Apple's 27" LED Cinema Display Now On Sale

[nofunsir]

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I bought one through UNR's bookstore 30 mins ago (edu discount + no sales tax ), and they just called me back to tell me that they just got word from Apple that the wait time is now 3-4 weeks! They offered me a refund. I said, "grrr."

"Oh, well. It's still the second-best five hundred bucks I ever spent!"

 

[ovrlrd]

So we can basically dismiss you by your own admission ? Great then, that's settled, your opinion doesn't count because you don't care about objectivity!

I do care about objectivity, but it's quite obvious that Dell displays suck so I don't really need to be objective about it. Take your own opinion if you want, enjoy your Dell displays!

Really now ? Where did you read this ? The 24" ACD (I owned 4 of those, never got one quite right, had to return each and everyone and finally get a refund) did Audio through USB.

Oh wait, no, Apple says you lie :

http://www.apple.com/ca/displays/

Wow, right there on the front page of the product. Bother to check your facts much ?

I have no reason to lie about this, it's on the spec's page in plain text under "Audio and Video"

Mini DisplayPort connector with audio support

http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html

I suspect that the main page that is just a bunch of marketing material is not quite correct about what it is saying. I trust the specs page more than the marketing, because Apple has been known to change the specs at the last minute and forget to update the other pages. I think there was even a post somewhere that pointed out that the specs page listed "audio over USB" at first and then they updated it to say, "Mini DisplayPort connector with audio support."

Why would they list it in the specs if it didn't support it? Yes, the old 24 inch did do it over USB, but there is not reason for them not to add support for it in the NEW display that is being released.

 

[ovrlrd]

Hope you know that Apple is so so much worse for that than Dell ever has been or will be.

I never said Apple isn't guilty of it, I even listed an example with the overselling of the LED backlighting. My point was about the specs, where Apple has become very honest and realistic with what they list.

You don't know what you're talking about. Dells 2209WA and U2311H are absolute bargains for their money, excellent displays at a great price (though not as much of a bargain as they were when originally released, still very competitively priced).

Great, good for people who want to buy a Dell. I still say they are not worth it. The panels that are in the displays are fine, but Dell themselves can go ahead and die as far as I am concerned.

 

[DesmoPilot]

Great, good for people who want to buy a Dell. I still say they are not worth it. The panels that are in the displays are fine, but Dell themselves can go ahead and die as far as I am concerned.

Just curious that you're so against them. I've worked with plenty of clients (video game developer studios, high-end video editing studios etc) who, after going through many different brands of displays, swear by Dells UltraSharp line.

 

[ovrlrd]

Just curious that you're so against them. I've worked with plenty of clients (video game developer studios, high-end video editing studios etc) who, after going through many different brands of displays, swear by Dells UltraSharp line.

I had a horrible experience with them where a display I bought stopped working after 1.5 years. The PSU was dead, and since it was still under warranty I thought it would as simple as calling them and getting a replacement. Nope, they played phone tag with me and kept transferring me around, at times the transfer would lead to me getting hung up on. After a week of trying this I eventually gave up because they clearly didn't care about their customers. After that I never want to deal with them or their products ever again.

I have also had a few friends with similar issues with their support. Some work in IT and have nightmares about dealing with them. They are notoriously unreliable even if you do get someone who seems to want to help you. There seems to be some people who are lucky and get great support, but I will never trust their service ever again.

On top of that their displays are made using the cheapest materials possible. All their attention goes to the panel, so the PSU, the casing, etc is known to have issues. I have heard of one person who got a Dell display and it was actually making a high pitch noise when it was turned on. They somehow managed to get it replaced though, I told them they were lucky that they replaced it. I figure since it was within the first week of getting it maybe Dell was worried about a credit card chargeback.

Solid aluminum enclosure with quality parts and no stupid vents > Cheap plastic casing with vents and crappy parts

 

[AidenShaw]

Just curious that you're so against them. I've worked with plenty of clients (video game developer studios, high-end video editing studios etc) who, after going through many different brands of displays, swear by Dells UltraSharp line.

My group's purchased probably 50 UltraSharp displays, and have only had trouble with two. One got a dark band (after 3 1/2 years), and the other went very yellow after it was knocked off the desk onto the tile floor.

Dell service has been remarkably and consistently good (although we've never used it for a display problem).

Don't know why some say Dell has horrible service, and others say that it is great.

 

[DesmoPilot]

I had a horrible experience with them where a display I bought stopped working after 1.5 years. The PSU was dead, and since it was still under warranty I thought it would as simple as calling them and getting a replacement. Nope, they played phone tag with me and kept transferring me around, at times the transfer would lead to me getting hung up on. After a week of trying this I eventually gave up because they clearly didn't care about their customers. After that I never want to deal with them or their products ever again.

I have also had a few friends with similar issues with their support. Some work in IT and have nightmares about dealing with them. They are notoriously unreliable even if you do get someone who seems to want to help you. There seems to be some people who are lucky and get great support, but I will never trust their service ever again.

On top of that their displays are made using the cheapest materials possible. All their attention goes to the panel, so the PSU, the casing, etc is known to have issues. I have heard of one person who got a Dell display and it was actually making a high pitch noise when it was turned on. They somehow managed to get it replaced though, I told them they were lucky that they replaced it. I figure since it was within the first week of getting it maybe Dell was worried about a credit card chargeback.

Solid aluminum enclosure with quality parts and no stupid vents > Cheap plastic casing with vents and crappy parts

That is quite unfortunate. Luckily, neither myself or anyone I know (clients included) have had problems with Dells displays.

 

[gameface]

That is quite unfortunate. Luckily, neither myself or anyone I know (clients included) have had problems with Dells displays.

Nor anyone I know in the marketing or post production industries here in Boston. I guess one person who had bad luck posting hatred for a company should sway everyones opinions. Specially one who says "The panels that are in the displays are fine, but Dell themselves can go ahead and die as far as I am concerned." Real objective case study we got going on here.

Ohh I forgot about those 2 IT guys too.

 

[ovrlrd]

Nor anyone I know in the marketing or post production industries here in Boston. I guess one person who had bad luck posting hatred for a company should sway everyone opinions.

Ohh I forgot about those 2 IT guys too.

I never expected to sway everyone's opinions, merely offer my perspective just like everyone else is doing in the thread. Why would anyone want to have everyone follow them just because they say something is better? People should do intelligent research from many combined sources and even some hands on testing. It would be dumb to buy something based on what one person on some internet forum tells you.

 

[w00d]

How is the glare on this thing? I may consider one, but wanted to check this out first.

The advantage over the older LCDs was having no glass.

Well, it's glossy. So it depends on the lighting. Can you control the lighting and arrangement of your workspace?

I'm new to the non-matte world, and I was really surprised that the glossy screen was not a problem for me. I totally expected to hate it, but just the opposite happened.

Here's the thing: if you have crappy light in your workspace, your matte monitor is not going to be comfortable to use either.

 

[gameface]

I never expected to sway everyones opinions, merely offer my perspective just like everyone else is doing in the thread. Why would anyone want to have everyone follow them just because they same something is better? People should do intelligent research from many combined sources and even some hands on testing. It would be dumb to buy something based on what one person on some internet forum tells you.

Agreed, but you are pushing a personal agenda here where it doesn't belong. Why not go to Dell forums and spew your hate. We were having a conversation about which screen was better for a similar price and you had to interject about how crappy dells are when you later claim their panels are good but the company sucks. Sorry you had a bad experience but your bias based on an old monitor a while ago that died should be no where near this discussion.

 

[3282868]

I said in my field. And yes, in my field having all of those choices on a single monitor is important. It can be a main display, it can hooked up to a capture card for accurate monitoring of final output, you can hook up multiple sources to it. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean others don't.

Most users don't use or need them. More often people just like to brag about the options than actually make use of them. It's tantamount to bragging about your supped up Toyota Corolla, you can polish a turd but it's still a turd.

You're either lying, extremely unlucky or don't know what the hell you're doing. I would venture to guess all 3 since I wasn't talking to you and you needed to come in all hot and bash Dell.

Maybe unlucky certainly but based on many of the reviews on Dell Ultrasharp displays, banding and cołor inaccuracy have been major issues. It's been known that Dell has last picks of the LG panels. I found out through much research after having sent back my displays that Dell gets the remainder panels after Apple and other companies get them through contractual agreements. I thought it was bs at first but shockingly I found out it was true. I certainly know what I'm doing as I work in IT and as a communications consultant and designer, so please do not make assumptions. Lastly, why would I lie? I don't own Dell or Apple so it makes no difference to me. These have been my experiences, the experiences of others and my OPINION. Nothing more, no reason to get personal.

Can't think of anything to say so you repeat the same argument? Nice work there Lou.

again, why getting personal and defensive??? You're just insulting people for no reason. Let's act like adults please.

And indeed you are saying how great it is when the Dell has the same specs for most things and the rest are better. And who uses speakers built into monitors? Sorry, I'm too busy using my KRK monitors or my Sony headphones. And if I want to skype someone, I'll use my MBP that sits next to me while I'm working as an email machine.

Just like you use all those extraneous connections on your Dells, a lot of people like the streamlined look of the Apple display with the built in speakers and webcam. Three USB ports are convenient as my Mac Pro has FireWire ports I don't use aside from downloading photos off my cards. You have your opinions and others have theirs. No need to judge. I just find it overkill that Dell has so many connections in a plastic shell with a mediocre panel that people are crazy about. I'd rather have an LED LCD than an outdated CCFL LCD. My preference. No need to get aggressive.

Start eating them because Like I said, the Dell will smoke

If you say so...

 

[Narrisch]

Another Mirror from apple

Its a shiny piece of a damn mirror. If you put this thing on a desk side by side with an eizo Display you will See the difference by yourself instantly.

 

[andy721]

Still a rip off it's only a 27" WTF APPLE!

 

[Terminal.app]

Don't know why some say Dell has horrible service, and others say that it is great.

It's probably because it depends on the system, who bought it, and how much they paid. My parents spent over $2,500 on a CTO Vostro desktop from Dell and when it came time to call the customer service hotline, they were "surprisingly helpful" my mother said. However, if you buy one of Dell's cheap $399 Inspiron notebooks at your friendly neighborhood Walmart, the service is likely poor and poor at English. In those cases one is better off asking a tech-savvy friend for help (in those cases where the tech support was horrible, the tech-savvy friend was me.) TL;DR: Your mileage can and will vary.

Regarding this new display...it's about time it was updated, but then again I think I like the U2711 better...pity I can't afford it or the Apple one.

 

[doctor-don]

For me this sounds as an epicfail: 2 cm less than the iMac

Are you for real?

 

[doctor-don]

No, it's not.

Quick consumer lesson.

The prices on the US web site do not include sales tax. The prices on the UK web site do include vat at 17.5% and import duties. So add an average 15% sales tax to the US price before doing your conversion, and remember that businesses do not use the consumer exchange rate that you see advertised at the bureau de change, they use a commercial/bank specified exchange rate.

My maths here shows that this unit is around £36 more expensive in the UK, which would be accounted for by import duty.

Where do you have 15% sales tax?

 

[AidenShaw]

Are you for real?

Do you have a system with more than one screen?

I have several, with up to 4 screens - and it's very useful that the monitors are height-adjustable so that mouse tracking between monitors doesn't jump - and that on the occasions when I stretch a window across monitors that the edges line up.

Your question makes me think that you've never used a multi-headed system.

I'm surprised that the occupational health agencies haven't banned Apple monitors from the workplace.

 

[doctor-don]

Call me greedy, if you like.....

I am happy with spec, glossy, pricing and all that jazz.

The thing that annoys me about this display (same with 24" display) is that it does not sit at the same height as the equivalent iMac!!!

27" iMac sits 2.6cm higher than this new display. That won't look right with them side by side!

Someone needs to invent a 2.6cm booster chair for this display.

Maybe call it an iChair (High Chair....????? oh, nevermind)

Is there a need to have them side by side?

 

[fixmymac]

Is there a need to have them side by side?

I like having two screens side by side. I have this setup on my Mac Pro with two 23" Apple Displays.

Many apps benefit from two screens. Logic Pro is one of them that i use. I would guess that Final Cut would be similar.

Apple have an image on the page for the new display that shows it sitting next to a 27" iMac. You cannot help but notice the difference in height. For the sake of 2.6cm in height, it seems a tad unusual not to make the display sit at the same height as the other 27" product made by Apple.

 

[bart4u]

Non Shine

Apple we want a matte screen

 

[azentropy]

Apple we want a matte screen

This sums it up for me, having a glass/glossy display is not a feature. I don't know why Apple constantly uses product images like this that show the issue with screens like this for many people. I can't even use a them in the Apple Store because of the lighting there on those screens make my eyes bleed and gives me a headache after 5 minutes.

 

[Fa7mac]

£899 in UK... that's over $1,400, 40% more!

I´ve checked the prices of the Apple products here in Hong Kong and surprisingly there are quite even sometimes even less than those applied in US. I never noticed though

 

[pumpkinwhite]

Any glossy 27" IPS displays with HDMI?

I have actually grown fond of glossy displays, and have been looking to buy a glossy monitor. It's just personal preference, and I don't want it to turn into a glossy vs. matte debate.

I like the 27" apple display, but hate the fact that it has limited connectivity. I believe the comparable Dell one's are matte. Is there any 27" glossy display in the market with an IPS display, and has HDMI. I need one at the budget comparable to the Apple or Dell displays. Any options?

 

[chrono1081]

I have actually grown fond of glossy displays, and have been looking to buy a glossy monitor. It's just personal preference, and I don't want it to turn into a glossy vs. matte debate.

I like the 27" apple display, but hate the fact that it has limited connectivity. I believe the comparable Dell one's are matte. Is there any 27" glossy display in the market with an IPS display, and has HDMI. I need one at the budget comparable to the Apple or Dell displays. Any options?

HP has (or had anyway) glossy monitors, you may want to check their site. HPs also generally look at lot better then Dells. I have yet to understand peoples fascination with Dell monitors...