Another in the long line of connectivity improvements that demonstrate how ridiculous this policy is.
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Apple's 2018 iPhones Support T-Mobile's 600MHz LTE Spectrum for Improved LTE Performance
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They’re not related in any way though. This is the equivalent of saying ‘they added a gold color option so they should now support iOS upgrades over cellular.’
Literally everyone knows that statement is ridiculous and absurd. They’re also now laughing at you. Well done.
I know it’s ridiculous and absurd. So is what you’re saying. That was the point. Explain to me how LTE band 71 support for a single wireless carrier in a single country is related to iOS updates over cellular.
This is great! My only complaint with T-Mobile is the spotty service inside hotel ballrooms where I typically work. It will be great to have reliable service via the new band
Quite simply, it improves the speed and quality of downloads. These are the two main reasons Apple gives for not allowing iOS updates over cellular.
When 5G rolls out, I’ll say the same thing. Frankly, many T-Mobile users get broadband level connectivity already, and most in metropolitan areas of the US. They’re running out of excuses.
Again, this is one carrier in one country. Why would Apple change their global policy against cellular iOS updates because of that?
I understand you’re frustrated but these two things are just not correlated.
But they are. How are improving networks not correlated with a policy based on the capability of networks???
T-Mobile makes me sick. Switched to them last year to take advantage of a BOGO and reception is horrible. I am in a mid-septembet metro area and there are numerous places I get zero reception. This includes wide open areas and just boggles my mind. Not to mention indoors where reception cuts off completely...still. Was a Verizon subscriber for almost 20 years, can't wait for a new deal so I can go back.
Love what T-Mobile claims to do and their company, but their cell service does not live up to the hype in any way.
Love what T-Mobile claims to do and their company, but their cell service does not live up to the hype in any way.
I don’t know how to make this any more clear. Apple doesn’t allow anyone on any carrier in the world to download iOS updates over cellular. Why would they change their whole policy because the number three carrier in the US added some additional spectrum capacity?
Wow. It’s a bad policy based on old assumptions. Those assumptions are being eroded away. This is one example of that. Therefore, as developments like this occur, their policy foundations should be revisited and their policies revised.
I think you're missing what he's saying entirely...
You can lump in all 4 US carriers to this even now that they've all returned to Unlimited plans.
What does adding 1 new service band to the phone have to do with updates over cellular? Whatsoever?
Certainly, all 4 major US carriers could do it, and could do it minus band 71... but it's a global policy. The "global" part of that being the entire point...
I'm stunned I'm even still having this conversation. It should be crystal clear by now that my point is simply this (yes, using a bit of hyperbole because after all it's just MacRumors):
Apple has repeatedly said its rationale for this policy is that cellular service is (has been) essentially too slow and unreliable to update system critical files on the fly. They're too big and package verification is too important. This clearly implies that broadband-level cellular service is all that's necessary for this policy to be revoked.
In both the US and many parts of the world, including Europe, ALL networks currently provide broadband-level service to many if not most people. The new band for T-Mobile will FURTHER IMPROVE speed and reliability for T-Mobile, which already is essentially tied with Verizon for speed and reliability. Moreover, when 5G hits THIS YEAR AND NEXT, many people will never pay for wi-fi again (note that Verizon Wireless believes in 5G so much they're actually launching IN THE HOME before launching with mobile devices).
The new T-Mobile band is an example of the ongoing erosion of the basis for Apple's policy, which is restrictive for many users now, and with 5G in the coming MONTHS (not years) will become perhaps entirely disqualifying. There will be a tipping point very soon where Apple must acknowledge its policy is based on outdated information and is no longer necessary or indeed beneficial.
No. I don't think one new T-Mobile band necessarily requires a revocation of this policy. If I even said that, I was clearly exaggerating to make the point I make here and have made in several posts now.
I mean honestly - did you not see my point?
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So, like I said earlier, you’re frustrated about this policy and you’re just looking for any excuse to rant about it.
Really? A rant? No. It's a valid point you failed to see. You asked, "what does a new band for T-mobile have to do with a global iOS updating only on wifi policy?" My answer was, it's an example of progress that further reduces the need for the policy. A genuinely lucid, rational and logical point. Any intelligent person would see that.
LTE service in Europe is hardly as ubiquitous as you think. Then there's the rest of the world as well that they sell their product.
Yes, your conclusion that band 71 is included, ergo, updates over cellular should be allowed globally *is* that stupid of a conclusion to draw. You can look at these coverage maps for these other countries any time you want to view this... OpenSignal even has crowdsourced maps globally. Not every country is Japan or Korea for coverage... not even the US.
If you really want it that bad... tether to someone elses phone, then return the favor for them... voila, wifi.
This is awesome! I wanted to "upgrade" from the X to the cheaper XR- and getting better indoor reception will totally be worth it.
Yes, that would be stupid, which is why I never concluded it. I only commented on a tangential but related point, which you guys for some reason didn't feel warranted discussion in this thread.
BTW, you can't tether the iPhone to another mobile device to defeat the wifi restriction (however, some might point out that you could perhaps use tethering to download the package to a Mac - maybe a PC, not sure - and use iTunes to update the device, though I've never tried it). If you could, my point wouldn't be at all valid, but you can't.
Moreover, obviously nobody's saying kill the ability to use wifi. Those who can and choose to use it (or must use it because they have no or poor cellular coverage) go ahead. However, some have perfectly useable super-fast cellular (e.g., I get 50 Mbps at my home) and so they choose not to waste money on broadband/wifi. Moreover, particularly with the Verizon Wireless 5G example, some people won't have the ability to avoid cellular data, even if they're connecting initially with wifi, so sometime soon, with the development of faster, more reliable networks - which the new band helps with - Apple will need to make this an option.
We've beaten this horse to death.