If it’s cost control That’s fine with me. I don’t particularly care. Maybe Apple stock will go up even more than it has.
But as I said in another post, between the op and this post I had the battery replaced. There goes all of the profits.
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Apple's Alleged Throttling of Older iPhones With Degraded Batteries Causes Controversy
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But as I said in another post, between the op and this post I had the battery replaced. There goes all of the profits.
One small comment, it's not really a reboot, it's hard crash, like somebody pulling the (power supply) plug on a desktop computer. If then you warm up the phone and its battery, you can boot it up again and it can keep running for several hours. Sometimes the charge level displayed after this will show a very low value (I've seen 0% and 1%) but the phone will keep working for maybe up to an hour with the charge level staying steady at this 0%.
From my personal experience, battery is down the drain when south of 85%. Also, was thinking more of devices outside warranty, but to be honest I never had any problems with iOS devices. Never used iOS device more than 2 yrs.
Same, I've always gotten a new phone at the 2 year marker or earlier.
I keep planning on keeping it longer but ... I am not strong enough.OK, but I say, that there are other points for doing what they did... Not saying they should not change that batteries...
Same, I've always gotten a new phone at the 2 year marker or earlier.
From 7plus to X this time... X is different ball game tho... Had to check it out
Need to replace my Dad's iPhone 6 battery shortly (swelling). I'll have to do a geekbench before and after and see what results I get. I had just replaced the battery in my work provided iPhone 6 a couple weeks ago (same issue), but I didn't run geekbench before or after and use it so rarely I didn't noticed anything.
[doublepost=1513028711][/doublepost]I have an iPhone 6s, I used to have the battery issue mentioned above, for this reason, Apple replaced my iPhone last year for free (don't ask me why they didn't replace only the battery!).
A Reddit post over the weekend has drawn a flurry of interest after an iPhone 6s owner reported that a battery replacement significantly increased the device's performance running iOS 11. The ensuing discussion thread, also picked up by readers in the MacRumors forum, has led to speculation that Apple intentionally slows down older phones to retain a full day's charge if the battery has degraded over time.
According to TeckFire, the author of the original Reddit post, their iPhone had been very slow after updating to iOS 11, especially compared to their brother's iPhone 6 Plus, so they decided to do some research with GeekBench and battery life apps, and ended up replacing the battery.
Just over a year ago, Apple launched a repair program for iPhone 6s owners after some users reported their devices were unexpectedly shutting down. Apple said the problem was down to a manufacturing issue affecting a "very small" number of iPhone 6s devices, and offered battery replacements free of charge to owners of devices within a limited serial number range.
MacRumors' Geekbench scores for iPhone 6s before and after battery drain
Around two months later, Apple released iOS 10.2.1 and said the update resulted in an 80 percent reduction in unexpected shutdowns on iPhone 6s and a 70 percent reduction on iPhone 6 devices. However, Apple explained this was about fixing a more widely reported issue caused by uneven power delivery from older batteries, and claimed it was separate from the manufacturing fault that had caused it to recall a select number of iPhone 6s devices.
This weekend's Reddit thread - running to over 500 comments as of writing - appears to have kicked off a wave of speculation about whether the two shutdown issues are in fact related, and that Apple's fix involves dynamically throttling the phones' maximum clock speeds relative to battery output (voltage), to prevent them from drawing too much power and shutting down.
Reports that the performance of iPhone 6 series models can be improved by replacing the battery aren't entirely new, but the suggestion that Apple is intentionally throttling the performance of older devices, for whatever reason, is bound to cause controversy. We've contacted Apple for comment or clarification.
In the meantime, users interested in checking their phone's performance are also using the free CpuDasherX app to compare running clock speeds (a factory iPhone 6s comes in at 1,848MHz, for example). Let us know your findings in the comments below. Lastly, it's worth noting that DIY iPhone battery replacements or repairs performed by a third party will void any Apple warranty still covering said devices.
Article Link: Apple's Alleged Throttling of Older iPhones With Degraded Batteries Causes Controversy
I have installed some time ago the GeekBench app and I notice also on my iPhone a degradation in performance according to the expected benchmarks for an iPhone 6s. I have IOS 11.2 Installed on my device.
After I ran the test and get the results I realized that I didn't reboot my iPhone for days and I used to have a few application in the background. So I thought that would be better to repeat the test in a "clean" situation.
1) Press the "Power" button until you see "Slide to Shutdown"
2) Press and hold the "home" button until the screen "flash" and you are back to the main springboard screen.
Point (2) completely clean the memory of the device (similar to a "reboot").
I ran the benchmark again from GeekBench and with surprise I got a very high score, sometimes higher comparing with the benchmarks for an iPhone 6s.
Conclusion: I believe IOS 11 is the basic issue here. It is still not completely optimized and hogging the device's resources, even it is improved a lot since the first release.
I literally got my battery replaced 30 mins ago when I read about this(was part of the recall but never got around to it). Went from about 719Mhz to ~1800Mhz immediately post battery install and its been there since. It was dogged slow for some of my apps, and its back to normal now. Conspiracy? Not to me. Its proof that apple does slow it down. I for one would prefer normal speeds to loss of battery life. I can prepare for low battery life(turn on low power etc), but when I cannot run apps I was able to run easily before, its infuriating.
Battery percentage is around the same, I had reset the phone etc. Nothing other than the battery change.
Battery percentage is around the same, I had reset the phone etc. Nothing other than the battery change.
Whoops, I presumed this was common knowledge... as bad as it is.
I have a large fleet of iPhone 6 - plus my own and my wife's. Most of them have very worn batteries - as in they only last around 6 hours between charges
However, at the same time those batteries all began to die about a year ago, those same iPhones became extremely unresponsive. We're talking MASSIVE lag when opening apps, switching apps, starting the phone, anything that would normally involve a small delay all take extensive lengths of time.
Happens with every phone that has atrocious battery life, so figured it was standard that Apple throttles the CPU down when the battery is poor.
Personally I'd rather the iPhone instead just have even worse battery life - rather than pushing for new batteries or new iPhones people have instead been wanting out of their barely usable iOS experience
I have a large fleet of iPhone 6 - plus my own and my wife's. Most of them have very worn batteries - as in they only last around 6 hours between charges
However, at the same time those batteries all began to die about a year ago, those same iPhones became extremely unresponsive. We're talking MASSIVE lag when opening apps, switching apps, starting the phone, anything that would normally involve a small delay all take extensive lengths of time.
Happens with every phone that has atrocious battery life, so figured it was standard that Apple throttles the CPU down when the battery is poor.
Personally I'd rather the iPhone instead just have even worse battery life - rather than pushing for new batteries or new iPhones people have instead been wanting out of their barely usable iOS experience
Of course you can. Alternative facts. Think: alternative facts. Don't be constrained, no one else here is, or anywhere else these days.
So....people here really believe this is a nefarious plot by apple instead of the natural adjustments the power management frameworks in iOS does?
I'd like to see a technical analysis of what's going on, rather than a ****ing benchmark that doesn't give any actual information of WHY it's happening.
I'd like to see a technical analysis of what's going on, rather than a ****ing benchmark that doesn't give any actual information of WHY it's happening.
COU DasherX confirms 839MHz... only friggen moly no wonder they're barely usable...
Excellent point. Running benchmarks without rebooting as you describe runs the risk of providing meaningless, or at least less meaningful, results.
I posted this to the Apple Support Forums about 15 minutes ago, and just got a notice from Apple that they removed the post, so I'm posting it here. I guess it hit a little too close to home...
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After sifting through this thread on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_yo ur_battery/) and these related articles (https://9to5mac.com/2017/12/10/iphone-6s-slow-down-battery-fix/ and https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/11/alleged-throttling-old-iphones-battery-cont roversy/), I thought I'd start this thread in the hopes that we can get a bunch of iPhone 6/6s users to compile their data. There's definitely something weird going on here, so the more data we can collect, who knows...maybe something good can come from it?
Below, you'll see my device details and the test results showing the quick performance decline. I don't even get to 80% battery life before my CPU gets underclocked.
These are the tools used to gather the info...
iBackupBot (http://www.icopybot.com/itunes-backup-manager.htm) — Mac/Windows app to get basic battery details (cycles, capacity, etc.).
GeekBench (https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/geekbench-4/id1130770356?mt=8) — Used to benchmark the CPU. Note, this is a paid app.
CPU DasherX (https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/cpu-dasherx/id1168527539?mt=8) — Used to verify the phone's CPU speed (and see if it's being underclocked).
iPhone 6
Purchased: December 2015
iOS: 11.2
Battery Cycle Count: 665
Battery Design Capacity: 1751
Battery Full Charge Capacity: 1600
Battery @ 100% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1322 (Single) ; 2241 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 1340 (Single) ; 2290 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 90% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 1332 (Single) ; 2265 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 85% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 834 (Single) ; 1387 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz
Battery @ 70% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 773 (Single) ; 1342 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 600 Mhz
I then plugged the iPhone back in and started running the tests again as the battery regained its charge...
Battery @ 85% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 967 (Single) ; 1779 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz
Battery @ 90% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1328 (Single) ; 2232 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1126 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1320 (Single) ; 2243 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (plugged in — LOW POWER MODE ON)
GeekBench: 981 (Single) ; 1655 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz <- makes sense as device is in low power mode
I've already ordered a battery replacement from iFixit and I'll re-run all these tests again once I've installed it.
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After sifting through this thread on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_yo ur_battery/) and these related articles (https://9to5mac.com/2017/12/10/iphone-6s-slow-down-battery-fix/ and https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/11/alleged-throttling-old-iphones-battery-cont roversy/), I thought I'd start this thread in the hopes that we can get a bunch of iPhone 6/6s users to compile their data. There's definitely something weird going on here, so the more data we can collect, who knows...maybe something good can come from it?
Below, you'll see my device details and the test results showing the quick performance decline. I don't even get to 80% battery life before my CPU gets underclocked.
These are the tools used to gather the info...
iBackupBot (http://www.icopybot.com/itunes-backup-manager.htm) — Mac/Windows app to get basic battery details (cycles, capacity, etc.).
GeekBench (https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/geekbench-4/id1130770356?mt=8) — Used to benchmark the CPU. Note, this is a paid app.
CPU DasherX (https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/cpu-dasherx/id1168527539?mt=8) — Used to verify the phone's CPU speed (and see if it's being underclocked).
iPhone 6
Purchased: December 2015
iOS: 11.2
Battery Cycle Count: 665
Battery Design Capacity: 1751
Battery Full Charge Capacity: 1600
Battery @ 100% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1322 (Single) ; 2241 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 1340 (Single) ; 2290 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 90% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 1332 (Single) ; 2265 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 85% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 834 (Single) ; 1387 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz
Battery @ 70% (unplugged)
GeekBench: 773 (Single) ; 1342 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 600 Mhz
I then plugged the iPhone back in and started running the tests again as the battery regained its charge...
Battery @ 85% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 967 (Single) ; 1779 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz
Battery @ 90% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1328 (Single) ; 2232 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1126 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (plugged in)
GeekBench: 1320 (Single) ; 2243 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 1127 Mhz
Battery @ 100% (plugged in — LOW POWER MODE ON)
GeekBench: 981 (Single) ; 1655 (Multi)
CPU DasherX: 839 Mhz <- makes sense as device is in low power mode
I've already ordered a battery replacement from iFixit and I'll re-run all these tests again once I've installed it.
My stats iPhone 6s about 1.5 years old.
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With low power mode on stats. Something is definitely weird here. With low power mode on I am getting a better score.
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Wow, almost in the triple digits for single core. Have you tried restarting and retesting?
[doublepost=1513037916][/doublepost]I have a 6plus. Remaining battery capacity is 81%, Clock speed is reported at 1400MHz.
A Reddit post over the weekend has drawn a flurry of interest after an iPhone 6s owner reported that a battery replacement significantly increased the device's performance running iOS 11. The ensuing discussion thread, also picked up by readers in the MacRumors forum, has led to speculation that Apple intentionally slows down older phones to retain a full day's charge if the battery has degraded over time.
According to TeckFire, the author of the original Reddit post, their iPhone had been very slow after updating to iOS 11, especially compared to their brother's iPhone 6 Plus, so they decided to do some research with GeekBench and battery life apps, and ended up replacing the battery.
Just over a year ago, Apple launched a repair program for iPhone 6s owners after some users reported their devices were unexpectedly shutting down. Apple said the problem was down to a manufacturing issue affecting a "very small" number of iPhone 6s devices, and offered battery replacements free of charge to owners of devices within a limited serial number range.
MacRumors' Geekbench scores for iPhone 6s before and after battery drain
Around two months later, Apple released iOS 10.2.1 and said the update resulted in an 80 percent reduction in unexpected shutdowns on iPhone 6s and a 70 percent reduction on iPhone 6 devices. However, Apple explained this was about fixing a more widely reported issue caused by uneven power delivery from older batteries, and claimed it was separate from the manufacturing fault that had caused it to recall a select number of iPhone 6s devices.
This weekend's Reddit thread - running to over 500 comments as of writing - appears to have kicked off a wave of speculation about whether the two shutdown issues are in fact related, and that Apple's fix involves dynamically throttling the phones' maximum clock speeds relative to battery output (voltage), to prevent them from drawing too much power and shutting down.
Reports that the performance of iPhone 6 series models can be improved by replacing the battery aren't entirely new, but the suggestion that Apple is intentionally throttling the performance of older devices, for whatever reason, is bound to cause controversy. We've contacted Apple for comment or clarification.
In the meantime, users interested in checking their phone's performance are also using the free CpuDasherX app to compare running clock speeds (a factory iPhone 6s comes in at 1,848MHz, for example). Let us know your findings in the comments below. Lastly, it's worth noting that DIY iPhone battery replacements or repairs performed by a third party will void any Apple warranty still covering said devices.
Article Link: Apple's Alleged Throttling of Older iPhones With Degraded Batteries Causes Controversy
Very disappointing that Apple would do this.....
I restarted my phone and closed all apps and reran it and this is what I got. I also charged my phone in the meantime and this is my score at 92- 93% battery life
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These benchmarks will be useless in the future as all data comes directly from Apple's Apis. In the next update apple can simply give false benchmark data to calm people down.
Well went to mall and got battery changed out.
Here are the after changeout benchmarks.. Feels like I got a new phone, Screw u Apple, I'm holding out another year. I'm gonna guess there may be a class action on this one.
