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A 650M should be able to get in there since that optical drive is gone.

If Apple shaves 0.2" off the height and dumps so-DIMM RAM (soldering the RAM to the motherboard to save height) then probably not.

The height drop actually just throws away a portion of the "saved" DVD space to lower weight (overall system is thinner so therefore weighs less as case is smaller). Soldered RAM takes up more horizontal space than DIMMs do. The display will require a bigger battery and also will have displaced battery pack space from the lower portions due to the height reduction. Finally, it isn't just the 650M. Need space for the 650M's VRAM ( likely already soaked up by the soldered RAM. ), Display Port switch, and for additional cooling solutions.

If look at the MBPr 15" motherboard there isn't much space to be saved.

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The MBPr 13" will be less wide you either you need to make that board narrower and taller (in respect to the pictures above) or get rid of some of those components to make it narrower with the same height ( in respect to the pictures). In the reduction option, tossing the red box on the top picture and the orange box in the bottom can claw back enough space to make the board about 2" narrower which is what you need.

If make the board taller then making battery section smaller. That really isn't an option. Since the battery section is already smaller since saved volume off with the MBP case height reduction.


If Apple left the height alone and saved the majority of the DVD space for GPU + VRAM + Cooling it is much easier to fit those into a 2" more narrow space . They just don't seem likely to do that. They are going to be out to chuck the DVD , HDD , and Ethernet port and then toss a substantive portion of the saved space away.

Back in the day the PowerBook 12" was taller than the larger screen equivalents. Somewhat for this same reason. Too thin with a smaller screen means going to be making relatively larger volume sacrifices for fixed volume/space components like battery, RAM, GPU, etc.

This is one reason way the MBA has be relatively crippled on RAM capacity versus the MBP offerings including the MBPr (which maxes out at 16GB RAM). Likewise, trailing behind on battery lifetime also (getting better now with lower powered CPU/GPU combinations. )
 
Haven't been following Apple long enough to know, but does that fact that the Refurb Store is empty mean anything?

With respect to new products coming online soon? No.

Yes , that there is either a heavy run on reburb products ( for now a primary source of better prices) or just a relative low rate of return/repair for the moment. Apple doesn't "manage" refurb sales so there is always something to sell. They just sell what they get.

You can see refurbs disappear quickly if folks think some "feature" is going to be taken away and folks need a machine with that type, but don't have money to buy new.

May also see a blimp when Apple is doing a quarter close of inventory. If there is some hocus pocus Apple can do to get a bigger tax deduction, they'll take it.
 
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If they make the effective resolution still 1280x800, no sale. That is the single mot baffling thing to me about the 13" Pro- why can we have a higher resolution in the 13" Air, but not the "professional" machine?

H, that, and also no sale if they won't let me run full resolution. I don't need apple telling me what desktop resolution is "best" for me.

If you start with the resolution of the 15" rMBP and backtrack, it all makes sense. Assume the resolution of the 15" rMBP is limited by display availability, cost and graphic card performance. That means that in 'optimal mode' (pixel doubling) it is 900 x 1440. Which means the standard resolution of the non-retina MBP also has to be 900 x 1440 because people would be miffed if switching to the 15" rMBP from the non-retina 15" MBP would lead to less real-estate [in optimal mode]. This means the 13" MBP cannot have a resolution of 900 (in the vertical direction) because it has to be different from the 15" models.
 
Apple can't deliver the 15" yet

I can't even get the 15" MBP I ordered a month ago,,,maybe that's why. They are busy making all the 13-inch MBP's. Ha

I'm heading to apple to cancel my order. :rolleyes:
 
I'd love to see a 13" rMBP, but it seems a little early to put them out this year. I think we'll be seeing enough new stuff this Fall to push this back. (Though it'll inevitably happen soon after)
 
Forgive me if anyone else has already suggested this, But has anyone considered that apple may actually include a discrete graphics card in the 13"?

They removed the superdrive and HD and switched to flash drives their might be room for one, though I haven't looked at a tear down of the 15 inch, but considering the price hike on the 15 inch for retina, and the assumed price hike on the 13 inch, maybe they will put something that can at least equal the 15 incher as taxed as it is.
 
As much as I would love a RD on my MacBook Pro, it is an Early 2011 model so unless there would be some significant changes, I don't see myself selling the current laptop and getting the new MBPR-13".

What the heck does that mean? What would be significant for you? Retina not enough? What do you need? Gold plated bezel with all the ports missing from the 15" MBPR but in a 13 housing?
 
Forgive me if anyone else has already suggested this, But has anyone considered that apple may actually include a discrete graphics card in the 13"?

They removed the superdrive and HD and switched to flash drives their might be room for one, though I haven't looked at a tear down of the 15 inch, but considering the price hike on the 15 inch for retina, and the assumed price hike on the 13 inch, maybe they will put something that can at least equal the 15 incher as taxed as it is.

+99% of the time the 15" is running on the HD4000 anyway. In day to day use a 13" without a dGPU would be the same or better.
 
By removing the HDD and Optical Drive I would imagine a dedicated GPU can be thrown in there, no?

They could, if asus has managed to do it in a 11in ultra book, IDK why apple couldn't do it for the 13in MBP. Of course there will be battery concerns. But I think apple will sort it all out as they always do.
 
its rumored that the 13" retina pro will be powered by the HD 4000 only.

the single thing that should distinguish macbook pros from the Air is discrete graphics cards. If the 13" retina pro doesnt have a discrete graphics card it shouldnt be labeled pro. Same thing with the current line of pros - that 13" should be able to fit a graphics card no problem I don't see why apple is only putting it in the 15".

personally, I think the retina display (while beautiful for optimized apps), is ultimately a fail and a distraction.

Exactly. And if they are determined to use an integrated GPU, the least they could do is look at using AMD APU's.
 
:cool: I want my black on black retina air macbook :cool:

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:cool: I want my black on black retina air macbook :cool:
 
October is too late for me. I need one for school now.

How much do you guys think it'll weigh? I'm guessing 3.9 lbs, which is kinda heavy.

Kinda heavy? Then maybe they should build one out of balsa wood!!
 
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