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Oh, this story is going to run like crazy over random new media, because bad Apple... Despite being based on n = 1 and a self-invented hypothesis for which there's practically no proof.

Congratulation, you've discovered the meaning of hypothesis. Proof is in the benchmark. As to proof of what that is... If recreated, this will be known as fact. Simple.

My phone just lowered the battery percentage from 100 to 53 in 35 minutes and now it is staying on 53 for no reason.

Geekbench shows a consistent, if perhaps less-than-significant decrease in performance. I'll wait for the battery to go lower, but the plateauing in battery drain could be consistant with performance throttling.
 
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I’ve I’ve tested my iPhone 6 with CPU DasherX, fully charged and AC connected. CPU throttled at 839 MHz running iOS 11.2 with no apps. See photo attached.

When unplugged, CPU lowered to 829 MHz. I then launched HayDay App and the CPU went again to 839 mhz.

Where is my presumed CPU clock of 1400 MHz for an iPhone 6, Apple?

Is this a programmed obsolescence issue by deliberately lowering down the CPU performance of our iPhones?

This is upsetting...
 
On the Settings app, under "battery", there's a message telling me my battery may need servicing.

There's a link to a customer support page dating from 11/29.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207453

And here are the benchmarks for today on my 10.3.3 iPhone 6 with a 3 years old battery(bought december 2014, 3 years ao almost day-to-day).

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Notice the rapid drop in battery and throttling of performance at 30%.

So. This real.

Edit : My phone was 100% charged on the first test btw. I mostly keep it plugged all the time to an external battery or power source now.
 
How can you actually prove its Apple affecting older phones and batteries.?

Older batteries don't much more of a charge anyway..

iOS 11 is just not that good on older devices... because hardware is not as good.

Apple won't tell you that because they want everyone to be on the latest OS anyway.


Let's be quite honest here - iOS 11 is no "frog leap" over iOS 10. There are certain changes but there really isn't anything monumental that would justify such dramatic decrease in speed of older phones.
 
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I’ll explain: battery issue should not affect the SPEED of the phone. But apparently it does here.
(Does less gas in your car mean that you can’t drive as fast?)

A bad battery usually has not only a lower capacity but also reduced performance (such as a higher resistance) and that could affect the (top)-speed of the phone (not saying that it has to in every case). For your analogy that would equate to a kink in the fuel-line reducing the maximum flow and that certainly can affect its performance.

This is all speculation but if the iPhone reduces its speed instead of performing a brown-out reset due to voltage drop I would consider that good engineering but of course it would be nice to be informed about whats happening.
 
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I wasn’t going to write anything here! But since there are users here either stating that they don’t believe this story or that if it does exist this is a nice measure by apple... I had to write this:

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These are 2 iphone 6 bought on the same day, the battery life was at 85% and 83% respectively.

I can tell you that the white one was unusable. It would make writing a simple sms or answering a call nearly impossible due to the lag.
So... having an iPhone performing like that is not a good measure if you want it to last a full day. Because you simple cannot use it. And if you say otherwise I am sure you never tried to use it like this.

As for the battery replacement. The white one after this test I had the battery replaced, I suspected this performance was either a faulty chip or a some kind of throttling due to battery life. However I changed a battery in a 3rd party store and the performance was the same.

After this article came out yesterday I sent them to the same store again and they are swapping right now the batteries of the white with the black if this results in the white regaining the speed this will prove that it is battery related.

TL;DR, People who claim that this is a conspiracy theory should just shut up and look at the evidence. People who claim this is a good measure to keep the iPhone to last a full day, need to use one with these conditions and see for themselves how stupid those comments are.
 
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A bad battery usually has not only a lower capacity but also reduced performance (such as a higher resistance) and that could affect the (top)-speed of the phone (not saying that it has to in every case). For your analogy that would equate to a kink in the fuel-line reducing the maximum flow and that certainly can affect its performance.

This is all speculation but if the iPhone reduces its speed instead of performing a brown-out reset due to voltage drop I would consider that good engineering but of course it would be nice to be informed about whats happening.

And I call it sweeping the dust under the carpet. There has been a feature called "power saving mode" on iOS since iOS9. Or was it 8? Anyway, that is not it.

All in all, people claiming that those with throttling issues are crazy conspirationists should issue an apology. I'm thinking about the recent media "crackdown" on the matter of so-called "deluded users", including the New York Times.

Also, the 10.2.X update hasn't fixed the random shutdowns at all, which still occur in my experience.
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I wasn’t going to write anything here! But since there are users here either stating that they don’t believe this story or that if it does exist this is a nice measure by apple... I had to write this:

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These are 2 iphone 6 bought on the same day, the battery life was at 85% and 83% respectively.

I can tell you that the white one was unusable. It would make writing a simple sms or answering a call nearly impossible due to the lag.
So... having an iphone preforming like that is not a good measure if you want it to last a full day. Because you simple cannot use it. And if you say otherwise I am sure you never tried to use it like this.

As for the battery replacement. The white one after this test I had the battery replaced, I suspected this performance was either a faulty chip or a some kind of throttling due to battery life. However I changed a battery in a 3rd party store and the performance was the same.

After this article came out I sent it to the same store again and they are swapping right now the batteries of the white with the black if this results in the white regaining the speed this will prove that it is battery related.

TL;DR, People who claim that this is a conspiracy theory should just shut up and look at the evidence. People who claim this is a good measure to keep the iPhone to last a full day, need to use one with these conditions and see for themselves how stupid those comments are.

Did you buy them new or used? What's the OS version on each? Did the white slower one really have 83% battery at the time of testing? Cause if you confirm, wow that's bad.
[doublepost=1513071301][/doublepost]I don't call this good engineering.

There are 2 ways to look at it.

Either the phone doesn't poop out mid-battery life, and that's clever, but on the other hand they could just include that under "power saving mode", but there is no connection between power saving mode and that "feature", so it's sneaky however you look at it.

Or, another way to look at it is Apple uses the batterie's cycle count as a means to implement planned obsolescence by artificially crippling older phones. "But if the battery fails, the whole phone fails anyway", you'll object. I wouldn't see why breaking the camera lens would cripple the CPU for instance. So why the battery ? And where does the sweet spot lie and how does Apple decide to implement that ?

It sounds like all too literal gaslighting. "Isn't the light dimming? No it's not, you just have newer phone envy!" Seems to me that this way, Apple progressively lets the frustration build up, and unless the user goes to the battery settings, they won't know that there is actually a problem.

Add to that the fact that a battery replacement offers no garantee that Apple won't cripple your phone again whenever they see fit, and of course that Apple will upgrade your phone to the latest OS as a compulsory measure, so you'll lose out on performance anyway.
 
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Both were bought new and sealed at 20 December 2014, both were running on version 11.1.1 at the time of the test. I started to notice a huge difference of performance when passing from ios10 to 11.
I tested both batteries with an app called battery life and has I said the black on was 85% and the white 83% of life.

I will let you know as soon as the store tells me something.
 
I don't get why Apple would do this (nor HOW they would do it). All slowing down someone's iPhone would do is make that person get frustrated and want to get a different phone -- and possibly not an iPhone. If, on the other hand, the person simply had a much shorter battery life, at least the iPhone would still be performing properly and perhaps encourage the person to either get it repaired or upgraded.

Now times that scenario by a couple of million.
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I wasn’t going to write anything here! But since there are users here either stating that they don’t believe this story or that if it does exist this is a nice measure by apple... I had to write this:

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These are 2 iphone 6 bought on the same day, the battery life was at 85% and 83% respectively.

I can tell you that the white one was unusable. It would make writing a simple sms or answering a call nearly impossible due to the lag.
So... having an iPhone performing like that is not a good measure if you want it to last a full day. Because you simple cannot use it. And if you say otherwise I am sure you never tried to use it like this.

As for the battery replacement. The white one after this test I had the battery replaced, I suspected this performance was either a faulty chip or a some kind of throttling due to battery life. However I changed a battery in a 3rd party store and the performance was the same.

After this article came out yesterday I sent them to the same store again and they are swapping right now the batteries of the white with the black if this results in the white regaining the speed this will prove that it is battery related.

TL;DR, People who claim that this is a conspiracy theory should just shut up and look at the evidence. People who claim this is a good measure to keep the iPhone to last a full day, need to use one with these conditions and see for themselves how stupid those comments are.

Waiting to see results of this. Thank you.
 
I do think that throttling affects all iPhones, no matter which one. It depends only on battery life not the exact model, so for now almost every 6' are affected, with 6s' just right behind. Few 7' could be affected because battery health is degrading as time goes by. In next 3 yrs this will affect 8 or X if nothing will change.
 
View attachment 741658 I’ve I’ve tested my iPhone 6 with CPU DasherX, fully charged and AC connected. CPU throttled at 839 MHz running iOS 11.2 with no apps. See photo attached.

When unplugged, CPU lowered to 829 MHz. I then launched HayDay App and the CPU went again to 839 mhz.

Where is my presumed CPU clock of 1400 MHz for an iPhone 6, Apple?

Is this a programmed obsolescence issue by deliberately lowering down the CPU performance of our iPhones?

This is upsetting...

It doesn’t seem to be planned obsolescence. The OS is slowing down the phone because otherwise it would crash because the old battery can’t deliver enough volts.

It’s normal and expected for old batteries to degrade which is why Apple recommends you replace them in 2 years (if you’re on an iPhone 6 you’re probably beyond that by now, depending on when you got it).

Where Apple has screwed up is by not making it clear what was going on. E.g., it should show some kind alert when your battery is dying, that you should have it replaced, and that it has to slow down your phone until you do.
 
I haven't bought Geekbench, but I have been checking CPU Dasher on my iPhone 7 intermittently since yesterday. There's definitely some correlation between the charge percentage and CPU Frequency. (For the record, the phone is a year old and is reporting 87-92% battery capacity.) When the battery is charged above ~85%, Dasher reports 2.34Ghz. Between 50%-85%, Dasher reports 1.64Ghz. I can't say that the phone feels obviously slower at those lower frequencies.

I feel like there's a lot going on here that we just can't be certain about. Is Dasher reporting the correct frequency? Is Geekbench actually being given full reign to max out the CPU? I thought iOS generally optimizes hardware usage for better battery life and "real world" performance, so we can't really know what inner workings are going on when we run programs like Dasher or Geekbench. Maybe iOS just decides "the battery isn't gonna last long running this program, and they're not user-interactive, so there's no reason to give them the full CPU"?

It would be nice to hear Apple make an official statement on this. But unfortunately this story seems to be gaining little traction across the internet, so they don't really have a reason to.
 
The battery on my iPhone 6S had to be charged every 2 hours. I took screen shots when it was at 100% charged and thereafter every 15 minutes. The phone slowed down almost to a crawl. I could not send a minute long video through iMessage, using instead WhatsApp.
I called Apple and they logged into my phone and said there were issues with the battery. I took it to the Apple store and got a new phone. Unless you make noise and whole lot of it you will get screwed every time.
 
All in all, people claiming that those with throttling issues are crazy conspirationists should issue an apology. I'm thinking about the recent media "crackdown" on the matter of so-called "deluded users", including the New York Times.
Throughout the years, the posters here have been wrong with regards to speculation of Apple news in one way or another.

If you want to start counting everyone's sins here and draw up a roster of who ought to be apologising to whom, then let's go all the way back to the beginning. I can easily think of several members who would be standing way in front of me in line...

Starting with those who have been claiming that Apple is doomed, year after year after year....
 
Hi everybody, I am new to this forum, which I found when searching for info about my poor iPhone 6s performance and battery life.
I also ran Geekbench 4 and CPU Dasher X on my iPhone 6s running iOS 11.1.2.
Tests were made at about 50% battery and then at about 40%. results were quite similar.
Results:
1) according to Dasher X my iPhone runs at 911 Mhz (vs 1,848);
2) GB tests report 1549 (vs 2376) on single core test, 2495 (vs 3994) on multi core test and 8461 (vs 10143) on compute test.
So I guess this iPhone is affected by the CPU throttling thing.
The bad thing is the nearest Apple Store around is about 60 miles from where I live. :-(
 
Your imagination is wild.
It’s not just Geekbench, try some other apps like CPU Dasher, which can show the clock speed and you will know it’s true.
"Search your feelings, you know it to be true"
but thanks for the high words on the imagination.
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We must not let Apple get away with this sort of nonsense. I am furious.
Light the torches!! youre furious because your phone won't launch apps in under a second and the extra time you waste waiting for your phone to load, you could be on these forums being furious at Apple!!!
 
I think he is furious that without a warning Apple simply has put iPhones in such a situation that if you want to send an urgent message or a even make a call like right now you are unable to because the iPhone simply doesn't respond.

Again i will say what I said before, you people don't have a clue of how much of a difference it makes in simple things like sending sms or making calls it's borderline unbearable. it's not a question of one or 2 miliseconds, on the case of opening the phone app, scroll the desired contact and press call it can take more than 5 seconds what a phone without these issues would take.

So before you start complaining about how other people are simply complaining too much, put yourself in a position where you have a phone like that and you just had an accident and can't even call someone for help. It is that bad. Don't confuse yourself, test a device like that and then we can talk.

And from what I am understanding this started to happen in iOS 11, or at least it started being visible by then, and there isn't an "official" way of going back to iOS 10, so the users with the "bad" phones could at least have a choice of newer ios or better performance.
 
If this story turns out to be true (and it’s not an issue with Geekbench reporting wrong scores or anything like that) I am not happy about this.

I would be ok with this behavior if it only happened with batteries that are more than two years old (or defective) and you were notified. But slowing down my phone without telling me and letting me guess as to why it is slower than it used to be is not an acceptable way to go about this in my opinion.
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It would be nice to hear Apple make an official statement on this. But unfortunately this story seems to be gaining little traction across the internet, so they don't really have a reason to.

I don’t know. I think that some tech sites will probably conduct some experiments to find out what exactly is going on and how many people are really affected.

Also I expect a site like macrumors to follow up on this, but I guess we will see.

I am still hoping that there is some positive explanation for this - I don’t think there is any kind of evil plot behind this, because Geekbench is easy to download for anyone and this behavior is not really hidden at all.
 
Seems to be true. Tried on a friend iPhone 6S with extensive battery wear (47%) , the CPU is clocked at 600 MHz.
[doublepost=1513091301][/doublepost]The article is wrong were it shows before after battery wear. That's before and after battery drain. The battery wear refers to current max capacity vs new (battery) capacity.
 
Hence, it is unlikely to be a battery / power issue but more of a throttling through software after the battery degrades to a certain point.
They would almost have to do it this way. Otherwise, people will easily notice it's faster when plugged in (charging) or run tests with it plugged in vs unplugged.
 
Anybody remember the battery thing with iPod nano? :/

Yeah, vaguely, I owned one of those. Gen 1, IIRC. Swollen battery/fire hazard, wasn't it? I also remember a MacBook model that had batteries that were actually catching fire. Lithium batteries are a tricky tech, even today. But I don't think the Nano issue is relevant here? I could be missing something.
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I wasn’t going to write anything here! But since there are users here either stating that they don’t believe this story or that if it does exist this is a nice measure by apple... I had to write this:

These are 2 iphone 6 bought on the same day, the battery life was at 85% and 83% respectively.

I can tell you that the white one was unusable. It would make writing a simple sms or answering a call nearly impossible due to the lag.
So... having an iPhone performing like that is not a good measure if you want it to last a full day. Because you simple cannot use it. And if you say otherwise I am sure you never tried to use it like this.

As for the battery replacement. The white one after this test I had the battery replaced, I suspected this performance was either a faulty chip or a some kind of throttling due to battery life. However I changed a battery in a 3rd party store and the performance was the same.

After this article came out yesterday I sent them to the same store again and they are swapping right now the batteries of the white with the black if this results in the white regaining the speed this will prove that it is battery related.

TL;DR, People who claim that this is a conspiracy theory should just shut up and look at the evidence. People who claim this is a good measure to keep the iPhone to last a full day, need to use one with these conditions and see for themselves how stupid those comments are.

Maybe I need more coffee, but I'm not understanding your point. You have two iPhone 6 phones. Both were purchased new at the same time. Both are running the same version of iOS (and, we assume have the same power settings). Both have essentially the same "battery life" (= % charge?). One performs noticeably faster than the other.

To what are you attributing the performance difference? You didn't comment on number of charge cycles or other indicators of battery "health" (as opposed to charge level).

If performance flips after the battery swap, you would appear to be onto something, but it seems hard to know exactly what, beyond speculating. All we seem to be doing is setting ourselves up for a logical problem: post hoc ergo propter hoc. Help me out here please.
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That picture doesn't prove any point. It could be a hardware issue, settings issue, photoshop or maybe other types of things.

Truly. Settings would be my bet.
 
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