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I went to an Apple store, told them, I am connecting a USB 3.1 drive and need a Type-C cable. I mentioned to the sales guy that I was fed up with bad cables that didn't work, and that I am here to buy a cable that I know will work. They proceeded to sell me a $30 white apple branded cable. When I brought it home and hooked it up, it transferred at USB 2.0 speeds. I looked at the connector and found that they didn't even have all the pins for USB SS. Apple is just as shady and make non-compliant, cheap cables too.
Sure. Apple is going to open themselves up to a class action lawsuit by selling non compliant cheap cables. Did you take your non compliant cheap cable back to Apple and get your money refunded?
 
Not specifically an Apple product, but just to give a real-world example of where this kind of thing matters:

At work I was cutting open a standard 3-prong computer AC power cable (the thick black ones with the D connector on the other end) to put a plug on something hardwired. When I stripped back the wires, it was immediately obvious something was wrong with it.

After finding a proper cable for the job, we investigated a bit. Turns out that this cable (and a couple others that had come from the same batch of sketchy Chinese products), which was stamped UL listed and rated for 10A--so should have been at least 16ga stranded copper inside--was not only made from copper-plated steel wire (it was magnetic!), but was probably 22ga.

These cables had shipped with products that had extremely low current draw, so they were going to (barely) work with the item they were shipped with. But had you thrown one in a box with 50 other similar cables--like we did!--and then plugged it into something the label indicated it was usable with, it would either have not functioned due to low voltage or overheated, melted, and set your house on fire.

That was the moment I realized on a visceral level that counterfeit products weren't just a "well, it probably works the same" issue, but something that could have very serious safety impacts.

Because "not tested" means who knows what's actually inside.
Was the jacket extra thick or something? Otherwise, difference beteen 16 and 22 gauge would be pretty visible. Just curious how far the charade went.
 
"Sought the removal of" and "removed" are two different things.
 
Apple's looking out for their bottom line. That consumers benefit from this is a side benefit.
That is not entirely true. Remember a few years back when Apple let people trade in their fake chargers for a genuine one, at cost? The company was more concerned about keeping people alive than making money on those replacement chargers.
 
They brought this "scourge" of flooded fake Chinapple chargers on themselves by not including one of their own with a new $1250 iPhone

Step 1: Stop including chargers with iPhones to "save the environment"
Step 2: Count the number of houses burned down ftom faulty counterfeit Apple chargers.
 
Apple's looking out for their bottom line. That consumers benefit from this is a side benefit.

Exactly, it's so tiresome watching people on this forum default to assigning some noble motivation behind Apple's decisions when it's so clearly all about their business and not about the customer. When will people understand that what's best for the customer and what's best for a business rarely align. If a company does something that benefits you, the customer, understand that the other side of the coin is something that benefits them even more -- and they only care about their side of the coin. I suppose some people really buy into the "market forces" myth 😂
 
That is not entirely true. Remember a few years back when Apple let people trade in their fake chargers for a genuine one, at cost? The company was more concerned about keeping people alive than making money on those replacement chargers.

😂😂😂 yeah, like when car companies recall parts on their vehicles, they just really care about the safety of their customers LOL it has absolutely nothing to do with lawyers shouting in their ear about about lawsuits
 
😂😂😂 yeah, like when car companies recall parts on their vehicles, they just really care about the safety of their customers LOL it has absolutely nothing to do with lawyers shouting in their ear about about lawsuits
You might want to engage a bit of logic. Offering genuine Apple chargers as replacements for fake ones supplied by scammers has no comparison with car manufacturers recalling faulty products.
 
Only over 1 million? Part of my job is dealing with this sort of thing and I can tell you there is a lot more than that out there.
 
Your prose is beyond absurd "They're identical to the real thing in every way, but don't have the same safety standards." Read your words. If they actually were identical, the safety standards are, by inference, identical.
 
You might want to engage a bit of logic. Offering genuine Apple chargers as replacements for fake ones supplied by scammers has no comparison with car manufacturers recalling faulty products.

They are motivated by the exact same thing: covering their own backside. Are you saying Apple offered genuine chargers out of the kindness of their own heart? The statement "The company was more concerned about keeping people alive" is one of the funniest things I've read on this site in years.
 
Given the durability of the chargers that come with iPhones, I'd have to assert that even the Apple supply chain is inundated with counterfeit chargers 🤣
 
Not specifically an Apple product, but just to give a real-world example of where this kind of thing matters:

At work I was cutting open a standard 3-prong computer AC power cable (the thick black ones with the D connector on the other end) to put a plug on something hardwired. When I stripped back the wires, it was immediately obvious something was wrong with it.

After finding a proper cable for the job, we investigated a bit. Turns out that this cable (and a couple others that had come from the same batch of sketchy Chinese products), which was stamped UL listed and rated for 10A--so should have been at least 16ga stranded copper inside--was not only made from copper-plated steel wire (it was magnetic!), but was probably 22ga.

These cables had shipped with products that had extremely low current draw, so they were going to (barely) work with the item they were shipped with. But had you thrown one in a box with 50 other similar cables--like we did!--and then plugged it into something the label indicated it was usable with, it would either have not functioned due to low voltage or overheated, melted, and set your house on fire.

That was the moment I realized on a visceral level that counterfeit products weren't just a "well, it probably works the same" issue, but something that could have very serious safety impacts.

Because "not tested" means who knows what's actually inside.

I ran into a bunch of computer power supplies with really thin wires going to all of the connectors in a PC. The wires were so thin, I was shocked. They were made by a third (fourth?) tier vendor, who contacted us so try to get us to sell their crap. Yeah, nope. Hard no... If the wires are that crappy, I can only imagine the traces on the boards and the missing gaps, caps, grounds, and fuses. In shady computer parts, you often get less than what you pay for.
 
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Counterfeit products and software is a huge issue in some areas. I was a sub for local reseller that was selling counterfeit Microsoft products. Windows, Office, even Microsoft mice. I finally got sick of it, and confronted him, and told all of his customers. One was a credit union, and he was happy buying stuff for the credit union! I was astounded.

A few weeks later, someone called us looking for Office, and were quoting his prices for that software. They accused me of trying to trick them, and rip them off. That guy was selling full Office Professional for less than our cost for a copy of Word.

But, yeah, there were counterfeit HP products, Cisco, 3Com, NetGear, and on and on. Counterfeiters will copy damn near everything that they think they can make a profit off of. I've run into counterfeit MacBook Pro batteries, back when they were removable. I also ran into a couple of fake iPhone chargers that my mom got from a local convenience store. They looked really close to the real ones. Like amazingly close...
 
I wonder if Apple will examine the chargers that OWC sells as “original, bulk packaged”
 
One thing I never cheap out on is chargers and charging cables. I use only genuine Apple chargers from the Apple Store or Best Buy. I’m sure there are other safe and well engineered options as well like Anker for example. I always tell people to stay away from a $30 MagSafe charger for your Mac or a $10 iPhone charger.

A genuine Apple USB-C charger is only $19 anyway.
Exactly and trying to save a buck or two on a seemingly “it’s the same” product could result in being flattened financially because of a fire accident or in the worst of all cases, fatal ones...
We don’t really see it most of the time, but sometimes that charger costing $5 more than elsewhere it’s not always only the brand, it can be extra tolerances, extra QA (albeit, yes, some things are hideous at Apple currently especially software side), etc

Someone that makes a < $5 MagSafe charger likely had to cut some corners somewhere?
 
Maybe this crap would cost $30 if it wasn’t crap.

You get what you pay for.
Nintendo made a quality AC adapter for the 3DS. They charged $9.99 for it retail. An AC adapter/cable combo doesn’t need to cost $99 for it to be quality.

god. The amount of elitism on this forum is infuriating.
 
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I went to an Apple store, told them, I am connecting a USB 3.1 drive and need a Type-C cable. I mentioned to the sales guy that I was fed up with bad cables that didn't work, and that I am here to buy a cable that I know will work. They proceeded to sell me a $30 white apple branded cable. When I brought it home and hooked it up, it transferred at USB 2.0 speeds. I looked at the connector and found that they didn't even have all the pins for USB SS. Apple is just as shady and make non-compliant, cheap cables too.
The MagSafe power bricks and the supplied iPhone USB cables and earbuds were the worst. I mean the genuine Apple stuff. The outer insulation either comes off or the inner shielding breaks and your charging cable lights up in green. 🤷‍♂️

Glad there’s aftermarket cables and the cables are not attached to the chargers anymore. I do still buy the earbuds because the sound and microphone are unmatched for the price. They last a couple months up to a year.
 
I wouldn’t buy anything from Facebook or Instagram. Too many scams on there.

Agreed. This finding/report seems like Amazon with the whole USB-C cables issue all over again unbeknownist to anyone till too late.

There a few, legitimate business on IG ... Novalook dumbells in Ontario (Guelph, ON specifically) is one such business. I was VERY sceptical buying dumbbells from them and like promised delivered in 1.5 days after purchase without fuss/issue. But anything electronic nah not buying, not even supplements - I’ll go to the source or more reputable larger seller for that.
 
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Apple's looking out for their bottom line. That consumers benefit from this is a side benefit.
Honestly you could be right but Apple’s bottom line isn’t really affected by sales not coming to it from accessories - they’ve most likely factored into that for decades (from cables to adapters etc).

I think it’s more about protecting their brand name and all products and customer satisfaction associated to the brand. illiminate the fakes/junk - no more pishposh talk of such and Apple in the same sentence that creates shockwaves amongst customers.
 
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Was the jacket extra thick or something? Otherwise, difference beteen 16 and 22 gauge would be pretty visible. Just curious how far the charade went.
The insulation on the interior wires was extra-thick, so when you stripped it it was almost entirely rubber with just a few strands of weirdly stiff, springy wire inside. From the outside the thickness was completely normal. Even if you peeled back the black outer jacket, it still looked more or less like you'd expect.

It would have been bad enough if the ultra-thin wires had been pure copper, but copper-plated something else was a whole other level of blatantly intentional fraud.

I'm pretty sure we kept one for the hall of shame, I should dig it up and post a photo.
 
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