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Apple's anti-competitive behavior with browsers: Why does Apple get a pass?
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Do you know anything about business or antitrust law?
How old are you OP bc you don't know what you are talking about in the above qoute
Calidude
The more pertinent question here is "why are YOU here and why do YOU get a pass?"
Some people here are negative about Apple because at the core they want the company to do better.
I don't get the sense that you fit this category and others may not feel the same either. They perceive you as someone that just wants to play the spoiler.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
Despite my use of the word "anti-competitive", I am not suggesting that any litigation take place. I hate lawyers. I just think Apple gets away with murder when it comes to creating a mobile OS.
My age is hardly an issue here.
This describes me as well. However, I consider a company to be "doing better" when they actually serve their customers needs to a high standard that meets of exceeds that of the competition, and don't tell me that disallowing users from setting a default browser ruins the experience for the children, adults and senior citizens who use iOS because quite frankly, that's BS.
I definitely think that you should be able to set default applications on iOS rather than being forced into Safari when you open links from other applications.
Personally I have always preferred how Gecko (Firefox) renders pages & text compared to WebKit, so it would definitely be nice to have some competition on iOS.
It's my understanding that the reason for these restrictions is from a security standpoint though, which seems pretty important when browser exploits are probably the main way that computers get infected with malware/viruses these days.
The only things that have had me even consider replacing Safari on my iPad was bookmark & tab syncing, having a unified search & address bar, changing the search engine, and better tab behaviour.
iOS 5 brought bookmark syncing (though it means I need to use Safari on the desktop) and iOS 6 is adding tab syncing to that.
iOS 5 brought "real" tabs to Safari, and iOS 6 increases the maximum number of tabs from 9 (which I would frequently reach) to 25, which I have never needed yet.
The only things left are to combine the search & address bar, and to add custom search engines, which are relatively minor.
Apple also seems very focused on performance—Safari performance in iOS 6 on the iPad 3 is up 30% in some tests.
Personally I have always preferred how Gecko (Firefox) renders pages & text compared to WebKit, so it would definitely be nice to have some competition on iOS.
It's my understanding that the reason for these restrictions is from a security standpoint though, which seems pretty important when browser exploits are probably the main way that computers get infected with malware/viruses these days.
The only things that have had me even consider replacing Safari on my iPad was bookmark & tab syncing, having a unified search & address bar, changing the search engine, and better tab behaviour.
iOS 5 brought bookmark syncing (though it means I need to use Safari on the desktop) and iOS 6 is adding tab syncing to that.
iOS 5 brought "real" tabs to Safari, and iOS 6 increases the maximum number of tabs from 9 (which I would frequently reach) to 25, which I have never needed yet.
The only things left are to combine the search & address bar, and to add custom search engines, which are relatively minor.
Apple also seems very focused on performance—Safari performance in iOS 6 on the iPad 3 is up 30% in some tests.
They do this because apple wants to control everything about your experience. If you don't like this, don't buy apple products. They do what they do great and its worked for years. If you don't like it go to a different os. That's it.
Trolling. Arguing. Fandroid. iTard. Walled gardens. Open fields. Whatever. All I know is that I'd love it if Chrome were at least as fast as Safari on my iPad.
To be honest... Safari is a bloated piece of crap on OSX, but I don't think it's that bad on iOS - The iOS version is much better than the OSX version. So I think I'll be fine with Chrome on my Macs and Safari on my iDevices.
Nonsense. That IS Microsoft's policy right now. AFAIK you cannot change the default browser on Windows Phone 7. How many people here have bashed MS for that?
http://forums.wpcentral.com/os-discussion/190162.htm
http://windowsphone.stackexchange.com/questions/547/how-to-change-default-browser
Apple wouldn't be citing "security reasons" as an excuse to not allow Google or any other company to showcase a faster browsing engine and trump Apple on their own OS, making Apple much look less innovative than they actually are, would they?
Way to contradict yourself. You now admit as everyone has pointed out to you, that not having a monopoly means what Apple is doing is not anti-competitive or wrong, and then immediately use inflammatory and misleading language AGAIN to support your case by saying Apple is getting away with 'murder'. There I've directly addressed your point.
Now can I can I suggest you're a pointless troll with apparently quite unexceptional abilities to form or argue your position? Go. Away.
It's actually pretty decent. My only problem with it is that it's really sparse on extra features. It's great for browsing, but not much else. If you want to save a webpage (for some weird reason), or send a link to Pocket without having to go through the trouble of setting up a bookmarklet, or send a picture directly to your Dropbox, well...you can't. You'll have to take three or four extra steps to do some things that iCab can do with a single press of a button.
I can understand simplicity and ease of use, but a little flexibility would be nice. Actually, it wouldn't be a problem at all if I could switch browsers without taking a potential performance hit. Or switch my default browser. Or...hell. Blah.
I've already addressed this. I haven't contradicted myself at all. Monopoly doesn't matter and I'm not suggesting that Apple be legally obliged to do anything. It's simply a case of not doing what is best for the users and developers, and that people shouldn't be ok with it.
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I'll bash them right now for it. They're following Apple's policy and they suck for it. However, their mobile OS is pretty irrelevant right now, probably because they're doing a piss poor imitation of iOS.
What? WP7 has. barely has anything in common with iOS. The similarities begin and end with "you can press a button with your finger to check your email".
I think he was in auto mode when said that lol
On topic yeap it will be nice to have these option and of course several others but like some have point out its been these way for a couple of years now and it will stay the same for some more
just get over it, safari works good for what it is.It supposedly has dominance in the tablet market, and are suing a lot of competitors left and right, That could bite them in the ass, regarding their closedness though.
Locked down, closed source, can't install anything outside the Marketplace, simplistic homescreen with not much room for customization (until WP8), can't set default programs, etc.
It's basically got the iOS business model but with Android-like distribution across many handset manufacturers. Big mistake on both counts.
You claimed people here who don't mind Apple's current policy would turn around and bash Microsoft if it had the same policy.
Well, MS does have the same policy now and yet there's no great bashing of them for it that I've seen on this site.
The point is, Apple follows a particular model. They have followed the closed, curated model from the very beginning; it's nothing new. And there is plenty of competition and choice in the mobile phone and mobile OS markets if you don't like that model.
Of course not. They follow the Apple model. There's no bashing of anybody who goes lockstep with the Borg.
I really don't care about anything you guys are bickering about. All I know is that I payed hard earned cash for my iPhone and iPad and I should be able to do what I want with it. I shouldn't have to jailbreak to do things like changing the default browser.
But the fact is that Apple wants to control your entire experience and prevent competition on their own platforms. If anyone doesn't like that, we got plenty of choices.
I don't want to jailbreak since its getting harder and harder to find exploits and there is never any guarantee that we'll see a jailbreak for the next iOS versions or the one after that one. Not to mention that it can cause some apps to behave unstable.
I dont like that I can't do what I want to do with MY phone, my iPhone, which is set Chrome as the default browser, but I'm not complaining or making threads. This just means that the chances of an iPhone being my next phone are much much lower. Which if you think about it, its Apple's loss, not mine.
I'm complaining with my wallet. I've already got a Nexus 7 on the way and if Apple keeps displeasing me, my next phone could also be a Nexus. No need to bicker and complain. Asking Apple to implement a feature is about as useful as talking to a brick wall.
But the fact is that Apple wants to control your entire experience and prevent competition on their own platforms. If anyone doesn't like that, we got plenty of choices.
I don't want to jailbreak since its getting harder and harder to find exploits and there is never any guarantee that we'll see a jailbreak for the next iOS versions or the one after that one. Not to mention that it can cause some apps to behave unstable.
I dont like that I can't do what I want to do with MY phone, my iPhone, which is set Chrome as the default browser, but I'm not complaining or making threads. This just means that the chances of an iPhone being my next phone are much much lower. Which if you think about it, its Apple's loss, not mine.
I'm complaining with my wallet. I've already got a Nexus 7 on the way and if Apple keeps displeasing me, my next phone could also be a Nexus. No need to bicker and complain. Asking Apple to implement a feature is about as useful as talking to a brick wall.
I don't agree with that.
Facebook is making a terrible decision here.
The HTML5 app is effectively used my mobile web users, iOS users and Android users.
That's a huge chunk of their user base. If they'd worked to make it better, partially through the help of Apple and Google, then it'd be better for everyone with less development time.
If anything, it'll mean iOS loses out on new features.
And you know what else is bs? The fact that you are trolling a Mac forum with your android **** that no one gives a flying ******* about.
If apple users have a problem with this whole browser "issue", they will move to another platform; you on the other hand, shouldn't be talking, because you are just a rude teenager with nothing better to do other than bashing a company run by people that are and will always be more successful than a troll like you.
Choice is good, however am not bothered with the default browser thing. I downloaded chrome and i like it. But i like safari too, works great for me so i don't give a damn about it being defaul borwser. As long as am satisfied with it.
This This and This again. I won't be getting another Apple device until some of this stuff starts changing.