Apple's 2016 iPhone Update to Focus on Headphone Jack Removal, Major Changes Won't Come Until 2017

[Kid Red]

I can't believe this rumor. I don't how the same form factor just thinner, no headphone jack and no BT earbuds with a nicer camera will be enough to keep sales from sliding. Apple isn't that dumb, they'd it planned out well beforehand and would be well aware of the materials and tech that they want to implement way in advance to shipping a product. Apple doesn't add in new tech to their product line just to be hip, they wait for it to be stable and mature. They also wouldn't risk the bottom line on taking such chances as they don't really take chances. Neither would the stockholders.

If the screen tech wasn't ready this year, Apple already knew that. I doubt this is a stop gap until a brand new awesome iPhone. This is just the wrong time, will sales declining, to release a product that isn't the best of the best with awesome new features and design. The iPhone isn't a macbook or iMac that will last for years with the same design. Apple needs to sell you and I a new phone every year, or every two at most. I don't see this stopgap phone rumor being accurate.

 

[Crzyrio]

If it took 20 minutes you don't have much on there and there is no way you use your phone enough to make that 20 minutes back by saving those very occasional fractions of a second when doing something on your phone.

No, what's ridiculous is you thinking a faster CPU is innovation. Tell me, what was the last product you ran across that had a slower CPU/GPU then it's predecessor? Please tell me how something that is fully expected from every single new product ever created that uses a CPU or GPU is somehow innovative when Apple does it?

Your phone is automatically backed up every day, all you have to do is restore the backup before bed and it will be ready in the morning? :S Music is also synced wirelessly as long as your in the house, and photos are synced to the cloud and to your macbook. 20 minutes is actually a lot, it could easily be done in less than 10 minutes of setup time to have your phone fully functional and then music and large files synced in the background.

It is not about just faster it is about how fast. The iPhone processor and gpu speeds have increased exponentially since birth while we have intel processor actually plateauing and speed increase mostly coming from an increase in processor count.

The fact that you can see a delay when simply loading apps between the 6 and 6s, alone shows the speed difference between the two. This will only compound when doing other task. It is not about faster but how much faster.

Would love to know what you consider innovation in the past few years

EDIT: Other bonus of upgrading to 6s, faster WiFi speeds. Sync's become faster, transfers\access to and from my LAN server are faster. The only time I need to physically plug in my iPhone is for xCode.

 

[libmanj]

As to your last point, just what is the percentage of customers who chose to use the wired headphone jack on their iPhones? A recent survey of 1.000 Apple Store customers suggests it's not much at all, and as we all know Apple doesn't cater to niche markets.

Link to this survey?

I am under no impression that people that use wired headphones with their iPhones are a niche group. You would need to provide some serious data to really make that claim.

 

[Gix1k]

All this did was make me stick with my 6S+ and wait for the 2017 phone.

 

[Tycho24]

Not everyone wants to be tethered to their computers.

Metal is a software API, introduced in iOS 8. The motion coprocessor wasn't innovative it was just more efficient by doing in hardware what they've already done in software. A natural progression of technology, much like faster processors are. They later incorporated that into the actual CPU instead of having a separate chip. Another natural progression of technology, particularly since these are called SoC's.

Well, it sounds like you've already convinced yourself, lol.
& there is just NO changing your mind that there can't be any processor or processor related technology that can be deemed even slightly "innovative". Sounds like a hard line, but hey- people have their own opinions.
I, for one, think that cool innovations in that particular hardware space occur at LEAST every several years. I believe that buying the reference designs & tweaking them specifically to your hardware (something I have yet to see an Android OEM do), is also innovative.
I thought terraced batteries were innovative, I thought the idea of a secure enclave in a processor for the purpose of payments was innovative, etc.
We just have VASTLY different opinions on what's "innovative" in hardware.

 

[Mac 128]

Link to this survey?

I am under no impression that people that use wired headphones with their iPhones are a niche group. You would need to provide some serious data to really make that claim.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

And likewise you would need to provide some serious data to make the claim otherwise. You are basing your opinions on your anecdotal "impression", not data of any kind.

That said, don't misrepresent the spirit of what I wrote -- the survey points to a small number of iPhone users who would be imposition by the loss of the headphone jack -- so I'm not saying they represent a niche group yet, merely that Apple doesn't cater to niche groups, and if these numbers prove accurate for the broader market, then they will only get smaller once the jack is removed and customers are put in a position to make new choices.

 

[calzon65]

So the main new feature of the phone will be the removal of something useful.

Yep, removing one of the most ubiquitous and useful standards in the quest to shave a few microns from the phone is moronic. Apple is wrong making this change.

 

[Cosmosent]

This year's Live Photos-like surprise will be "Wide Color Capture," and it has the potential to be a VERY BIG deal ... It will only be supported on the iPhone 7 and 7s, as well as the existing 9.7" iPad Pro ... It has the potential to be perceived as "the key new feature" of the iPhone 7 and 7s !

 

[Artemis70]

OK, as the phone provider for the entire family I say this;

1- Removing the headphone Jack abandons $1,200 worth of Bose noise cancelling headphones, don't talk to me about stupid adapters, We want to listen and charge at the same time. We have Podcasters who like external Mics, that would be abandoned, I have other tools like wind meters that would be useless.

Same here. Three Bose noise cancelling headphones that would have to work through stupid adapters. This is a no go.

 

[MH01]

They have already clearified why they are skipping a year. The materials/technology needed to build the 2017 iPhone are not ready yet and they needed more time. Apple has released a new iPhone every year since launch, if they decided to skip a year and not release a new model their stock would take a massive hit.

Is there a source for this clarification ?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Could somebody please start making some sub 5" high quality android phones?

I may need one at some point after my SE

 

[dk001]

Could somebody please start making some sub 5" high quality android phones?

I may need one at some point after my SE

You can get a 5" Android device that is no bigger than the SE. Bezel size.

 

[cynics]

Lol @ 10th anniversary. I can't believe people are daft enough to buy into that. People grasp so hard at things to hold onto. Every update has and will always be incremental, its more subjective than anything but a phone is a phone.

 

[Sakurambo-kun]

Nilay Patel on The Verge wrote a good piece on the stupidity of removing the headphone jack, it's worth a read.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea.../iphone-no-headphone-jack-user-hostile-stupid

 

[Loge]

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

And likewise you would need to provide some serious data to make the claim otherwise. You are basing your opinions on your anecdotal "impression", not data of any kind.

That said, don't misrepresent the spirit of what I wrote -- the survey points to a small number of iPhone users who would be imposition by the loss of the headphone jack -- so I'm not saying they represent a niche group yet, merely that Apple doesn't cater to niche groups, and if these numbers prove accurate for the broader market, then they will only get smaller once the jack is removed and customers are put in a position to make new choices.

Even taking the poll at face value, 19% of iOS users is many millions; that is not close to being a niche group.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

Yep, removing one of the most ubiquitous and useful standards in the quest to shave a few microns from the phone is moronic. Apple is wrong making this change.

But it will be waterproof....

Not sure about that angle. There are enough options here for those who want to do in the water shooting...and better at it imo. Go Pro among them says hi. Or other dedicated cameras with housing options available. Pricey potentially, yes...but under water shooters/videographers I know swear by these options. If only because that housing once done being used is just a remove and rinse that off. Makes sense to me....I just do seawall/beach landscape photography as a hobby. Even just sea spray has me do a fair bit of pm after. that not even submersion. Not water getting in little areas like say volume control, silent switch, connector a phone would have.

 

[Mac 128]

Even taking the poll at face value, 19% of iOS users is many millions; that is not a niche group.

Semantics. 19% is not a large enough group for which Apple is going to change its plans. And once the headphone jack is gone, I'd suggest that number will only shrink as some of those customers explore other audio options available (as opposed to continue to use the 3.5mm jack via an adapter).

 

[dk001]

Even taking the poll at face value, 19% of iOS users is many millions; that is not close to being a niche group.

That kind of a poll is used for a market check, not to determine what the average user would / would not want.

 

[Loge]

That kind of a poll is used for a market check, not to determine what the average user would / would not want.

Exactly. It has no credibility for this at all. It's just going up to a bunch of busy shoppers, asking questions without them having time to consider the implications.

 

[cynics]

But it will be waterproof....

Not sure about that angle. There are enough options here for those who want to do in the water shooting...and better at it imo. Go Pro among them says hi. Or other dedicated cameras with housing options available. Pricey potentially, yes...but under water shooters/videographers I know swear by these options. If only because that housing once done being used is just a remove and rinse that off. Makes sense to me....I just do seawall/beach landscape photography as a hobby. Even just sea spray has me do a fair bit of pm after. that not even submersion. Not water getting in little areas like say volume control, silent switch, connector a phone would have.

Competition has already done water proof with an exposed (not capped) headphone jack.....

 

[2IS]

Your phone is automatically backed up every day, all you have to do is restore the backup before bed and it will be ready in the morning? :S Music is also synced wirelessly as long as your in the house, and photos are synced to the cloud and to your macbook. 20 minutes is actually a lot, it could easily be done in less than 10 minutes of setup time to have your phone fully functional and then music and large files synced in the background.

It is not about just faster it is about how fast. The iPhone processor and gpu speeds have increased exponentially since birth while we have intel processor actually plateauing and speed increase mostly coming from an increase in processor count.

The fact that you can see a delay when simply loading apps between the 6 and 6s, alone shows the speed difference between the two. This will only compound when doing other task. It is not about faster but how much faster.

Would love to know what you consider innovation in the past few years

EDIT: Other bonus of upgrading to 6s, faster WiFi speeds. Sync's become faster, transfers\access to and from my LAN server are faster. The only time I need to physically plug in my iPhone is for xCode.

I'm not comparing the first iPhone to a 6S, obviously there is a huge difference there. I'm comparing 6 to 6S and potentially 6S to 7. You haven't saved the time you're deluding yourself to think you have. But hey, if you believe it and it makes you happy, keep it up.

The funny thing is you could have at least brought up something like force touch and live photos as an innovative feature, but the 6S is so lacking in innovation that it slipped by you and all you could do was completely dilute the meaning of the word by applying it to a processor that's marginally faster and hardly noticeable in day to day usage.

 

[Crzyrio]

I'm not comparing the first iPhone to a 6S, obviously there is a huge difference there. I'm comparing 6 to 6S and potentially 6S to 7. You haven't saved the time you're deluding yourself to think you have. But hey, if you believe it and it makes you happy, keep it up.

The funny thing is you could have at least brought up something like force touch and live photos as an innovative feature, but the 6S is so lacking in innovation that it slipped by you and all you could do was completely dilute the meaning of the word by applying it to a processor that's marginally faster and hardly noticeable in day to day usage.

Neither am I, I am just saying that Apple is still able to get exponential speed growth out of their processors year over year.

That means that the speed difference between the 6 and 6s is larger than or the same as the speed difference between the 6 and 5s and so on. Which is not something easy to do as we approach the laws of physics without increasing processor count.

If you read my earlier post, I did mention that their 3D Touch implementation is innovative. Live Photos is not so much innovative but implemented right.

I am not trying to state that going from the 6 to 6s is saving me any time lol. It might be but I am not counting. I am simply saying that there is a big enough difference to notice the speed difference.

Apple never made processors prior to the iPhone so for them to be making such huge leaps year after year is astonishing. All while doing things that puts them on the same level as companies that have been draining processors for decades longer than them. It saddens me Bhatt no one appreciates this. Go read some of the chip work teardown And try to understand the things they are doing.

When I have time this week, I will run some of the applications and show you the processor load difference.

 

[Mac 128]

Exactly. It has no credibility for this at all. It's just going up to a bunch of busy shoppers, asking questions without them having time to consider the implications.

Please do show me any study that confirms that even a majority of people using the iPhone are also using wired 3.5mm headphones, especially one that's conducted to your standard of "credibility". I'm happy to see an opposing data viewpoint. 1000 people at an Apple store are a pretty good sample size, whether or not they took the time to consider every implication such a move would have on their lives. When such a sample starts at 19% who are definitely using wired headphones, even reasonably adjusting for everyone who might change their answer given more time to weigh the impact on their lives, I can't see that figure growing by a significant amount.

 

[maxsix]

Apple innovation is completely gone.

Yes indeed.

Sadly it's not because Apple can't innovate...

It's because Apple's addiction to profit and profit taking, has remained their highest priority. Having trained their customers to sit and stay like a well trained dog, Apple devotees will put up with any stunt the company pulls.

Apple exploits the customer for profits.

 

[jamesrick80]

I'm not comparing the first iPhone to a 6S, obviously there is a huge difference there. I'm comparing 6 to 6S and potentially 6S to 7. You haven't saved the time you're deluding yourself to think you have. But hey, if you believe it and it makes you happy, keep it up.

The funny thing is you could have at least brought up something like force touch and live photos as an innovative feature, but the 6S is so lacking in innovation that it slipped by you and all you could do was completely dilute the meaning of the word by applying it to a processor that's marginally faster and hardly noticeable in day to day usage.

No one really cared for forced touch or live photos...now that iOS 10 is coming, i guess 3D touch has a definite place on the iphone...there were applications already that did live photos so thats not innovation.