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Apple's 13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro to Launch 'Before October'?

mex4eric said:
Apple already has a good lap top line-up for back-to-school. So, I would agree October is good, to capture a few late buyers and the non-school crowd. An rMBP 13" fills the line up and prepares for the future of SSD, DVD-free, hi-res laptops.

Don't know about the integrated graphics versus dedicated graphics, but I am sure Apple does know. The 13" will have fewer pixels to push and the 4000 is faster than the 3000, maybe good enough.
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Well this is probably true...

Since the 13 inch is smaller, it may only end up needing a resolution closer to the aspect-ratio equivalent of 2560x1600 for a "retina" effect. This is a much more common resolution and runs fine on even mid-grade graphics hardware. Seems strange that the extra ~64,000 pixels in a 2880x1800 would cause that much of an issue on the 15-inch retina MBPs. My older MBP runs its native resolution and a 2560x1600 on an external monitor without noticeable UI lag. Running full-screen videos and games are a different story though..
 
13" retina mbp...nice. held off upgrading my 2010 11" mba because i was disappointed there were not display improvements in the 2012 mbas.

would it have 16:10 or 16:9? would love a smaller bezel.
 
Price tag? anyone?

I'm afraid it will be around 1989 dollar or even a little more, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
I wonder what resolution a 13-inch retina display would be. I would guess it would double 1280x800, which would be 2560x1600, the same resolution as a 30" display. And I wonder what the scaled resolutions would be, I'm guessing 1680x1050 and 1440x900.

Hopefully it has a decent video card. I like that the 15" rMBP can drive 3 monitors (2 off of ThunderBolt, 1 off of HDMI) + laptop display for a total of 4 displays. Dual Thunderbolt ports is good in general, especially when the dongles for Firewire, Ethernet, etc, don't have a passthrough. Hopefully it doesn't lose that feature. I'm also hoping it has a 768GB SSD option, but I imagine it will as I don't think Apple wants to miss out on the profit from that option.

I'm hoping to not need a Mac Pro anymore with my next MacBook Pro purchase. Not sure about 15" or 13", but both sound appealing. If the 13" loses too many features, I would probably go 15". 768GB is a squeeze coming from an almost full 1TB system partition on my Mac Pro, but I could do it. I'm probably going to wait until next year for Haswell and also to see what the new Mac Pros are like just in case. Maybe they'll have 1TB SSD option in the rMBPs by then.

I'm also considering get a regular non-retina MBP (maybe even a refurb/used 17") instead and outfit it with a 1TB HDD and the largest SSD I can afford (install via Optibay or equivalent), so that I have a ton of storage and don't need to dock that often, but it just seems like I'd be going backwards if I don't get a retina model and the extra portability seems nice.
 
I'd much rather have a Haswell retina MBA 13'. If Apple decide to release a retina MBP 13', I'm afraid they will deliberately cripple some core features in the MBA 13''. IMO MPA 13'' is a brilliant form factor, and that will be my next machine (together with an Apple Cinema Display).
 
Looking at Apple's history, it would be safe to say that a new 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro should be released within the next few months. Remember when the first generation Unibody MacBook Pro was unveiled? It was only released as a 15 inch model leaving the old design 17 inch model without a change. A few months later, a new redesigned Unibody 17 inch MacBook Pro emerged. Further down the road, the aluminum Macbook was then renamed as the 13 inch Macbook Pro.
 
Farewell to Non-Retina

Is it just me or does it seem like that is way to many different Laptops for Apple. They have always had such a minimal array of devices, seems odd that they would have so much of a similar form factor to choose from.

I predict that 2012 is the last year of the non-Retina MacBook Pro which means no more upgrading Mac Laptops. I love the new Retina MacBook Pro, I think that Apple has definitely taken full size notebook computers to the next level. However, they are going to take a lot of flack from Pro users. Us Pro Users need some lovin' too Apple!
 
Apple Refurb

Haven't been following Apple long enough to know, but does that fact that the Refurb Store is empty mean anything?
 
I think if they can put an IGZO panel in it, they could pull it off. It better have a dedicated GPU though. A 650M should be able to get in there since that optical drive is gone.
 
yes apple give us a butt load of laptops and no imacs.. this is so effin weird digitimes says new retina macbook pros before october and imac maybe in september.. WHAT????? does this make sense, no.
 
This is the MacBook Pro that I'm waiting for. I hope that the back-to-school promotion is still going on when it's released. Either way, I'll be buying one.
 
I do not understand why apple still use 1440x900 for 15" macbook pro, not 1680x1050. What is the selling point for the same resolution in 13" (Air) and 15" (Pro)? For rMBP, it may be related to graphic card issue to drive the display. Hope next generation 15" rMBP, we can see 3360x2100 display.
 
mohsy90 said:
Seeing the 13" MBP were just upgraded (speed bump) and will likely stay on the MBP line.....not really any "old" inventory to get rid of. But that was definitely the case last year.
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I meant in the past. I was just trying to convey that apple does not really bother with using any promotions to sell new products. And they don't need to - anything they launch will sell beyond their capacity for the first couple months after launch.
 
Roessnakhan said:
Probably. Well, I'm sure there'll be something on the homepage, but definitely not a keynote for it (unless its a quick mention in the iPod/iPhone keynote).
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a quick mention of possible, it doesn't take more than 10min to introduce it especially when it is similar to the rMBP 15"

if steve job is still around. it could be in the "one last thing" segment
 
I wonder if the 13" RMBP wouldn't affect sales of the 15" RMBP. With such a sharp screen, the only motivation for buying a 15" laptop would be a slightly extra power, although a SSD-equipped, Ivy Bridge, 4000HD would be nice for most Pro needs, including Photoshop and semi-pro video editing.
 
brdeveloper said:
I wonder if the 13" RMBP wouldn't affect sales of the 15" RMBP. With such a sharp screen, the only motivation for buying a 15" laptop would be a slightly extra power, although a SSD-equipped, Ivy Bridge, 4000HD would be nice for most Pro needs, including Photoshop and semi-pro video editing.
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if there is no dgpu, the trade off would be the same as its now.
 
If they make the effective resolution still 1280x800, no sale. That is the single mot baffling thing to me about the 13" Pro- why can we have a higher resolution in the 13" Air, but not the "professional" machine?

H, that, and also no sale if they won't let me run full resolution. I don't need apple telling me what desktop resolution is "best" for me.
 
apb87 said:
Well this is probably true...

Since the 13 inch is smaller, it may only end up needing a resolution closer to the aspect-ratio equivalent of 2560x1600 for a "retina" effect. This is a much more common resolution and runs fine on even mid-grade graphics hardware. Seems strange that the extra ~64,000 pixels in a 2880x1800 would cause that much of an issue on the 15-inch retina MBPs. My older MBP runs its native resolution and a 2560x1600 on an external monitor without noticeable UI lag. Running full-screen videos and games are a different story though..
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The 15" Retina Pro is WAY higher resolution then it needs to be to achieve a 'retina' effect equivalent to e.g. the iPhone, given viewing distance. The reason it's 2880x1800 is because it allows for integer scaling, and even if you could get away with less physical pixels - which you could - you'd still have to do a x2 buffer render and downscale, which means the GPU would be even MORE taxed.

Besides, from what I've seen the lag on the Retina doesn't seem to lie with the GPU, since there's no improvement with the Nvidia card vs. the iGPU. Rather it seems to be a problem with CPU-bound text rendering in most cases.

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technopimp said:
If they make the effective resolution still 1280x800, no sale. That is the single mot baffling thing to me about the 13" Pro- why can we have a higher resolution in the 13" Air, but not the "professional" machine?

H, that, and also no sale if they won't let me run full resolution. I don't need apple telling me what desktop resolution is "best" for me.
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Ignoring the fact that you could use the 'virtual' resolutions, with the UI elements at an affective 1200x800 you would be free to down-scale your document contents as they're now so much sharper. E.g. set your web browser, Word, etc. to 75% scaling. Problem solved without the overhead of massively more physical or virtual (downscaled) pixels.
 
stewacide said:
The 15" Retina Pro is WAY higher resolution then it needs to be to achieve a 'retina' effect equivalent to e.g. the iPhone, given viewing distance.
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Even though that's true, showed by this awesome graph (to categorize a display as "Retina", it has to have angular resolution of 60 pixels per degree or higher at normal viewing distance):

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It has been proven average person can tell difference between images with angular resolution up to ~200 pixels per degree. So, at normal viewing distance, display with 2880x1880 would NOT look the same as, let's say double resolution - 5760x3600.
 
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