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I realise that, but it's a fair bit of hassle to remove stuff to free up space, upgrade and then put stuff back. Apple should engineer a modular installation method where an installer is broken down into components which are temporarily downloaded, installed and then removed for minimal required use of space. Or stop offering lower capacity devices, which are more likely to have that issue. The latter comes with a benefit of people buying more expensive products with higher profit margins.
People can fill up higher capacity devices just as easily, so that doesn't really resolve anything in relation to that. As for a different way to install, while something that requires less space would be nice, the iTunes alternative to accomplish more or less the same as far as space requirements does pretty much that.
 
People can fill up higher capacity devices just as easily, so that doesn't really resolve anything in relation to that. As for a different way to install, while something that requires less space would be nice, the iTunes alternative to accomplish more or less the same as far as space requirements does pretty much that.
I realise that those who have higher capacity devices may fill them up just as easily, but they are also more likely to have free space. As far as the iTunes method is concerned, I do not wish to have anything to do with it unless I can't help it. As I mentioned, the temporary storage requirement is just one reason. As it happens, I also don't like iOS 7's interface and its increased battery usage. My plans are to hold out until those devices are replaced. Since I am planning to get an iPad Air successor, I am looking forward to what Apple will reveal about iOS at WWDC.
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again: people with old iOS versions don't tend to use the App Store.

Perhaps that's mostly because they can longer download or use many of the apps. iOS7 roll out had the swiftest "iOS7 only"with no back-compatibility change out of apps in the app store. Major platforms like the New York Times and others rendered many apps "iOS7 only" almost from the day one of rollout. There must have been a lot of arm twisting from apple on this as I don't know why a commerce app like Target,NBC or Yelp would intentionally lock out so many eyeballs from their business.
 
So is mine. And damn, is it a slow device these days (one of the final iOS 6 updates brought it to its knees).

Luckily ours has gotten a second life as a nice little web-TV in one of our bathrooms — running almost exclusively the web-TV app from our cable provider.

Really? Mine is not that bad (I do a fresh restore every six months tho) and I create a lot on it using iDraw, Procreate and iWork.

I love that fat warrior and won't upgrade until iPad gets Touch ID and more RAM.
 
Nobody is forcing an Android OEM to make 15 or 20 different phones every year. That's their choice.

What that does, though, is make it very difficult for them to keep up and provide updates for all those older phones.

Question... if you're an Android OEM who's barely making any money from the sale of a particular phone... will you spend MORE time 6 months or a year later making the next version of Android available for that now "old" phone?

Answer... no

Which is precisely why most Android phones don't receive updates. And that is why those Android version charts look the way they do.

I don't think the current version of Android will ever have more than a single digit percentage at any given time.

The OEMs are too busy trying to sell new phones instead of spending time updating older existing phones to the current version of Android.

There are a billion Android devices out in the world right now. If there was an Android 4.4 Kit Kat update available for each and every one... I'm sure Kit Kat would have more than 2.5% after almost 5 months...

Obviously you understand that because of the skins and additional apps these vendors add to stock Android updating isnt a simple process.

The Nexus line of devices is the same experience as Apple and is the only fair comparison that can be made.
 
Perhaps that's mostly because they can longer download or use many of the apps. iOS7 roll out had the swiftest "iOS7 only"with no back-compatibility change out of apps in the app store. Major platforms like the New York Times and others rendered many apps "iOS7 only" almost from the day one of rollout. There must have been a lot of arm twisting from apple on this as I don't know why a commerce app like Target,NBC or Yelp would intentionally lock out so many eyeballs from their business.

I found that annoying. I'm running a jailbroken iOS 6.1.2 and feel I should be able to use current apps. iOS 7 is hideous and sluggish.
 
Perhaps that's mostly because they can longer download or use many of the apps. iOS7 roll out had the swiftest "iOS7 only"with no back-compatibility change out of apps in the app store. Major platforms like the New York Times and others rendered many apps "iOS7 only" almost from the day one of rollout. There must have been a lot of arm twisting from apple on this as I don't know why a commerce app like Target,NBC or Yelp would intentionally lock out so many eyeballs from their business.

I found that annoying. I'm running a jailbroken iOS 6.1.2 and feel I should be able to use current apps. iOS 7 is hideous and sluggish.
If they use some API or feature that's only in iOS 7 there's no good way to do that. If they don't really do it or don't really need to do it, then that's different and ultimately up to the developer.
 
Obviously you understand that because of the skins and additional apps these vendors add to stock Android updating isnt a simple process.

The Nexus line of devices is the same experience as Apple and is the only fair comparison that can be made.

No one is forcing Android OEMs to add a bunch of crap that adds to their development process.

The OEMs have to spend some time to put Android on a particular phone in the first place. But most of them don't bother spending extra time to put the next version of Android on a particular phone. That's what I was addressing.

I understand what you were saying. There are a few models of the iPhone that Apple updates regularly... and there are a few models of the Nexus and other Google Experience phones that Google updates regularly. That is a fair comparison.

But most Android phones are not Nexus phones and are not updated regularly... which is what I was saying.
 
If they didn't make it so hard to go back that number would be lower. I would be using iOS6 for sure.

Yep. Saw this same comment on Apple Insider. I have to agree. In my case, though, I didn't upgrade. Still happily using iOS 6, which looks better and feels better than iOS 7. My future iOS device purchases are on hold until (and if) Apple gets over its ridiculous obsession with flatness, lack of control differentiation, and eye-killing low contrast hard to read GUI stupidity.
 
You mean this great wonderful iOS that is forced upon people. That cannot be removed?
Keep going. I love how desperate you are. When your prediction that nobody would upgrade failed you moved on to something equally foolish. Can't wait to find out your next idea.
 
Yes, it's a sloppy headline, again, like the last time there was a story like this.

85% of devices accessing the app store running iOS 7 suggests that 85% of devices accessing the app store are running iOS 7, not that there is an 85% adoption rate of iOS 7 amongst all iOS devices, which is what the headline implies. It seems reasonable to assume that the 85% figure is higher than the actual figure, as users on older iOS versions will visit the app store less often, partly because of a lower amount of new software they can run.

For developers, the number of iOS 7 users visiting the app store is decisive. People not visiting the app store are not buying or downloading apps. So it's 85 percent of people that are of importance to app developers.
 
Keep going. I love how desperate you are. When your prediction that nobody would upgrade failed you moved on to something equally foolish. Can't wait to find out your next idea.

When did I predict no-one would upgrade to iOS7?

My only comment ever made regarding iOS7 relates to my wife's iPad upgrading and not being able to undo it. October 18th it was go looky.

You are lying about other posters on a forum and you call me desperate?

Hell here it is for you -

Spot on, my wife accidently update her iPad Mini to iOS7, she hates it. Thinks it's ***** horrible and something designed in the 70's.

Sadly I didn't realise she had done it in time and cannot downgrade back to iOS6.

It's slow, the colours are hideous. That 27% don't realise how lucky they are.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18166216#post18166216
 
When did I predict no-one would upgrade to iOS7?

My only comment ever made regarding iOS7 relates to my wife's iPad upgrading and not being able to undo it. October 18th it was go looky.

You are lying about other posters on a forum and you call me desperate?

Hell here it is for you -

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18166216#post18166216
LOL, thanks for the reply. Seems your wife is rather foolish- applying irreversable upgrades without reading any reviews or actually looking at the product. Let's hear your next argument. You going to drag your mother into this?
 
No one is forcing Android OEMs to add a bunch of crap that adds to their development process.

Crap? Doesn't add much credence to the rest of your post. Many additions done by the 3rd party vendors are quite useful i.e. T9 dialers for example.
 
Crap? Doesn't add much credence to the rest of your post. Many additions done by the 3rd party vendors are quite useful i.e. T9 dialers for example.

Sorry... poor choice of words. My bad.

But I do explain it in the rest of my post... which you so carelessly disregarded.

My point was... the OEMs have to take time to modify Android for their particular needs... adding their own launchers and software, for instance. All of that takes some time to get a particular phone out the door at launch.

Meanwhile... they are also making other models of phones. Again... adding their own software and interface layers.

Android OEMs only make money when they sell new phones... which is why they are always working on new models.

When they have to go back and update an older phone... they won't see any additional revenue from it.

So... because of all the customizations the OEMs make... their engineers have to spend even more time updating an older phone... without making any extra money.

Or... a particular phone never gets the next version of Android at all... because the OEM doesn't want to waste time on it.

Imagine if all Android phones were Google Play Editions and you could download the next version of Android directly from Google.

But no... most OEMs add their own software... which delays the software update for an older phone.

I know why OEMs want to add their own flair to their phones... but it also complicates the update process later on down the line.

You said it yourself... because of the skins and additional apps these vendors add to stock Android updating isn't a simple process.

That's exactly what I was saying.

Let's say it took the OEM a few months to get a phone ready for launch in the first place.

Do you think they're excited to go back to that older phone a year later and work on that software again?
 
Hark back to 2013...

"iOS 7 looks like it was designed by kindergarten kids; I'll never use it"

Orly? Right. Numbers don't lie. It shows that the percentage of people moaning was 15% or less, and I actually think a miniscule fraction of that 15% were the grand-standing drama queens who moaned about it online, every hour for around 3 months.
 
Hark back to 2013...

"iOS 7 looks like it was designed by kindergarten kids; I'll never use it"

Orly? Right. Numbers don't lie. It shows that the percentage of people moaning was 15% or less, and I actually think a miniscule fraction of that 15% were the grand-standing drama queens who moaned about it online, every hour for around 3 months.
Except that's not what the numbers represent.
 
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