Clearly if he does he has does not believe there is a problem and is trying to make us out to be loonies!
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Clearly if he does he has does not believe there is a problem and is trying to make us out to be loonies!
i think it would be cheaper for apple to give out free bumpers then to fix the hardware problem with the phone in a hardware revision and then have all the people with the old iphone 4 complain that they want new iphones because their old iphone 4 has signal degredation. just my 2 cents.
Blorzoga
macrumors 68030
Just get a case - problem solved
I don't have a signal problem. The first this I did when I got my phone was to get a case. It improves the grip and preserves resale value, not to mention fixes the apparent antenna issue. Everyone is whining and complaining. Yes, Apple screwed up and yes, they should give away free bumpers but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I don't have a signal problem. The first this I did when I got my phone was to get a case. It improves the grip and preserves resale value, not to mention fixes the apparent antenna issue. Everyone is whining and complaining. Yes, Apple screwed up and yes, they should give away free bumpers but I wouldn't hold my breath.
"what is more pathetic here; you using Battlestar Galactica fanboy slang"
Pathetic, really? I thought it was more polite #1 than using the common curse words that are perhaps more familiar to you. And #2 out of habit.
Proud to be as you say a BSG "fanboy". Is being a fanboy supposed to disqualify someone from having an opinion?
"semi-professional forum"
Really! Read the threads here much?
"My iPhone 4 has been operating like a champ"
I am very happy for you as I am sure most of the other members here are!
"and those that claim dropped calls are either in crappy coverage areas, live in communities that were not built for optimized cell coverage, have a history of abusing equipment due to lack of knowledge and responsibility or just bad karma."
I live in a major metropolitan area with towers virtually every where. 5 bars all the time even in the basement, but when I hold the phone the way I once held my 3Gs I experience the phenomena you dismiss with callous disregard to other members who are experiencing problems. I also have never abused my phone, occasional drops perhaps, totally by mistake of course, I've never put it in a blender!
Bad Karma, wow, that's deep!
"Who's payroll are you on?"
Olmos Productions. Whose payroll are you on Apple's?
franswa za
macrumors 6502a
franswa za
macrumors 6502a
in a way i agree, but if does give away free bumpers or admit there's a problem.......
they'll be in deep s**t arkinsaw..... legal stuff etc.
so don't hold your breath! just change your grip!
That's just laughable! 😀🙂😎
Nothing about the phone being used to take/view images with the baby and the mom indicates she is holding the phone incorrectly. She does not hold it so as to bridge the sections at the bottom; she is holding it at the TOP.
Who is the idiot that added/edited that? вы от России? я люблю Россию!?
Dumb!
Hands don't BLOCK the signal! Walls don't block the signal unless they are very dense and/or made of metal which shields the phone from the signal.
And you thought you'd be taking a cheap shot at Apple.
Try this sometime when you can get a multimeter– or at least one that has an ohmmeter. Set it on the Ohms (Ω) scale at high resistance, and hold the ends of the probes between your thumb and forefinger, one probe in each hand. Look at the measurement. You will find that the human body is conductive.
BTW– That's one reason you don't want to grab both posts of a car battery: the electric current will go through your body, traveling through your heart, and knock you on your a s s, if it doesn't kill you.
"ad's" ? That a contraction or a possessive, neither of which makes sense here.
cmaier
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Actually, yes, your hands do block the high frequency signal. The fact that you are somewhat conductive at DC is irrelevant. Your flesh absorbs the signal, just like it would absorb microwaves. The energy from the signal increases the kinetic energy of the water molecules in your body, slightly raising your temperature in that area. Energy that goes into heating your body is unavailable for carrying information through to the antenna, by the law of conservation of energy.
I do that on most of my machines, but when buying a new one I just hate giving money to Microsoft when I know I'm going to reformat their crap off the system and use Ubuntu instead. It would be so much nicer if more PC vendors would give us the option of buying computers without an OS installed.
chrmjenkins
macrumors 603
Correct. And the higher the frequency of the signal, there more loss you get from obstacles in the line of sight.
Haha.
And your body being conductive BRIDGES the antenna gap. DA!
If hands BLOCKED the signal, then no phone user would be able to make/receive calls while holding his phone. Although your body, absorbs radiation of certain frequencies better than it does of other frequencies, it does not absorb ALL of the signal to the extent it is BLOCKED. Absurd notion.
cmaier
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What's your point? The fact that your hand can change the impedance of an antenna does not mean your hand passes high frequency AC signals. These are unrelated phenomena.
You have changed the meaning of "block" to "block entirely" in order to save face. Further, your distinction is meaningless. In many situations your body blocks enough of the signal to render the signal unusable by the phone, which although it may not be "all of the signal" is enough of the signal to matter. Additionally, your logic is faulty: " If hands BLOCKED the signal, then no phone user would be able to make/receive calls while holding his phone." Aside from the strawman fallacy, hands DO block the signal, and yet people can still make calls, and this does not disagree with the physics one iota. (First, people do not block the entirety of the antenna - antennas are typically internal and impossible to surround on all sides. Second, if the signal is strong enough, some energy will remain when the waves pass through your hand.)
SPUY767
macrumors 68020
cmaier
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Yeah, that was a little weak for Rodimus. He's usually better at it. Personally, I don't want the antenna at the top to fry my brain. On the other hand, Apple shouldn't have exposed the antenna so that it can be detuned.
SPUY767
macrumors 68020
One needn't been specifically a Radio Antenna specialist to have knowledge applicable to this topic. My degrees, Electrical and Software Engineering offer me insight that a lay person may not have on the subject.
SPUY767
macrumors 68020
Apple should have just put a larger plastic insert between where the antennae meet. Of course, that wouldn't have been as aesthetically pleasing.
madmax_2069
macrumors 6502a
since 1987
lol i guess its better then being a old smelly horse fart.
There is only a few places i use this avatar at here and Applefritter (forget if that was the only places i used it at).
Ok, I'm here in UK. bought the phone on launch day and knowing of the problem bought a bumper, grudgingly. Had the bumper on since then and no problems. took it off today and lose the signal and the call. Went back to the shop to see what they had to say. I made it clear I had some idea of what I was talking about. anyway, manager says no point in changing the handset as all the phones are the same - so not a faulty batch but a fault in the design. The bumper "augments" the phone and the signal he said, to which I replied "it doesnt agument it, it makes it work and if you need a bumper to make the phone work then its a faulty product". He didnt need to answer that one. He stuck to the company line and I asked what my options were. We agreed to wait for a software fix. If that simply masks what the bars are doing then the calls will still drop. If that is the case, the fact that I hade been in to report the phone on day 7 and it is all logged then I will get a refund or whatever I want no matter how long past the 14 day return period. He pretty much agreed that the phone was the problem and thats why we need the bumper. I am left handed and tend to dial with my left then swop hands and hold with the left too. No use for me. He did say that they would never let a customer down by leaving them with faulty kit if there was something to be done to help them. It may just be the lads in the Aberdeen shop but I was happy I had an agreement to get my money back later if need be.
CNN has picked up on this leaked document. They're citing Boy Genius, but still. It's a major outlet reporting Apple's spin on this problem.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/06/30/leaked.apple.docs.mashable/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/06/30/leaked.apple.docs.mashable/index.html
QCassidy352
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Why is this turning into a holy war? If you don't have the problem and/or don't care about using a bumper and/or don't care Bout adjusting your grip, great, mire power to you. If you so have the problem and find either of those "fixes" unacceptable, return the phone and get one you like. Why are people on both aides being so antagonistic about this?
Why is this turning into a holy war? If you don't have the problem and/or don't care about using a bumper and/or don't care Bout adjusting your grip, great, mire power to you. If you so have the problem and find either of those "fixes" unacceptable, return the phone and get one you like. Why are people on both aides being so antagonistic about this?
The reason isn't that hard to understand. The goal for any company selling a product is to market in a way that makes it desirable. Apple is good at this. People have been desiring this, ordered, waited for the product that Apple described. There really isn't another product out there like it as an alternative, so people (including me) are stuck in this middle ground wanting what Apple marketed to them.
So simply, many people don't want something else - they want what they have to work as described.
macintoshi
macrumors 6502
Well very large almost 4cm,because otherwise will not garant you,that a finger will not bridge those antennas
It's easy, people just want the iPhone they were promised.
They waited in line and pre ordered and slapped down hard earned money for a phone that doesn't live up to expectation. A phone that has a huge glaring design flaw. Now that apple decided to blame the user it has become a holy war. 1st thing you learn in tech support is to not make it sound likethe user is wrong. Apple failed. They knew this was an issue but swept it under the floor and launched anyway.
Then they insulted a good portion of their die hard fans.
It's simple really