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2025? I used to be a big fan of apple, but their products are falling so far behind the competition it’s crazy. Asus has way better OLED products already and it’s 2023. I was in Best Buy today looking at the laptops and there are plenty of laptops that surpass apples look now.

I feel like apple is on borrowed time. Nothing they have is that cool anymore.
I'm sorry, is Asus making tablets with OLED displays? No? Any mainstream Android tablets that even come close? Oh, no again? So who is Apple behind again in the mobile space? (Yes, I know their OLED displays are on laptops, that's kind of the point. You're comparing apples - no pun intended - to oranges)

Or the silicon space, since they no longer rely on outdated chips from Intel?

I don't even like MacBooks, and I can still see this "assessment" as of Apple products as a whole is... not well thought out.
 
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Current specs
  • 11-inch (diagonal) LED backlit Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology
  • 12.9-inch (diagonal) mini-LED backlit Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology
So the first question is do both the 11" and 12.9" need OLED? Does the OLED really cost that much more than a mini-LED? You already have the 14.2" Mini-LED M1 Pro MBP not that expensive, does the M2 12.9" iPad Pro say using a larger 14.2" screen make it really that much more expensive?
I'm guessing there's a much steeper trade off in battery life beyond a certain point. Laptops, generally speaking, have more battery to feed to a display.

As far as cost, Apple is pushing for more advanced displays and manufacturing techniques, so initial cost of entry is bound to be pretty steep from a manufacturing perspective.
 
Fair point, but do keep in mind that the vast majority of people are not affected by PWM in the vast majority of scenarios. It’s a real problem but it’s not universal and I don’t know how you got the twenty times figure.
I just did what Apple does on its performance comparison charts. I inferred arbitrary targets on the Y axis from guesstimates on the X axis.
 
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"OLED displays are more efficient than mini-LED displays, especially with the dual-stack technology that Apple plans to use. We can expect improved battery life on the OLED-equipped iPad Pro models, and it could facilitate always-on display technology on the iPad.

OLED technology can have downsides like burn-in and issues with maximum brightness, but Apple is using technology that will mitigate these problems. Unfortunately, it could make the first iPad Pro models much pricier.

Apple is rumored to be aiming for "unrivaled" image quality, as well as a design that cuts down on the thickness and weight of the iPad display."


Ok so if we are to believe all these things about OLED on the iPad, then how are we supposed to believe this other rumor that says Apple is abandoning OLED for microLED on the Apple Watch?...


One of these rumors has to be completely false... or possibly both. Apple rumors have gotten so stupid!
 
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"OLED displays are more efficient than mini-LED displays, especially with the dual-stack technology that Apple plans to use. We can expect improved battery life on the OLED-equipped iPad Pro models, and it could facilitate always-on display technology on the iPad.

OLED technology can have downsides like burn-in and issues with maximum brightness, but Apple is using technology that will mitigate these problems. Unfortunately, it could make the first iPad Pro models much pricier.

Apple is rumored to be aiming for "unrivaled" image quality, as well as a design that cuts down on the thickness and weight of the iPad display."


Ok so if we are to believe all these things about OLED on the iPad, then how are we supposed to believe this other rumor that says Apple is abandoning OLED for microLED on the Apple Watch?...


One of these rumors has to be completely false... or possibly both. Apple rumors have gotten so stupid!
I would say that these two things could both be true because Micro-LED will be much more expensive to manufacture, and best suited to smaller screens and smaller production runs than OLED (even this 'new' improved dual-layer OLED). I think that even if it were possible to make Micro-LED screens in iPad sizes they would be prohibitively expensive. My belief is that OLED will be a stepping stone until Micro-LED is truly ready for bigger screens at more affordable prices.
Though, even just hearing about this new OLED and potential costs, I don't see why they wouldn't just use Mini-LED on the entire iPad Pro line instead of OLED.
 


Apple is developing OLED technology for the iPad, and the new displays are expected to come to the iPad Pro models as soon as 2024. This guide aggregates everything we know about Apple's plans for the OLED iPad Pro.

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Sizing

Apple is expected to offer the first OLED iPads in sizes that are similar to the current iPad Pro sizes, providing one smaller 11.1-inch model and a larger 13.1-inch model. In the future, OLED iPad models could be as large as 15 inches, but Apple is sticking to smaller screen sizes for now.

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Rumors suggest that Apple supplier BOE is developing OLED displays as large as 15 inches, which could be used for a larger-sized iPad. According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple is considering iPads that exceed 12.9 inches, and in 2021, he claimed that larger sizes were a "couple of years down the road, but could be scrapped all together.

OLED Improvements

Compared to the mini-LED technology that Apple uses for the 12.9-inch iPad Pro at the current time, OLED will bring deeper blacks, faster refresh rates, and improved contrast.

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With an OLED display, the brightness of each pixel can be controlled individually, which means TV shows, movies, and other content that uses high dynamic range lighting will look much more realistic and true-to-life than on a mini-LED display, depending on how high Apple can boost brightness. OLED displays are also known for having better viewing angles than LED displays, but this is of less importance on a tablet-sized device than something like a TV.

OLED displays are more efficient than mini-LED displays, especially with the dual-stack technology that Apple plans to use. We can expect improved battery life on the OLED-equipped iPad Pro models, and it could facilitate always-on display technology on the iPad.

OLED technology can have downsides like burn-in and issues with maximum brightness, but Apple is using technology that will mitigate these problems. Unfortunately, it could make the first iPad Pro models much pricier.

Apple is rumored to be aiming for "unrivaled" image quality, as well as a design that cuts down on the thickness and weight of the iPad display.

M3 Chip Technology

The iPad Pro models coming in 2024 are expected to feature the M3 chip that was first used in the MacBook Pro and iMac models. Built on a 3-nanometer process, the M3 chip has a faster CPU and GPU compared to the M2 chip in the current iPad Pro models.

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Pricing

A March 2023 report from Korean site The Elec suggested that OLED displays will make the iPad Pro models much more expensive. The 11-inch OLED iPad Pro could be priced starting at $1,500, while the 13-inch model could be priced starting at $1,800.

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Right now, the 11-inch iPad Pro is priced starting at $799, while the 12.9-inch model with mini-LED display is priced starting at $1,099.

The cost increase is due to the OLED panels, which cost more to source. Apple is using new production processes that have not yet been combined to create OLED panels of the required size. Display analyst Ross Young has said that Apple's requirements for the screen will lead to a "more expensive OLED panel" than other OLED panels on the market.

Apple is said to want a very thin design using a tandem-stack design, a display manufacturing technique that improves display longevity and efficiency. Dual-stack construction can boost the lifespan of an OLED panel up to 4x, and it also results in higher brightness levels.

Apple is planning to source OLED panels from Samsung and LG Display. Both manufacturers are rumored to be developing two-stack tandem OLED panels specifically for Apple.

MagSafe Charging

The next-generation iPad Pro could potentially include support for MagSafe charging.

Back in 2021, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman said that Apple was considering a glass back for the 2022 ‌iPad Pro‌, allowing for MagSafe wireless charging capabilities. The 2022 ‌iPad Pro‌ models did not feature wireless charging, a glass back, or notable design changes, but it is possible that Apple tabled the feature for a future launch.

Apple could be planning for a glass-backed iPad Pro next year, which would support MagSafe and Qi-based charging. There is also a chance that the ‌MagSafe‌ charging for the ‌iPad‌ that we're hearing about refers to a Mac-like magnetic charger rather than an iPhone-style magnetic charger, but that remains to be seen.

Storage

Apple might offer up to 4TB of storage, which would be double the current 2TB maximum.

New Magic Keyboard

The revamped iPad Pro models with OLED displays will be accompanied by a refreshed version of the Magic Keyboard that includes a larger trackpad to make the iPad Pro look more like a laptop than the current model.

Apple Pencil 3

There have been rumors of a third-generation Apple Pencil with interchangeable magnetic tips, and if there is a new Apple Pencil in the works, it could come out alongside refreshed iPad Pro models.

Launch Date

Apple is expected to introduce the first OLED iPad Pro models as soon as March 2024.

Article Link: Apple's 2024 OLED iPad Pro: All the Rumors So Far
Is anyone prioritizing a landscape front camera orientation? The often criticized design flaw in portrait is hardly mentioned anymore. ?
 
Is anyone prioritizing a landscape front camera orientation? The often criticized design flaw in portrait is hardly mentioned anymore. ?
It's normal to be filming landscape after all that is the classic 16:9 aspect ration when out taking pictures? Why would anyone use portrait orientation except for things you want to capture that make more sense in that orientation? The choice is yours dependent on what image you are trying to frame using a iPhone. :)

Examples from https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/photo-of-the-day-december-2023.2412553/ thread


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It's normal to be filming landscape after all that is the classic 16:9 aspect ration when out taking pictures? Why would anyone use portrait orientation except for things you want to capture that make more sense in that orientation? The choice is yours dependent on what image you are trying to frame using a iPhone. :)

Examples from https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/photo-of-the-day-december-2023.2412553/ thread


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To clarify, my point is with reference to the camera facing the user, which is used for ZOOM calls etc. Apple has not corrected the “portrait” orientation which causes a clumsy experience on Zoom and FaceTime calls for instance, as landscape is the natural way to orient for these common situations. The current placement of that camera is materially flawed. One would think that Apple would have fixed this several years ago to improve the customer experience. What say you on this ?
 
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To clarify, my point is with reference to the camera facing the user, which is used for ZOOM calls etc. Apple has not corrected the “portrait” orientation which causes a clumsy experience on Zoom and FaceTime calls for instance, as landscape is the natural way to orient for these common situations. The current placement of that camera is materially flawed. One would think that Apple would have fixed this several years ago to improve the customer experience. What say you on this ?
They’ve already moved the front camera to the landscape edge on the iPad 10th gen, so we might see the same happen for the 2024 iPads, including the Pro models. They’d have to rethink the Apple Pencil charging mechanism, though, because the camera being there currently prevents the 2nd gen Apple Pencil from working on the 10th gen iPad, due to a lack of magnetized charging/pairing on the landscape edge.
 
They already did the price stretch with the 12.9 last time - I can’t believe OLED is that much more than mini led. 11” might come up because it didn’t get mini led but I think they may go back to the $200 gap. Fingers crossed the 12.9 stays the same or $100 more

I’d like it to still be compatible with the current Magic Keyboard though - that bumps the price so much if you have to buy at the same time. I’d like to be able to keep using what I have and have the choice to update later. The physical dimensions seem close enough they could make it work
 
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