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Then on top of the app problem, Apple has just not nailed the interface for semi-advanced users. I struggle to understand some of the multitasking options - my mother, who exclusively uses her iPad, has to my knowledge never knowingly used split view.
Most everything is obvious now with the three-dot menu at the top of the screen. If you want to see open windows in the current app, just tap the dots. Then you can switch to another one or close it etc. If you want split screen you just need to tap the dots and choose which side you want the current app and choose a second app. There are even text prompts if you wait a few seconds. It is much easier. Don't even try the gestures, just use the menu.
 
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Probably not unless you get a good deal on one. I always recommend buying new whenever possible, but in the case of the M1 iPad Pros in particular, they are so future proof, it doesn’t matter what comes down the pipe in the next couple years software wise, they will be able to handle it no problem. Remember, the M1 processor was blowing away the 2019 16” MacBook Pro i9 in certain tasks. It’s a substantial leap forward in processing and GPU performance which is why so many of us were bummed with the total lackluster iPadOS 15 release. Unleash the iPad Pro already. An M2 and camera relocate aren’t going to wow anyone if the software doesn’t get majorly updated in several key areas.
the miniled screen for iPP 11" is significant reason to wait and it is 99% sure iPP 11" will get the new screen.
 
The refresh this device needs is on the software side exclusively, except for the need to move the forward-facing camera to one of the landscape sides.
yep i have never once used my ipad pro 2018 portrait mode, it has always been horizontal with keyboard and apple pencil
 
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Who uses a camera on an iPad? And you can get center stage on a $499 mini.
i dont care of the back cameras, but I do care of the selfie camera (for FT calls) and i do miss center stage on my iPP 2020.. i look fw to having it in the my next purchase..
 
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i dont care of the back cameras, but I do care of the selfie camera (for FT calls) and i do miss center stage on my iPP 2020.. i look fw to having it in the my next purchase..
I should have been more clear, obviously the front-camera is useful. I just question how many people use the rear-camera. I can see someone like a contractor or a real-estate agent using it but average people not much. Having an improved rear-camera doesn't seem like it would be very compelling.
 
I plan to replace my 2020 iPP 11" with the 2022 version, so personally looking fw to it

My Wishlist:
hardware:
  • miniled for 11"
  • selfie camera on the longer edge
  • two usb c (TB4) connectors
  • 16GB memory option regardless of storage options
  • wifi 6e
software:
  • external monitor support (maybe even dock an iPP and use external monitor with mouse/keyboard full screen)
  • proper files app with access to photos
  • guest account
  • Final cut pro

Plus one:
I would love to buy a base iPad 12.9” for my parents. Nothing fancy needed, just a bigger screen for FaceTime and media consumption..
 
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the miniled screen for iPP 11" is significant reason to wait and it is 99% sure iPP 11" will get the new screen.
Do you currently have an iPad Pro? If so, what year is it? If you have a 2018/2020 iPad Pro 11”, I’d hold off on buying the M1 iPad Pro 11” just to see what the 11” model gets (mini LED) this year. If they don’t add the mini LED to the 11”, keep the one you have. The M1 is amazing as is the RAM increase, but those are not going to be very noticeable in day to day usage between the 2021 and 2018 11” iPad Pros. The 2021 iPad Pro 11 was not a very compelling upgrade for anyone with a 2018/2020 model. I had the 12.9 2018 model and I can 100% notice a big difference with miniLED on my 2021, and I use a lot of different apps throughout the day for school/personal, so I have noticed the difference in RAM from my 2018 to the 2021, but everything else is not that noticeable at all, especially day to day speed.
 
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Who uses a camera on an iPad?

Augmented reality applications rely on the back camera. Interior design apps, any kind of project planning app with a walkthrough checklist, AR games, and I can't tell you how many competitive events I've been at where people have held up their iPads to record what's going on to watch immediately on the bigger screen rather than use their possibly-better-camera iPhone and then AirDrop to themselves.
 
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Do you currently have an iPad Pro? If so, what year is it? If you have a 2018/2020 iPad Pro 11”, I’d hold off on buying the M1 iPad Pro 11” just to see what the 11” model gets (mini LED) this year. If they don’t add the mini LED to the 11”, keep the one you have. The M1 is amazing as is the RAM increase, but those are not going to be very noticeable in day to day usage between the 2021 and 2018 11” iPad Pros. The 2021 iPad Pro 11 was not a very compelling upgrade for anyone with a 2018/2020 model. I had the 12.9 2018 model and I can 100% notice a big difference with miniLED on my 2021, and I use a lot of different apps throughout the day for school/personal, so I have noticed the difference in RAM from my 2018 to the 2021, but everything else is not that noticeable at all, especially day to day speed.
I guess I answered your question in different post a bit above. I have 2020 iPP 11” and plan to buy the 2022 iPP 11”..
 
I'm really not enjoying / appreciating Face ID on the iPad as much as I did Touch ID....my thumb is always in the wrong place at the wrong time! :confused:

I'm left-handed and that means my hand is usually hovering in the air on the left...over the Face ID because all the cases you can buy are laid out to have it on the left. This mostly stops it from working.

I have had to start dipping my left hand or learn to be right-handed with an iPad, at least with the unlocking, the same as I learned to be right-handed with a mouse when my family bought its first computer in 1991.
 
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I should have been more clear, obviously the front-camera is useful. I just question how many people use the rear-camera. I can see someone like a contractor or a real-estate agent using it but average people not much. Having an improved rear-camera doesn't seem like it would be very compelling.
I used it today to scan a QR code. I’ve used it to scan in documents for OCR before.
 
As it sits, anyone with a 2018/2020/2021 iPad Pro has no real reason to upgrade unless iPadOS has some bigger changes.
The screen on the 2021 iPP 12.9 is a marvel you can only truly appreciate in direct comparison to the predecessor. That screen alone can be a reason for some to upgrade from a 2018/2020.

For those with an eye for the finer details, rendering a website also seems to happen instantly, where the 2020 has an ever-so-slight delay.

For both examples applies: Once you got used to it, you can’t go back.
 
The screen on the 2021 iPP 12.9 is a marvel you can only truly appreciate in direct comparison to the predecessor. That screen alone can be a reason for some to upgrade from a 2018/2020.

For those with an eye for the finer details, rendering a website also seems to happen instantly, where the 2020 has an ever-so-slight delay.

For both examples applies: Once you got used to it, you can’t go back.
I do agree with this. I set my 2021 12.9 up next to my wife’s 2018 12.9 (as she rolls her eyes lol) and play the same HDR content and it‘s incredible how much more vibrant the display on the 2021 is. Especially blacks. It really is a fantastic display and blooming is something I got used to fairly quickly. It’s a non issue if there’s any ambient light in the room.
 
I should have been more clear, obviously the front-camera is useful. I just question how many people use the rear-camera. I can see someone like a contractor or a real-estate agent using it but average people not much. Having an improved rear-camera doesn't seem like it would be very compelling.

As a teacher, I use it pretty often.

1) scanning documents and QR codes. Lots of feedback during meetings is collated via QR codes and it’s easier to type out a longer response on my iPad (with Smart Keyboard) than my phone.

2) taking photos and videos. For example, I mount my iPad on a stand and use it to record my students doing a presentation. Makes for easier editing in LumaFusion later because I don’t have to transfer it over from my phone.

3) have also used it to record lessons during home based lessons over the last two years, and using it in class as a makeshift visualiser. Imagine something like this but with an iPad in place of the phone.
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4) also great for taking photos of slides while note taking.

Perhaps I am the atypical user, but I wouldn’t say no to a better camera.
 
Holding out for OLED.

I tried the new XDR display, I really tried to over-look its MAJOR fault but I couldn't... I returned the 5th gen iPad Pro within the 14 day window.

The blooming to me is absolutely horrendous. It makes the iPad unusable in any dim to dark environment. Even with the brightness turned down, little squares of white blooming were all over.

After spending $2k for the device, magic keyboard, pen and AppleCare; I just couldn't overlook how poor it looked at night. In bright light and as a second travel monitor for my MacBook Pro it was fantastic. But I know that level of pure garbage for screen display tech will not last forever at Apple. I'll be first in line for an OLED iPad Pro. I'll suffer on without one for now.
 
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Who uses a camera on an iPad? And you can get center stage on a $499 mini.
My daughters use it all the time, filming each other and friends dancing and stuff, and can then immediately review it on a large screen. They prefer it over using their phones for the purpose, as do I in the dojo, filming people with with the iPad and then immediately reviewing their performance on the 12.9” screen. It’s super useful.
 
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I returned the 5th gen iPad Pro within the 14 day window.

The blooming to me is absolutely horrendous. It makes the iPad unusable in any dim to dark environment. Even with the brightness turned down, little squares of white blooming were all over.

[…] But I know that level of pure garbage for screen display tech will not last forever at Apple.
Just to add another anecdotal data point: I can’t confirm your observations on my device. The 2021 iPP screen is gorgeous, especially in dim/dark environments. It’s really difficult to find the blooming in normal use (in fact the only time I can clearly see it is during startup of XCom 2).

That screen is a technological marvel, which is very obvious when watched next to the predecessor. Yes, there can be blooming, but it is rare and not visible during normal use. Maybe there is a quality variance, depending on the screen supplier of the individual iPad, but the problem is definitely NOT originating from the general technical design of the screen.

If anything is to criticize, it’d be Apple’s QC, which may be too generous when evaluating suppliers and their products, in order to secure the required amount of parts.
 
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It’s not new technology. OLED TVs have come way down in price.

Perhaps it’s the burn in issues.
The medium size panels like iPads are still more expensive than similar LCD panels. Manufacturing methods, volumes, and costs are very different for TV-size vs tablet-size vs phone-size screens. It's hard to compare one to the other.
 
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The medium size panels like iPads are still more expensive than similar LCD panels. Manufacturing methods, volumes, and costs are very different for TV-size vs tablet-size vs phone-size screens. It's hard to compare one to the other.
Sure, but if OLED panels are cheap enough for wide spread cell phone use and cheap enough to be popular for TVs, it’s difficult to motivate why production would be problematic for the intermediate panel size specifically.
 
Sure, but if OLED panels are cheap enough for wide spread cell phone use and cheap enough to be popular for TVs, it’s difficult to motivate why production would be problematic for the intermediate panel size specifically.
There are of course also quality differences between OLED and OLED. A good quality OLED TV still costs easily double or triple the price of TV‘s with standard display technology. Those are not popular because of the price, but despite the price - because image quality is amazing! And despite some disadvantages in comparison to more traditional display technologies, such as burn-in risk, lower maximum brightness, higher complexity circuitry to fight things like burn-in and increased wear.

I think that production for „intermediate“ size panels is problematic (cost-wise), because of economies of scale. The smallest OLED TV‘s are somewhere in the forty-something inch diagonal ballpark and thus much bigger than the „measly“ 12.9 of an iPad Pro.

Small displays for watches and embedded displays on the other hand are way too small to be used even in an iPad mini.

Therefore it would require to erect a production line specifically for tablets, which comes with high costs for a comparatively small number of panels that could be sold. Those panels would then have to be over-proportionally expensive to recover the initial cost and thus would not be commercially viable. Even Apple customers already question the need for 4-digit prices on a tablet like the iPP 12.9. Doing this tablet in OLED might quickly increase the price by 50-100%.
 
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