Apple's Ability to Hire Foreign Workers May Be Impacted by Trump Overhaul of Work-Visa Programs

[Thunderhawks]

Illegal immigration also drives down wages for American workers, both skilled and unskilled.

No it doesn't. Most illegal workers are pretty well organized and know their rights.
They usually get at least minimum wage.

The few sweat shops exploiting workers are not long lived and have been and will be found out.

And, a lot of Americans don't want to do the low level work that illegals perform. (harvest, cleaning, landscaping, construction)

Lastly, let's face that not everybody has the brains to be brilliant. Too many people in the world with low level intelligence.
Unfortunately these people seem to reproduce the most making more and more unneeded people.

 

[aaronvan]

No it doesn't. Most illegal workers are pretty well organized and know their rights.
They usually get at least minimum wage.

The few sweat shops exploiting workers are not long lived and have been and will be found out.

And, a lot of Americans don't want to do the low level work that illegals perform. (harvest, cleaning, landscaping, construction)

Lastly, let's face that not everybody has the brains to be brilliant. Too many people in the world with low level intelligence.
Unfortunately these people seem to reproduce the most making more and more unneeded people.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

 

[MentalFloss]

What I really love about this discussion is that people from the very area of the political spectrum that for many many years has been complaining about affirmative action programs is now cheering Trump for planning to introduce what is effectively an affirmative action program to get more Americans into STEM careers.

That's a rather high irony level.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

How will machines take the place of most H1-B technical labor ?

I don't know, it's a broad field. But they will find loopholes, that's for sure.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Source? ..... Cause I'm actually interested, since you claim otherwise.
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What I really love about this discussion is that people from the very area of the political spectrum that for many many years has been complaining about affirmative action programs is now cheering Trump for planning to introduce what is effectively an affirmative action program to get more Americans into STEM careers.

That's a rather high irony level.

No, this is totally different.

 

[yaxomoxay]

The best part of the overhaul I have heard is the intention to restrict the majority of work visas to only be given to students and recent college graduates that are attending or have graduated from a US college. Makes perfect sense to me. As an IT worker I have been "displaced" before and can only find temporary/contract jobs currently. I make more money but have zero benefits, I would rather earn less but have benefits like paid medical care and sick leave. Glad I voted for Trump.

That's why after my job was shipped to India and I got canned, I decided to completely change my field of work.

 

[Plutonius]

It will be harder for Apple to be competitive, especially in foreign markets.

Why ?

Compared to the entire budget, the amount dedicated to tech research is small. Paying more for tech workers will cost them very little percentage wise out of the total budget.

 

[mytdave]

"Apple's Ability to Hire Foreign Workers May Be Impacted by Trump Overhaul of Work-Visa Programs."

I sure hope so, but I'm not holding my breath that will actually be the case... How about we hire our own people first?

 

[kstotlani]

Why can’t these employees just do the same job in their own country? If Apple hired 1,000 Indians then just get a building for 1,000 Indians in India. Pay them a comparable Indian salary and just as importantly relieve some of the Silicon Valley housing crisis. These tech companies are all about globalization except oddly for their own employees, and you can’t tell me it’s essential for all these foreign hires to be in the same location. They just want to share the relative greatness of the US soil while paying no attention to what the economic impact is on the natives.

Have you been living under a rock? There are 100s of thousand of Indians working from India for a lot of consulting and product firms.

You also need a lesson in history if you are going to call yourself native.

 

[StevieD100]

Exactly. Trump should revoke every H1B visa and force the affected companies to hire Americans.

And watch the rates for US people double overnight and then the skilled poole will be exhausted so multi-nationals will just move the whole team/teams/departments/sites abroad.
That means less money being spent in a locality which hurts the local economy.
the only winners are the foreign economies.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Denying facts don't make them go away.

In my neighborhood I see a lot of young people capable of working. I listen to their attitudes (I am not flipping' no burgers at McDonald for 9 dollars) and they instead stand on street corners, drinking, druggin', dealing etc.
They will not even try to get a job. They feel entitled and use welfare.

Funny enough, they have cell phones, $ 130 sneakers, gold chains etc., despite's NOT working a real job.

That is only in my small town. In larger metropolitan areas it has to be worse, hence crime every place. Detroit, Chicago, LA, NY City.

When companies in my area have jobs to fill , these people NEVER show up.

 

[alex2792]

That's why after my job was shipped to India and I got canned, I decided to completely change my field of work.

Yup same here, went into a field that requires a mix of technical, business and people skills. Now, I no longer have to worry about being outsourced since a part of my job is analyzing performance and presenting findings to managers and senior executives, which requires English fluency.

 

[aaronvan]

Source? ..... Cause I'm actually interested, since you claim otherwise.

Why don't you ask the person making extraordinary claims such as "all sweat shops have been found out and will soon disappear" to prove their statements.

And watch the rates for US people double overnight...

You make it sound like doubling worker wages is a bad thing.

In my neighborhood I see a lot of young people capable of working. I listen to their attitudes (I am not flipping' no burgers at McDonald for 9 dollars) and they instead stand on street corners, drinking, druggin', dealing etc. They will not even try to get a job. They feel entitled and use welfare.

Well, when you put it that way I agree. Obama made it too easy not to work. That's going to change.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Denying facts don't make them go away.

In my neighborhood I see a lot of young people capable of working. I listen to their attitudes (I am not flipping' no burgers at McDonald for 9 dollars) and they instead stand on street corners, drinking, druggin', dealing etc.
They will not even try to get a job. They feel entitled and use welfare.

Funny enough, they have cell phones, $ 130 sneakers, gold chains etc., despite's eNOYT working a real job.

That is only in my small town. In larger metropolitan areas it has to be worse, hence crime every place. Detroit, Chicago, LA, NY City.

When companies in my area have jobs to fill , these people NEVER show up.

I agree that what you described is part of the problem, but it is way more complex than that.

 

[usarioclave]

What I really love about this discussion is that people from the very area of the political spectrum that for many many years has been complaining about affirmative action programs is now cheering Trump for planning to introduce what is effectively an affirmative action program to get more Americans into STEM careers.

It's not affirmative action, it's changing the financial calculations for H1Bs/cheap foreign labor. There are plenty of Americans who are being replaced by cheap H1B labor.

 

[kemal]

It will be over in 45 days. Remember the other two branches of the US government: Press and ACLU.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Yup same here, went into a field that requires a mix of technical, business and people skills. Now, I no longer have to worry about being outsourced since a part of my job is analyzing performance and presenting findings to managers and senior executives, which requires English fluency.

ahahah Same here! I even left the private sector (not likely going back) and I am a public employee now. Much better, less stress, still a lot of work
(if not more), and no risk to see my job shipped to China or India. As a plus, I truly get engaged with my own community, even if I have a "desk job".

 

[genovelle]

Why can’t these employees just do the same job in their own country? If Apple hired 1,000 Indians then just get a building for 1,000 Indians in India. Pay them a comparable Indian salary and just as importantly relieve some of the Silicon Valley housing crisis. These tech companies are all about globalization except oddly for their own employees, and you can’t tell me it’s essential for all these foreign hires to be in the same location. They just want to share the relative greatness of the US soil while paying no attention to what the economic impact is on the natives.

I think the missing point here is, if Apple has to fill a large portion of their openings with people living in India, they will move managers their and hire less people here. It's important for teams to be together. They would just move the people who are from here to a different country to work. One where they can have a diverse group without government interference. Guess who with miss out on the taxes paid by the workers?

 

[magicschoolbus]

Oh no - Apple might be forced to hire American workers!
What a shame!

 

[aaronvan]

Oh no - Apple might be forced to hire American workers!
What a shame!

It's what the neoliberal globalists fear.

 

[magicschoolbus]

It's what the neoliberal globalists fear.

Yup. Hopefully they ban the H1B program next.

 

[TallManNY]

Canada has a policy - you cannot hire a foreign worker if you can find existing employees in Canada. Up until Harper, not sure if its been reversed but foreign workers must be paid the same as a resident. Foreign workers cannot be used to decrease the salary.

I don't see a problem with this.

Mind you, there were ways around this.

The rules for H-1B Visas are largely the same. The U.S. government reviewed the employees salary and it must at least meet a minimum set by the government for that job. But these rules have the same "work arounds".

 

[Bmoreguy03]

This is the only Trump thing I agree with

 

[Thunderhawks]

I agree that what you described is part of the problem, but it is way more complex than that.

Yes, but where to begin?

I can understand and agree that Americans should be first in their country given all things are equal, but without a solid educational base and exaggerated wants it will never get better.

Just one example:
Older and wiser now, I am still working off the debts accumulated to live a life I couldn't really afford (another typical problem in USA), just to give my kids a good upbringing. (Based on their expectations)
Wife and kids American and me a foreigner from a blue collar upbringing (i.e. we didn't get everything we wanted and were cheap child labor in the family pub business. We worked and a lot!) led to a lot of family fights, tears and non understanding of not having enough money to do everything they wanted were very disappointing.

In over 20 years my kids NEVER helped significantly to work in the business. My fault for not forcing the issue, as I didn't want constant fights. In hindsight bad job by me.

It is a lost art to tell you kids: No, we can't afford this! Or, to force them to do things against their will.

 

[usarioclave]

I got confused, some other visa is the one that allows you to come to the US if you set up a company. That's not the same as the 500k visa. It's interesting how hard it is to find information about it, time to do some research. Basically it allows you to and come to the US to "Set up" your business. Your spouse gets a work visa too! I think it was 6 years or something like that.

Anyway, anything to stem H1B visa abuse is a good thing. I remember one place I worked had like 6 Indian guys bunking in a 1BR apartment; they were software development and QA. My neighbors at the time were 5 Indian guys and one of their moms in a 2BR.

They all were really nice, but it was pretty clear they were all getting like 35-50k...or at least their employer was. Who knows how much they were getting paid.

 

[jdillings]

Hallelujah! It's about time, the H1B program is abused mercilessly by pretty much every tech company to replace American workers with cheap foreign labor. I bet those Disney employees who had to train their Indian replacements before being let go are dancing in the streets.

And it's not just tech workers that are being replaced by cheap H1B labor. McDonalds fired over 70 accountants this year and replaced them with cheap H1B workers. It's no longer only a problem for tech workers.