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If this is the direction that premium iPhones go in then yes, there is a conceivable future where I would have to buy a device with a serious design compromise that I do not want. It’s important for people to voice their displeasure so that Apple has legitimate understanding of what the market actually wants.
Apple made the market want the smartphone almost two decades ago. This time around they’re late to the party, but they know they have to try something “new” in a mature, relatively stagnant sector. Chinese companies have become very aggressive and innovative with their products.
 
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Recent rumors from Chinese leaker Digital Chat Station suggest the device may feature a 5.49-inch outer display and a 7.74-inch inner screen when unfolded, and both are said to have "unprecedented aspect ratios." The outer display is reportedly shorter and wider than Oppo's new Find N5, which launched globally last week.
If we assume (as is likely) the phone folds in half, and that the outer display covers an entire side, then we can easily calculate the folded and unfolded screen dimensions, and thus the aspect ratios, since that gives us two equations and two unknowns.

Let:
a = folded screen width; 2 a = unfolded screen width; b = height

Then:
a^2 + b^2 = 5.49"^2
(2a)^2 + b^2 = 7.74"^2

Giving:
a = 3.15"; 2a = 6.30"; b = 4.50"

This means the crease will run along the short length rather than the long length. I.e., it will unfold like a Z Flip instead of a Z Fold. This gives an unfolded aspect ratio of 6.30/4.50 = 1.4:1, and a folded aspect ratio that's nearly the same: 4.50/3.15 = 1.43:1.

I suspect this was deliberate (assuming, of course the leaker's info. and my assumptions are correct), and will indeed be unique if all other foldable phones have significantly different aspect ratios when folded vs. unfolded (which I suspect is the case, though I've not checked comprehensively).

A-series paper does the same thing: All sizes are designed so that, if you cut it in half, it retains its sqrt(2):1 aspect ratio. That may be where Apple got the idea (again, if this leak is legit).

Using the bezel width of the iPhone 16 (2.275 mm =0.09"), we can estimate its folded size by adding 0.18" to each screen dimension, giving:
4.7" x 3.3"

That should be nicely pocketable, since it's close to the size of a typical man's bifold wallet (4.5" x 3.5"). Though I'd personally prefer if it were closer to the Z Flip in size. And those with small hands might find the folded size too wide to comfortably hold during calls.

To give some context, I've ordered these by area:
Samsung Z Flip 6: 3.35" x 2.83" = 9.5 in^2 (folded); 6.60 oz
Phone 13 Mini: 5.18" x 2.53" = 13.1 in^2; 4.97 oz
Rumored foldable iPhone: 4.7" x 3.3" = 15.5 in^2 (folded); est ≈ 8 oz
Samsung Z Fold 6: 6.04" x 2.68" = 16.2 in^2 (folded); 8.43 oz
iPhone 16e: 5.87" x 2.82" = 16.3 in^2; 5.88 oz
iPhone 16 Pro: 5.89" x 2.81" = 16.6 in^2; 7.03 oz
Oppo Find N5: 6.33" x 2.92" = 18.5 in^2 (folded); 8.08 oz
iPhone 16 Pro Max: 6.42" x 3.06" = 19.6 in^2; 7.99 oz

Alas, even if it is as pocketable as the Mini, it will still likely weigh ≈60% more.
 
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Agreed! I'm not in the market for a foldable, at all, but if I was, I'd want a flip. I don't need/want more screen, but I would like it to be smaller in the pocket.
Athreed! I’M not letting go to my mini 13 unless it’s flip. And if not than Moto here I come.
 
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Good to hear about Apple's plan. Waiting to see the first foldable from Apple. Have a feeling that Apple will price it at $1999. Even though Apple is very late to the foldable game, if Apple is able to get rid of the crease, it will be a major advantage.
 
I've never liked flip phones even back in the dumb phone days, so pass on folding smartphones

I'd be curious to know how many of us actually want a folding iPhone.

It's not something I want, and I'm not sure what purpose it serves.

Agree. Foldable phones are a solution to a non-existent problem. They basically are worst of both worlds : too small to be a proper tablet, too big and awkward to be a proper phone. Add to the mix the crease, price and durability issues .

Okay, it's going to be a $4000 smartphone I guess.

I wrote “starting at $2999” as a joke, but it was very likely.

It’s not the crease that bothers me. It’s the durability of the hinge. I’ve watched plenty of JerryRigEverything videos where the hinge is destroyed with just a little bit of dirt. That’s the biggest engineering challenge in my eyes.
The last Galaxy Fold is their 5th generation, and I still saw my colleague’s unit falling to pieces after one year, with Samsung service blaming the customer for the problem. Moving parts are moving parts…
 
As someone who had a Z Flip 4 for two-plus years, I would be very interested in an iPhone Flip. The "pocketability" of my caseless Z Flip 4 was such a joy. It literally disappeared in the front pocket.

Having said that, I'd be interested to see what Apple comes up with for a fold, too.
A Z Flip 4 is slightly wider than an iPhone 16 e MORE than twice thicker when folded: it doesn’t disappear at all…
Better margins with Apple. And Samsung Display, while mostly owned by Samsung Electronics, is still a separate company.
There were many instances when iPhone had a slightly better display than same year Samsung galaxy model, so it wouldn’t be so strange at all.
Samsung Display is working based on specifications requested by the customer.
Mark it down, the base model of this thing is gonna be $2k.
I really think it will be way higher than that…
What will that look like after one year? I have several associates who have folding phones. They like them, but there are noticeable creases that get more prominent with time.
The crease is there since day one. He just picked a picture where it is less visible.
I am glad there are rare sanity on Macrumors comments section. I was about to comment the same.
… and it would have been false in the same way. The crease is less prominent than on Samsung Fold, but it is still there.
I woudn't pay a premium for a device where its biggest selling point is a screen I wouldn't use though. When I said I use a 6.9" screen now (iPhone 16 Pro Max), I meant its more than big enough and I wouldn't have a need for it to fold out into something twice the size, even if the footprint is essentially the same size when carrying it.

Not suggesting others won't have this need and I am all for choice, I just don't want Apple to focus solely on foldables at the expense of Pro Max phones that are popular now.
When I need something bigger than my 6.9” iPhone, i need at least 11” … something a foldable phone cannot reach.
Any iPad mini fans will see the potential of this.
Maybe. That’s why I don’t see the point: iPad Mini is completely unsatisfactory to my needs.
 
My mini is still very good, so no immediate buy here.
But hope it evolve well, so it can be a replacement for the mini.
Did you ever tried a Galaxy Fold ? How could it be a replacement for a Mini when 2 dimensions out of 3 are actually bigger than an iPhone 16 Pro ?

Good to hear about Apple's plan. Waiting to see the first foldable from Apple. Have a feeling that Apple will price it at $1999. Even though Apple is very late to the foldable game, if Apple is able to get rid of the crease, it will be a major advantage.
As I said above, I’m expecting this to be way higher than that price…
 
I don’t think so. Apple got burned a few years ago when they tried to hike the iPhone prices too high. I don’t think they will make that mistake again. It will be expensive but competitively priced compared to the other brands.

We're talking about the company with the $3500 VR headset.

Agree. Foldable phones are a solution to a non-existent problem. They basically are worst of both worlds : too small to be a proper tablet, too big and awkward to be a proper phone. Add to the mix the crease, price and durability issues .



I wrote “starting at $2999” as a joke, but it was very likely.


The last Galaxy Fold is their 5th generation, and I still saw my colleague’s unit falling to pieces after one year, with Samsung service blaming the customer for the problem. Moving parts are moving parts…

It's going to be very expensive, that's for certain.
 
I would suggest not mashing your fingernails into any phone's screen, as a best practice. If this is a serious problem for you, it is definitely a you problem for sure.
I don't, and haven't been, worried about mashing my fingernails into displays. I just used that as an example of how easy it is to damage the displays because of the soft materials.
 
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That’s simply not true at all. Maybe with first gen folds not now
It simply *is* true, don't kid yourself. Go look at a demonstrator model in a phone shop and you'll see for yourself.

To make the display surface bendable in the first place, it has to be flexible and malleable, therefore soft and easily susceptible to damage.
 
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It simply *is* true, don't kid yourself. Go look at a demonstrator model in a phone shop and you'll see for yourself.

To make the display surface bendable in the first place, it has to be flexible and malleable, therefore soft and easily susceptible to damage.

How many foldables have you even used? My guess is none!!

I’ve had a dozen foldables so I sure as hell don’t need to go to a phone shop to view what you can do to them. Anybody with normal finger nails isn’t scratching the display and the only way you can damage it is if you are badly trying to destroy the display.

So no you can’t damage it at all with a fingernail
 
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Good to hear about Apple's plan. Waiting to see the first foldable from Apple. Have a feeling that Apple will price it at $1999. Even though Apple is very late to the foldable game, if Apple is able to get rid of the crease, it will be a major advantage.
I think it'll be around that price even though it risks becoming largely irrelevant to most iPhone users as a result. Apple do like to go in at the higher price points with some products though and wonder why its not as appealing as they'd predicted.
 
A foldable phone doesn’t fill the gap left by the mini

the mini isn’t just smaller in the pocket but more importantly in the hand

Should be able to hold a screen in one hand and reach anywhere on the screen with thumb
You don't need to unflip a flip phone to browse in internet, write messages, use social media, youtube, weather, clock, calculator etc. etc.

Almost everything can be done on a small 4" screen just like we used to do it on iPhone 5s, before the world became crazy and all phones became huge.

For gaming and movies you can unflip.
 
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I wish they still were. The 5 was perfectly sized, and I miss my 13 mini, too.
I'm not letting go of my mini as long it's still supported, even though I might buy a newer phone. The trade-in is probably very low to nothing So kepping it as a mediaplayer after that, as I've done and do with iPad mini's.
Athreed! I’M not letting go to my mini 13 unless it’s flip. And if not than Moto here I come.
I assume flips are smaller then folds. Then I agree fully.
I have no interest of the larger phones even if they fold - ah well, I don't speculate a lot around it now.

Mini is great still, and Tim Cook hopefully has an earlier experition-date at Apple, then my mini have for me. See what will comes from Apple, when it comes.
 
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How many foldables have you even used? My guess is none!!

I’ve had a dozen foldables so I sure as hell don’t need to go to a phone shop to view what you can do to them. Anybody with normal finger nails isn’t scratching the display and the only way you can damage it is if you are badly trying to destroy the display.

So no you can’t damage it at all with a fingernail
I've never owned one, but I've absolutely used a few different models. They all have the same issues with soft display materials.
 
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You don't need to unfold a flip phone to browse in internet, write messages, use social media, youtube, weather, clock, calculator etc. etc.

Almost everything can be done on a small 4" screen just like we used to do it on iPhone 5s, before the world became crazy and all phones became huge.

For gaming and movies you can unfold.

The experience is still better on a bigger screen. Doing it on a phone screen size is what we are used to. Just like using an iPad is a better experience for basically any every task than a phone but a phone is more convenient
 
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Cool! You don't have to get one!
Oh I think the technology sounds very cool! I’m not at all against it. I think having more choices is good for everyone. I was just trying to say that for me, I’d rather not have to unfold and fold when I use my iPhone.
 
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