Apple's A14 Outperforms New Snapdragon 888 Chip Coming in Future Android Phones

[techwhiz]

No. Just no. Qualcomm is one step from being a patent troll. Their chips are obviously, way behind. But we can pretend that it's all good. And that's not even considering how badly Android is optimized across what, 120 different pieces of mediocre hardware. Nothing to get from this except that Qualcomm is a second tier technology company building chips for second tier hardware manufacturers.

Samsung second tier?
One step from a patent troll? Where is Apple's modem? Years behind Qualcomm.
Qualcomm not only utilizes their patents, but some of their inventions/innovations make it impossible to implement technologies without them. Got there first.
Qualcomm isn't even close to being a troll.
Also their chips aren't "way behind".
The current SD888 with the software demonstrated sits between an A13 and A14.
I'm also hesitant to look at benchmarks from reference designs because they don't typically run fully optimized software.
Here is the results of the A13 vs the SD865

Snapdragon 865 vs A13 Bionic: tests and benchmarks

We put Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 against Apple A13 Bionic to find out which SoC is better. See performance comparison in benchmarks and games.

nanoreview.net

Also note the 888 has an integrated 5G Modem.
The A14 has what??? Oh, a Qualcomm modem external.

 

[patent10021]

Apple's A14 Outperforms New Snapdragon 888 Chip Coming in Future Android Phones

Android is going back to the future ~ Doc Brown

 

[grad]

Bah, I'd rather wait for Samsung's new Exynos anyway, I never bought in Qualcomm's hype.

 

[Cosmosent]

I have a Question for those of you who know both iOS & Android really well.

What is the Perf Hit of code running on Android vs on iOS ?

 

[jdawgnoonan]

I know what the benchmarks say and I believe them. However, I recently traded my iphone 11 Pro for a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (I have always wanted to try a Note) and this phone feels no less fast than my 11 Pro did. I'm not saying that it probably isn't slower than the 11 Pro was if benchmarked....however I am saying that it doesn't matter because the difference is absolutely imperceptible. I think that these benchmarks mainly provide bragging rights and nothing more on a phone. Existing phone apps simply don't need that level of performance. My Note can run split screen and overlay apps, as well as cast wirelessly a desktop environment to a big screen, and in every case the performance is great and both of these seem more like power user features than what my 11 Pro could do. I run many of the same apps on this device that I did on the 11 Pro....they all work great. I am not bashing Apple or saying my Samsung is better, but my experience simply says these numbers do not matter.

 

[LotsOfBands]

Why would they release these benchmarks? Are they obligated to? Your 2021 chip benchmarks behind your competitor’s 2019 chip: the optics there are bad. But I suppose that doesn’t matter to people who are married to Android and who don’t care about a cross-platform contest.

That would be... Most people.....

 

[mi7chy]

Pointless comparison like saying DOS is faster than Windows. iOS is more single tasking vs Android's multitasking.

 

[Henk Poley]

Waiting for the Speedometer 2.0 scores though. Snapdragon usually couldn’t translate high(er) scores on synthetic benchmarks into fairly real life browser performance.

 

[yakapo]

I don’t understand why

Why would they release these benchmarks? Are they obligated to? Your 2021 chip benchmarks behind your competitor’s 2019 chip: the optics there are bad. But I suppose that doesn’t matter to people who are married to Android and who don’t care about a cross-platform contest.

 

[SRLMJ23]

Was this really news?

 

[Yebubbleman]

It will be nice when Apple actually has competition in the ARM-based SoC space. For now, this doesn't bode well for competition and innovation across the market.

 

[chucker23n1]

Why would they release these benchmarks? Are they obligated to? Your 2021 chip benchmarks behind your competitor’s 2019 chip: the optics there are bad. But I suppose that doesn’t matter to people who are married to Android and who don’t care about a cross-platform contest.

These are Anandtech’s benchmarks. They are under no obligation to make a particular vendor look good.

 

[chucker23n1]

What if Apple surprises us with the same soc chip design as the M1 on an iPhone, now that would blow these away.

The A14 is essentially the M1 with fewer cores, lower clock, less RAM and some features missing. The cores are the same.

A phone isn’t going to get something as power-hungry as the M1.

 

[stevegt87]

The killer feature that the A chips have enabled is device lifetime. In 4-5 years your iPhone will still be delivering serviceable performance (for one of my kids).

 

[The Game 161]

The killer feature that the A chips have enabled is device lifetime. In 4-5 years your iPhone will still be delivering serviceable performance (for one of my kids).

Agreed my wife is passing down the iphone 11 to our 13 year old and that A13 chip will last her until she can afford to buy her own phone

 

[dogslobber]

Multi-core looks good enough but a little extra oomph is needed for single core performance. In truth the Apple performance gap is quickly closed when all competitors switch to 5nm. Apple has the lead for a short period but they're climbing a ladder that doesn't have many rungs left. When Intel switches to 5nm then the performance gap will be gone. It'll be a LOT harder for Apple to get OFF 5nm to another process. It'll be equally hard to out-run Intel as nobody is as focused to crush the competition when they play catch up than Intel.

 

[ValO]

Why would they release these benchmarks? Are they obligated to? Your 2021 chip benchmarks behind your competitor’s 2019 chip: the optics there are bad. But I suppose that doesn’t matter to people who are married to Android and who don’t care about a cross-platform contest.

Agreed.

but about 3 years ago, fandroids were touting the number of cores compared to the apple a socs.

times change, I suppose...

 

[chucker23n1]

Multi-core looks good enough but a little extra oomph is needed for single core performance. In truth the Apple performance gap is quickly closed when all competitors switch to 5nm.

The 888 is already 5 nm, so clearly not.

Apple has the lead for a short period but they're climbing a ladder that doesn't have many rungs left. When Intel switches to 5nm then the performance gap will be gone.

Intel hasn’t even switched to 7 nm.

It'll be a LOT harder for Apple to get OFF 5nm to another process.

Apple doesn’t do processes; TSMC does.

 

[chucker23n1]

Was this really news?

Yes.

 

[JackieTreehorn]

Competition is good!

Too bad Apple blows them out of the water.

 

[justperry]

The A14 is essentially the M1 with fewer cores, lower clock, less RAM and some features missing. The cores are the same.

A phone isn’t going to get something as power-hungry as the M1.

I am not a chip designer nor know a lot about it, to me though it seems it is similar, my gut feeling is the M1 is a bit different than the A14, for instance, does the A14 have unified memory?

 

[chucker23n1]

I am not a chip designer nor know a lot about it, to me though it seems it is similar, my gut feeling is the M1 is a bit different than the A14, for instance, does the A14 have unified memory?

I don’t know if the A14 is as efficient at partitioning memory, but virtually any phone chip is inherently UMA — there is no dedicated graphics chip, after all.

That said, yeah, some improvements might trickle back down to future iPhone chips. I’m merely cautioning as far as performance goes: a phone has less power budget.

 

[Jony Ive and Co.]

I am curious what are the real-world benefits to the average iPhone user for a faster CPU? I am still using XS Max and really have not seen an advantage to upgrade in my case. That doesn't mean one exists and perhaps I am missing it.

Same here, but FASTER IS ALWAYS BETTER

 

[Jony Ive and Co.]

The A14 looks pathetic in that chart. It should be MILES BETTER, but not slightly better. Also I expect Apple chips to be generations ahead as they are advertised, which means that A13 should be way ahead of Snapdragon 888 instead of drawing (more or less). Basically A10 and up should comfortably beat the latest Snapdragon 888 by a wide margin

 

[Jimmy James]

Chips are becoming monsters these days. Imagine battery technology starts to take bigger leaps and take more advantage of the chip efficiencies. Week long batter life anyone?

I’m dreaming of solid state batteries for a variety of applications. Not holding my breath.