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Apple's Automobile Project Said to Include Self-Driving Cars
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Not sure if you read Google's report or not. But the driverless cars have done over 1 million km in road testing and had only two accidents. One of which was caused by another human operator that rear ended the unit, and the second occured when the car was actually driven by a human. This kind of statistic is staggering considering human error causing traffic accidents is about 1/5000.
Might also check out this video to get a feel for how they work:
http://m.bbc.com/news/technology-31377607
Yes, sure, always, it reads people's minds and sees the future, and it if has to brake in 5 meters but the brakes have no such capacity, it does it too, because it's a computer, you know
Math can see the future. I'm sure even a calculator from the 1980's would be able to calculate something as simple as the trajectories of moving obstacles on the street.
Yes, sure, always, it reads people's minds and sees the future, and it if has to brake in 5 meters but the brakes have no such capacity, it does it too, because it's a computer, you know
Should probably check out how the technology works and do some research before you comment in disbelief. The car knows to maintaina steady speed that allows for enough brake distance depending on the complexity and density of objects/people in its surroundings. It will gurantee enough distance to stop in time.
Check out this video to get a feel for how they work:
http://m.bbc.com/news/technology-31377607
But we're not talking about an abstract world, I'm talking about the real world. Yes the computer could in a lot of situations calculate the objects trajectory once it has analized it (we're supposing it has detected it too, and that's a very big IF), but even so, there's a stopping period. That's something you can't reduce to 0 so there will always be a situation where it won't be enough even if it has analized it before and acted fastly. What would it do then?
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Haha, don't get me bored, I'm a mechanical-automotive engineer. What you're saying is that in a very business area, with complexity going enormous then speed --> 0, so it won't hit anything, but it won't move. So, it's useless in the real world. Simply because perfection does not exist, following such strict rules (which aren't even accurate because again perfection does not exist), wouldn't be able.
The correct answer was "because the v2v communication" which means another cars will be following and informing in real time (minus lag) about the child behaviour, but that does enter the privacy debate and, again, it's a moral debate, and again, that's the problem.
Keep in mind that you never safe lives, you extend them as a lot. Do you prefer to extend your life at the cost of all your privacy? I'm not, so even if you're there is a debate going on.
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This is Apple we are talking about. Add another zero on that figure! No but seriously, it would cost a lot more than £40,000.
Computers would detect obstacles much sooner than humans, also they don't get drunk.
Yes, but computers would come much closer to it than humans can.
Probably, but then it's his fault and he'll go to jail and the insurer or him will pay. What happens if it's the system the one who kills the child?
After the iCar, the next step will be for Apple to built the... iFanboys! Then Apple will have a cative audience for which to sell even their worst products, like the iWatch!
What's an iWatch? I am excited for the
Watch though.So if we admit that situation and the collision could be possible, again, hit the child or the bike? Who is programming that? Who is responsible? I think you've not considered the whole moral and legal implications of this.
OK, if there's not enough space to brake and no way to leave the street then the computer would probably still brake to reduce the amount of impact energy and hit the bike because it is more protected than the child.
From the reading I have done the biggest issue is how to handle the hand-off from the computer to the human in certain situations... black ice, snow covered roads, hazardous situations, etc. I would imagine most drivers of cars like this would just push the switch on and doze off letting the car handle itself. If something comes up what then? How do you keep drivers alert to monitor road conditions or the deer that just jumped out from the side of the road? That's all the problems Google is trying to solve and they say it is not easy.
Sure it would be nice just to cruise down an icy highway at 75 flying over the bridges, but Google has already said ice, snow and fog present huge problems. When things go wrong is the driver at fault or Google or Apple? Just things to consider.
So we do make a rule of that? Right and since now, children will always be avoided, no matter what, or at least if the other wears a helmet, even if the other is a key witness to convict a nigerian warlord who kills a million children per year and you know it. I'm not sure you can decide the future of safety that easy.
You see? That's why putting our future, and above all, decisions, in machine's hands could be more efficient but much more uncomfortable.
I'm neither the best engineer in the world nor a philosophiser, but sometimes you have to consider, again, that we're not inmortal, but we're acting if we were. We'll die, no matter what, so do not waste our lives without living being over protected, submissive and controlled just because "saving lives". Being conscious and educated is right, but being controlled and constantly driven by machines, I don't think so...
V2V communication and automated-piloted driving is probably the biggest step back about privacy I can think right now, if you think about it
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So your question is to the moral authority of the programming, which is quite valid - and I won't even attempt to make the argument.
My point is: with the automated car it is likely nobody dies, or in your thought experiment, only one of the two die. I would welcome a difficult moral dilemma for the courts to hash out, if we could significantly reduce (or eliminate) mortality.
P.S. I do like your question. I'm just woefully unable to answer it, and as robots become an ever increasing stable of society - this is a question that will have to be answered by our l courts for much more than just cars.
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That's the point. Self driving cars evolve, humans can't. (At least not very good)
That's for the judge to decide, but technically it would be the computer's fault.
If there is really no way to avoid a collision is it. (Although I'm 99% sure that such a situation can be pre calculated and therefor avoided) The computer would hit the person who is most likely to survive.
Sorry, but I'd feel much more comfortable and safer in a car where the driver acts rational, can't get drunk and doesn't get distracted...
Another huge issue is there will still likely be human operated vehicles on the road along with these self driving cars. Trying to get a computer to predict the behavior of all vehicles on the road will be a hurdle. It would probably work a lot better if human operated vehicles are just banned from the roadways at a certain point and everyone has to upgrade to new self driving vehicles. At that point you would probably see a huge drop in accidents.
Honestly, there's so much ambiguity with these rumors and this project that just putting a thoughtful analysis into a comment would be a waste of time.
A computer is just a machine, if it malfunctions, is asked to do more than it can, or get the wrong instructions, the "fault", i.e responsibility is always external to the machine itself.
In which case it's the people who program it, but again that's for the judge to decide and in the end I think that they won't give the fault to anyone.
I mean you don't just sue Apple or Microsoft if your computer crashes.
Jony in 5 years: We've rethought what a car is... starting with a unibody aluminium frame we precision engineer each part to fit within microns of each other... innovative sapphire windshield and headlights for optimal transparency and durability... anodized leather seats... seat belts with Vectran weave, similar to the material in your Apple Watch strap to provide superior protection... and now you can ask Siri, "Drive me to LAX" and she will drive you there automatically... "it just works" no need to type in addresses, just sit back and enjoy the ride... if you however want to step in and drive the car yourself you just tap on the brake or gas pedal and it seamlessly transfers control over to you... we have rethought the usage of keys, and believe that the best key is the one you have with you. Introducing Touch ID on the door handlers, trunk, and the ignition. Now all you literally have to do is open the door, sit, place your finger on the ignition button, and go!
Self-driving cars are inevitable.
They will change our society in significant ways, especially when we humans realize that cars don't need to be occupied. Here are some examples of things that will be possible in the future..
Imagine your car drives you to Vegas from L.A. @ 120MPH (self-driving car only lane). You get there in a jiffy. You live it up by gambling and boozing the entire night. 2 A.M. arrives and your car picks you up and takes you back to your Southern Californian estate while you sleep off your regret.
My mom lives in Hollywood and I live an hour away. I hop in my car and watch Netflix in my "limo" styled self driving car. I get a can of coke in my fridge equipped car. I arrive without any stress or discomfort from traffic. We eat a peaceful dinner. My car drives me home after having two glasses of wine. Life is good and my mom loves me more.
I'm hungry. I don't want to leave the house. There are no delivery places open. I know! I'll send my car to McDonalds. My food is pre-paid on my phone app. I hit a button on my phone, my car heads to McDonalds, a Mcdonald's representative walks outside to my car and puts my food in the warming box built into my 2025 Apple iCar 6s. My car comes home. I eat a piping hot Big Mac and fries. Next week I do the same thing, but this time I hit one button on my phone to re-order the Big Mac and fries. Food is at my house in 10 minutes. I die an early death from a heart attack.
Or I could send my car to the best Mexican restaurant in town and treat my family to a great, fast, hot meal. Oh, and add two Pina Coladas for an extra kick.
I'm at work. My back is killing me. I need a new chair. Staples has a office chair on sale. I don't want it shipped...I want it right now. I know! I'll send my car to Staples. Staples will put the chair in my SUV and I will start building it 15 minutes later. Hopefully my boss doesn't notice.
We are living in a world where we can land on the moon, fly 40,000 ft in the air @ 600mph (or 2,500 mph on those prototype airplanes), talk to someone that lives in China while sitting in California, walk around with a computer in our pocket the size of our hand, and yet we can't wrap our heads around the fact that our cars will be driving us soon? Really? Is this too hard to comprehend? The technology is right around the corner. In twenty years our kids won't know or want to know how to drive a car. Do your kids ride a horse to pickup some milk? I didn't think so.
Opinions are irrelevant. A technology that pushes our species forward cannot be prevented. Eventually, like all major leaps forward, new technology is embraced.
Self-driving cars are inevitable.
They will change our society in significant ways, especially when we humans realize that cars don't need to be occupied. Here are some examples of things that will be possible in the future..
Imagine your car drives you to Vegas from L.A. @ 120MPH (self-driving car only lane). You get there in a jiffy. You live it up by gambling and boozing the entire night. 2 A.M. arrives and your car picks you up and takes you back to your Southern Californian estate while you sleep off your regret.
My mom lives in Hollywood and I live an hour away. I hop in my car and watch Netflix in my "limo" styled self driving car. I get a can of coke in my fridge equipped car. I arrive without any stress or discomfort from traffic. We eat a peaceful dinner. My car drives me home after having two glasses of wine. Life is good and my mom loves me more.
I'm hungry. I don't want to leave the house. There are no delivery places open. I know! I'll send my car to McDonalds. My food is pre-paid on my phone app. I hit a button on my phone, my car heads to McDonalds, a Mcdonald's representative walks outside to my car and puts my food in the warming box built into my 2025 Apple iCar 6s. My car comes home. I eat a piping hot Big Mac and fries. Next week I do the same thing, but this time I hit one button on my phone to re-order the Big Mac and fries. Food is at my house in 10 minutes. I die an early death from a heart attack.
Or I could send my car to the best Mexican restaurant in town and treat my family to a great, fast, hot meal. Oh, and add two Pina Coladas for an extra kick.
I'm at work. My back is killing me. I need a new chair. Staples has a office chair on sale. I don't want it shipped...I want it right now. I know! I'll send my car to Staples. Staples will put the chair in my SUV and I will start building it 15 minutes later. Hopefully my boss doesn't notice.
We are living in a world where we can land on the moon, fly 40,000 ft in the air @ 600mph (or 2,500 mph on those prototype airplanes), talk to someone that lives in China while sitting in California, walk around with a computer in our pocket the size of our hand, and yet we can't wrap our heads around the fact that our cars will be driving us soon? Really? Is this too hard to comprehend? The technology is right around the corner. In twenty years our kids won't know or want to know how to drive a car. Do your kids ride a horse to pickup some milk? I didn't think so.
Opinions are irrelevant. A technology that pushes our species forward cannot be prevented. Eventually, like all major leaps forward, new technology is embraced.
Self-driving cars are inevitable.
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