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Oh I think the technology sounds very cool! I’m not at all against it. I think having more choices is good for everyone. I was just trying to say that for me, I’d rather not have to unfold and fold when I use my iPhone.
You do not need to unfold the phone to use it. Everything you can do on your iPhone can be done while it's folded, but you have the option of a larger screen when you want it.
 
If I had three wishes, one of them would be that people who have never actually owned a foldable would stop posting on tech forums like they truly know anything about them based on their own real world experience. When you post about something you have zero real world experience with, it is very obvious to those who have this experience, and it is not a good look at all. I will never understand why people do this.
 
You don't need to unflip a flip phone to browse in internet, write messages, use social media, youtube, weather, clock, calculator etc. etc.

Almost everything can be done on a small 4" screen just like we used to do it on iPhone 5s, before the world became crazy and all phones became huge.

For gaming and movies you can unflip.

4” is too small

12 and 13 mini are just about the exact right size for my purposes

I have no interest in playing games or watching movies on my phone

so again, a folding phone doesn’t fill that category
 
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Purpose is easy: consumer utility, 2 distinct devices- Phone + Tablet- that largely do the very same things (running the same apps) in ONE package. Consumers like utility. Recall Jobs' original pitch for iPhone: "a mobile phone, an iPod and an internet communicator." At the time, most of us had all 3 of those as distinct devices, so how did we see a purpose that an iPhone could serve by merging those 3 things into one package?



The phone is beloved- towards god-of-tech status. I think many of us struggle with any concept that threatens a big tangible change to the form factor. For example, see 10 threads in the last month towards freaking out about rumored camera module platform on back.

So recast the concept from altering "the precious" at all. How would we feel about an iPad that can fold down to be pocketable and that also runs the Apple iPhone app so it can double as a phone too? We seem to have less "the precious" attachment to iPads so the imagination of significant change can have more mental leeway.

The thing here is that both phone and tablet run the same apps. Both are in similar cases made of similar materials. Both have almost identical tech guts inside. The one big physical difference between the two is screen size. So when we argue for 2 distinct products, we're arguing for carrying around 2 very similar things when a good fold or roll design could merge those 2 into one product to carry around: small & pocketable when that matters... bigger, more useful screen when that matters. Reduce the amount of aluminum and batteries and duplicate tech (and tech weight) we carry while still being able to do everything we do on the 2 device types.

"a mobile phone, an iPod and an internet communicator."
"an iPhone and an iPad, as a single product."
Like all rumored new things, I suspect the apprehension and mental resistance only persists until Apple actually rolls one out. Once Apple launches their cut at the concept, we'll suddenly see plenty of purpose... plenty of problems solved by it... etc. Right now- while there is no such thing for sale from Apple- we cast it like we cast phablets while Apple still clung to 3.5" and then 4" as "perfect" screen sizes... or NFC (pay by phone) while that was only a feature on Android phones. Before both of those, it was wall of disgust/contempt. At launch, it was "how did we ever get by with those puny screens?" and calls to boycott stores that wouldn't accept Apple Pay. What changed? Apple did not have it for sale... and then they did. Many of "our" (often very passionate) opinions seem to fluidly adjust- even flip flop- to that specific catalyst.
I really enjoyed reading your post, I feel the same way as you and I agree with all you stated. 👌🏻
 
The competition already has creaseless foldables
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If by "creaseless" you mean "has a crease," then yes absolutely.

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Source: Forbes review of the phone.
 
It isn't a crease as much as it is an extremely shallow valley down the center of the display where the ultra thin glass has no hardware behind it to support it. This is currently a hinge limitation that no one has been able to overcome. The good news is, it is getting to the point where if it is done right, it is almost imperceptible to the touch and it can only be seen when lights are shining directly on top of it or the phone is positioned at an angle where lights reflect off the display.
 
I don't give a damn about the crease Apple, especially at 'any price'. If you don't think running ios is not a differenciator enough, than maybe that's the sign to get your **** together.
 
I love that people here need to announce they are not buying a product, and that because of this such product should not be made.

Anyway, I love my 2024 Moto Razr+. Using it folded is so easy and convenient, and uses less power. The crease is barely noticeable while using it.

If Apple does make a flip, I'll be buying it on day one! Otherwise my 14 Pro will last a little longer.
 
I’d love to see basic flip (clamshell) phone with:
- Size of iPhone PM (6.7) when flipped open
- 2 cameras (tele & wide)
- when closed no external screen to keep costs down or
- small dynamic window (2 inch x 1 inch high) showing various things, time, envelope icon for message / email / missed call etc.
- or if no dynamic window screen a apple logo that can glow & change to particular colour to represent email, call etc
- price max £$€1000 base model.

I use my iPad Air for media consumption so would love a flip for purely phoning folk & not surfing on a tiny screen. Apple, stop gimping the iPad & let it become the device it could be
 
Yeah, the foldable phones have their "WoW" effect, but this effects rapidly fades away on the 100th time you have to unfold the phone with two hands to do what you want, sometimes dozens of times a day. And then there is the thickness which after few weeks becomes a bit frustrating and uncomfortable, especially if you use regular trousers. Yes, you get a bigger screen, but that's it. You gain nothing else positive, and you have all the downsides and cons. The issue for me with foldable phones is not technical (the crease is barely noticeable as you pointed out), it's about its practicality, usefulness and convenience compared to a regular phone.
I think all these considerations really come down to personal preferences. Many people who use folding phones don't report seeing those things as issues for them personally.
 
Like all rumored new things, I suspect the apprehension and mental resistance only persists until Apple actually rolls one out. Once Apple launches their cut at the concept, we'll suddenly see plenty of purpose...
The reason why lots of people here on this forum, myself included, are not interested in present foldable devices like the Oppo N5, is because they are exactly not the 2 devices what you hinting at in your post: a phone and a tablet (in one device). The unfolded aspect ratio makes it relatively useless as a tablet. So what is the point then?

And yes, if Apple came out with something foldable but with an actual useful aspect ratio, then more people will be interested.

But a trip: learning to differtiate is useful too. If Forum Members A, B and are against a product or concept and in Future Memebers D, E and F are applauding a somewhat similar product, that doesn't mean that the whole Forum has flipped in Apple's favour yet again...
 
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If I had three wishes, one of them would be that people who have never actually owned a foldable would stop posting on tech forums like they truly know anything about them based on their own real world experience. When you post about something you have zero real world experience with, it is very obvious to those who have this experience, and it is not a good look at all. I will never understand why people do this.
Reminds me of the episode of the Twilight Zone, in which Shelley Berman complains that everyone should be more like him, and then uses the power of his mind to replace everyone on Earth with a duplicate of himself (though he finds he doesn't like them either): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind_and_the_Matter
 
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Samsung Display is the supplier. They are a separate business unit from the consumer division that sells directly to the consumer.
Samsung Display may be the supplier, but their parent company is still Samsung Electronics and the parent company will always get priority. And they are not a separate business unit, they are still part of Samsung Electronics.

Same way as LG Display is part of LG Electronics and LG Electronics gets the dibs on the best OLED panels that are produced by LG Display (hence why you should buy an LG OLED TV over any other OLED TV).
 
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Samsung Display may be the supplier, but their parent company is still Samsung Electronics and the parent company will always get priority. And they are not a separate business unit, they are still part of Samsung Electronics.

Doing a quick search returns: Business units are separate divisions or departments within a company, each with its own responsibilities for specific products, services, or markets.

Same way as LG Display is part of LG Electronics and LG Electronics gets the dibs on the best OLED panels that are produced by LG Display (hence why you should buy an LG OLED TV over any other OLED TV).

Tell that to the Sony A95L and Panasonic's new model using LG's newest OLED panel. As to whether or not Samsung and LG cherry pick the panels they sell to other manufacturers, I couldn't answer that question. If Samsung does cherry pick, the third parties have done a great job rivaling (at times) Samsung Electronics own final products (TVs).

EDIT: I'm not referencing any corporate theft of custom orders and technology.
 
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I think all these considerations really come down to personal preferences. Many people who use folding phones don't report seeing those things as issues for them personally.
I disagree. There are major trade-offs in terms of convenience and practically that goes beyond any personal preferences. You need to unfold the phone (an additional action) to do basically anything, while currently, with standard smartphone you don't. You also need two hands to operate the device, while currently, you can do basic tasks (i.a. check stock price, view notifications, answer whatsapp messages, etc.) with just one hand. I don't need any user to report that to know it is true. Samsung and others are already releasing their 3-4th generation of foldable devices, and I still do not observe major shift to this type of devices, which in some way might be indicative about the customers overall interest. If foldable phones were so great, these devices will be flying off the shelves, and yet, after few years of availability, their market share is still slim. Between a foldable iPhone, and the rumored super-thin iPhone Air, my gut feeling is that the Air would be a bigger hit and definitely my personal pick. Obviously, this does not mean that there aren't many people that are happy to live with the trade-offs of a foldable device, for the sake of the additional screen real estate.
 
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Samsung Display may be the supplier, but their parent company is still Samsung Electronics and the parent company will always get priority. And they are not a separate business unit, they are still part of Samsung Electronics.

Same way as LG Display is part of LG Electronics and LG Electronics gets the dibs on the best OLED panels that are produced by LG Display (hence why you should buy an LG OLED TV over any other OLED TV).
It doesn’t work like that. Everything is money driven in business, and if Apple’s contract is more profitable than Samsung, they could have priority. There were several instances of iPhone displays being better than same year Samsung’s , just because Apple requested (and paid) for different specifications.
 
its never going to be worth getting the gen 1 product anyway... but it sounds like it will be an eye watering price becoming the Vision Pro of iPhones.... too expensive for most to justify.

Im surprised they are going for the foldable. Surely they could bring something new to the market like a roll-up screen that extends out and therefore never at risk from a crease in the first place.
The rollup idea is technically intriguing but practically unappealing to me because I suspect a roll-up display of any meaningful size will likely be (a) prone to scratching due to repeated screen contact across the entire surface while rolling it up and (b) ergonomically unwieldy — imagine carrying around and handling a likely 2”x 7”+ cylinder vs a more compact foldable. 🤔
 
The rollup idea is technically intriguing but practically unappealing to me because I suspect a roll-up display of any meaningful size will likely be (a) prone to scratching due to repeated screen contact across the entire surface while rolling it up and (b) ergonomically unwieldy — imagine carrying around and handling a likely 2”x 7”+ cylinder vs a more compact foldable. 🤔
Sci fi always tends to inspire tech.

In 1997 there was a sci fi show called Earth:Final Conflict. In that show the communicator devices were just that - roll up screens that pulled out from a main body. Just google them - they are really interesting in that they were made up 10 years before iPhones were a thing but a very interesting concept.

I would be happy to have a thicker 'cylinder' if the screen rolled out.

But hey, for now that just fantasy although rollup screens are very much a thing.
 
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