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For those of you wondering....before October = August or September

"At the time, Kuo believed that Apple could have the 13-inch version ready by August, but in the wake of WWDC he revised his predictions to indicate that Apple would begin ramping production in September for a launch in October."

If they're aiming for the before school crowd, they're going to miss it by a couple of months...

I've no doubt they'll update to the Retina, of course. But at this rate, Apple is announcing the iPhone 5, iTV, the Mini, and the 13" MB Pro w/ Retina display by October. Oh, and the iMac lineup, too.

I love rumors. Apple did say they expect an "exciting" September, right? :D
 
"At the time, Kuo believed that Apple could have the 13-inch version ready by August, but in the wake of WWDC he revised his predictions to indicate that Apple would begin ramping production in September for a launch in October."

If they're aiming for the before school crowd, they're going to miss it by a couple of months...

I've no doubt they'll update to the Retina, of course. But at this rate, Apple is announcing the iPhone 5, iTV, the Mini, and the 13" MB Pro w/ Retina display by October. Oh, and the iMac lineup, too.

I love rumors. Apple did say they expect an "exciting" September, right? :D

You can forget the iTV this year. And mini won't be announced, just updated. New iPhone, iPad Mini, and a brief mention of 13 rMBP at October event.
 
"At the time, Kuo believed that Apple could have the 13-inch version ready by August, but in the wake of WWDC he revised his predictions to indicate that Apple would begin ramping production in September for a launch in October."

If they're aiming for the before school crowd, they're going to miss it by a couple of months...

I've no doubt they'll update to the Retina, of course. But at this rate, Apple is announcing the iPhone 5, iTV, the Mini, and the 13" MB Pro w/ Retina display by October. Oh, and the iMac lineup, too.

I love rumors. Apple did say they expect an "exciting" September, right? :D

Yup, October is way too late. Many college kids needing a laptop will most likely purchase it in August-Early September. I guess Apple is just try to benefit as much as possible by trying to release it within the beginning of the school year to hopefully get as many buyers as they can. October will be late but will definitely get more demand in October than in Early 2013.
 
I'm pretty sure the October rumor was created by Digitimes.

Actually no, it was by the KGI securities analyst who basically was spot on regarding the 15" release and expected the 13" to be delayed. He stated that Apple is likely to release 13" later in the year, the earliest being August but expect it by October.

I think just about every mac site referenced him....not just digitimes.
 
+1... if anything, they always used the back to school promotions to clear out old inventory

Seeing the 13" MBP were just upgraded (speed bump) and will likely stay on the MBP line.....not really any "old" inventory to get rid of. But that was definitely the case last year.
 
Having just got a 13" MBA for grad school, but briefly toying with the idea of the 15" Retina, my initial reaction to the Oct or now sooner 13" Retina is bummer, I'd do that. However, while my concerns of weight 2.96 vs 4.46 would be reduced as the 13" MBPr would surely be 3.5-3.75 lbs and I like the 13" form factor better, I think there are several advantages to being "stuck" with my MBA.

1. While price is certain to be closer than the 15" the Air is more cost effective.

2. I have a 2011 27" quad core iMac for power when I need it, and a TB cable for extended display on my Air.

3. Retina is still in its early adopter phase and Apps, web images, and GPUs aren't really ready for it. Evidenced especially by scroll lag, I imagine this could be more troublesome on a smaller unit.

4. Will the 13" maintain the 7 hour battery that the Air and 15" Retina have with its demand for screen power, quad core CPU, and smaller body or will we see a similar drop off like the 11" MBA…
 
I'd love to believe that a 13" rMBP is coming sooner rather than later. But really, I believe the MBA is a more refined experience relative to it's design cycle and way more worth the price of admission (despite being less exciting).

Maybe next year.
 
Having just got a 13" MBA for grad school, but briefly toying with the idea of the 15" Retina, my initial reaction to the Oct or now sooner 13" Retina is bummer, I'd do that. However, while my concerns of weight 2.96 vs 4.46 would be reduced as the 13" MBPr would surely be 3.5-3.75 lbs and I like the 13" form factor better, I think there are several advantages to being "stuck" with my MBA.

1. While price is certain to be closer than the 15" the Air is more cost effective.

2. I have a 2011 27" quad core iMac for power when I need it, and a TB cable for extended display on my Air.

3. Retina is still in its early adopter phase and Apps, web images, and GPUs aren't really ready for it. Evidenced especially by scroll lag, I imagine this could be more troublesome on a smaller unit.

4. Will the 13" maintain the 7 hour battery that the Air and 15" Retina have with its demand for screen power, quad core CPU, and smaller body or will we see a similar drop off like the 11" MBA…

I would assume that #3 will be addressed by ML and I don't know how, but Apple will somehow find a way to retain the ~7 hr battery life.
 
I'll believe this when I see it. If true, it's going to piss off a bunch of people who bought any of the 13" MacBooks for back-to-school. Not because everyone of those that bought a 13" MBA or MBP would have bought the new 13" rMBP, but it would have been nice to have had the opportunity to do so if they so chose.
 
I would sell my soul for a retina 13" with a dedicated gfx card.

Anyway the new MacBook Air 13" is an awesome machine, super fast, light and with a great display!
 
Apple already has a good lap top line-up for back-to-school. So, I would agree October is good, to capture a few late buyers and the non-school crowd. An rMBP 13" fills the line up and prepares for the future of SSD, DVD-free, hi-res laptops.

Don't know about the integrated graphics versus dedicated graphics, but I am sure Apple does know. The 13" will have fewer pixels to push and the 4000 is faster than the 3000, maybe good enough.
 
I would sell my soul for a retina 13" with a dedicated gfx card.

what if your doorbell rang tomorrow, you answered it and nobody was there.. just an unmarked box.. and inside was a retina 13" with the purchase order of "666" on it..

youd be in big trouble buddy...
 
its rumored that the 13" retina pro will be powered by the hd 4000 only.

The single thing that should distinguish macbook pros from the air is discrete graphics cards. If the 13" retina pro doesnt have a discrete graphics card it shouldnt be labeled pro. Same thing with the current line of pros - that 13" should be able to fit a graphics card no problem i don't see why apple is only putting it in the 15".

+1

personally, i think the retina display (while beautiful for optimized apps), is ultimately a fail and a distraction.

-1

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I really want an Retina Macbook Pro, but am (unhappily) waiting until 802.11ac is included.
 
I'd sure as hell buy one. I've been waiting for a MacBook air with a little more power; this would be it. I'm not holding my breath for it so soon, though.
 
My next Mac purchase will be winter 2012 and this is good news that the choices will be pretty good. I may go for my first iMac since it is likely to be as fast as a 2 year in arrears Pro and have more add-on capacity than a laptop.

I may also get a 13" retina pro if they don't get rid of the main external add-on features I need.

The current model 13 and 15 inch MBP seem to be the EOL transition units that do "everything".

Rocketman
 
I would sell my soul for a retina 13" with a dedicated gfx card.

Anyway the new MacBook Air 13" is an awesome machine, super fast, light and with a great display!

I'd sell mine for retina display on the iMac sometime this year. At a price I can justify, of course.
 
I hope they throw in a gfx card in there. It will be more powerful than the 15 inch and it will have 1/10 of the battery life! I think that it might be while until we see the 13 inch rMBPs. They need to let Intel's integrated graphics advance some.
 
I hope they have the good sence to keep the standard MacBook Pro or they may loose a lot of customers who do not need a high-priced resolution display.
 
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