest selling ever, Apple is like Call of Duty, they're a yearly staple, everyone has them/plays them, they don't make many changes, and are a household name.
 
tymaster50 said:
To be fair, every iPhone is the fastest selling ever, Apple is like Call of Duty, they're a yearly staple, everyone has them/plays them, they don't make many changes, and are a household name.
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Yes but if no one liked it anymore they wouldn't buy it.
 
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rmwebs said:
No disrespect to the author as I'm sure a lot of work went into this, but that's not tasteful if you're trying to get any work done.

A desktop machine needs a heck of a lot more definition if you're working on it 16 hours a day.

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I can top that on my rMBP with ML :p

- USB 2.0 devices plugged into a USB 3.0 hub will randomly stop working
- My Magsafe light goes out when I get to 80%
- Sound randomly disables
- All network connectivity suddenly stops working

This update can't get here soon enough for me!

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I dont think that'll happen. They dont/wont/shouldn't care either way as long as you're on Snow Leopard or above (So you've got the AppStore = more cash for Apple).

I'd bet either $19 or $25 in the US, then just because we all know how expensive a download from the US to UK is, it'll be £25 here to cover the standard AIT* :rolleyes:


(*Apple International Tax)

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I'm sure you'll survive a whole ~20ish days...

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I'm guessing you're not a power user with 2+ displays then. That's the biggie for a lot of us - they fixed the broken multi-screen support.

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So this comment makes you a power user.
Don't get me wrong I am an apple fan too... but $19 and counting it a new OS upgrade for a broken thing which counts a minimum necessity for any OS....
Ironically Apple claims OSX "World's most advanced OS". :)

Just imagine if MS has dropped the multi-monitor support for the whole new OS like in Windows 7 or Windows 8....
I am really disappointed that all blind apple fans didn't point this major shortcoming and all critic sites gave OSX ML good reviews.
 
Dwalls90 said:
OSX is looking more stale than iOS was, and now that iOS has been revamped, OSX just looks even worse.
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I have to say I can't disagree more. OS X looks great and on the whole works brilliantly, especially with some of the added bonuses of Mavericks. iOS 7 was given such a strong facelift because Jony Ive wanted to stick two fingers up at Forstall. It needed a fresh coat of paint, but they took the p*ss.

It is very possible that OS X will be completely redesigned to come in line with iOS 7, but I really hope not. iOS 7 design works best (if you can call it that) on retina displays, and the Mac is a few years away from being mainly retina.
 
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