Apples 'better than a computer' ad is their least liked YouTube video

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The iPad Pro 'better than a computer' ad has beaten the previously least liked video - the 'What's a computer?' iPad Pro ad ("least liked" meaning worst like to dislike ratio).
In fact it ish the only and possibly first of their YouTube videos to receive more dislikes than likes!

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Obviously this will probably be ignored by Apple but I just thought it's interesting and I think the dislikes will keep building up on the 'better than a computer' ad.


UPDATE (Feb 21):

Dislikes now at 24,000
Likes now at 11,000

All of these ads have received more views than other ads in the same period of time (probably because they are being used more), with 'better than a computer' at the top with 2.1 million views.

The others have now also surpassed the 'What's a computer?' like to dislike ratio.
 
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iPad Pro would never be a true computer in its current form, without wide range professional software support, for example, matlab, many specialized engineering software etc. . This has been stated by various users In various posts in this forum already.
Idk the future though. Maybe it would change a little bit.
 

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It's not surprising. These are increasingly stupid, lame ads. I wasn't a fan of the "Mac vs. PC" ads either, but at least those had John Hodgeman.

I love my iPad Pro, but these ads are moronic.

First of all, they don't even address any of the more complex issues when trying to make an iPad Pro a PC Replacement (I would have been more impressed had they created an ad around "Moving my files around"). Instead they chose to address inane things ("Word on an iPad???").

Second, they don't have any of the style or class of previous Apple ads. The Genius ads may have been stupid, but at least they maintained a level of class (i.e. Addressing Apple's services).

Third, it address none of what distinguishes current iPads from past iPads.

I seriously doubt Apple was "listening" to anybody in these ads.

iPad Pro would never be a true computer in its current form, without wide range professional software support, for example, matlab, many specialized engineering software etc. . This has been stated by various users In various posts in this forum already.
Idk the future though. Maybe it would change a little bit.
As has been discussed at length, that's a matter of personal opinion. There are plenty of people on both sides of the debate.

However, it would be interesting to try and address some actual people who think that the iPad would never meet their computer needs, then show them that it is possible (in some cases). Extreme iPad Makeover or something. I would love to see Sales Guy or Office Professional get his computing tasks addressed (and maybe improved upon) with an iPad Pro.
 

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I'm somewhat surprised... By far the most misleading ad is the Wifi one. Sorry, but the speed and reach of your wifi signal is largely determined by your router setup and how much speed you subscribe to to begin with. It's almost a blatant lie.

Though I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised... virtually no one actually understands how wifi works
 

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I personally used iPad as a leisure device until i got the big iPP with the pencil, due to lack of a "proper OS". Though it is now clear to me that Windows or MacOS being more versatile than iOS doesn't make iOS a leisure device only.

iOS is still an operating system, albeit only available to select Apple devices. For some people what they can do on iOS is enough for work. Most people don't create media or use AutoCAD or do programming. if iPad is not a "computer" for these people, then what is an iPad?
 

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iPad Pro would never be a true computer in its current form, without wide range professional software support, for example, matlab, many specialized engineering software etc. . This has been stated by various users In various posts in this forum already.
Idk the future though. Maybe it would change a little bit.
What is this definition of a "true computer"? I wasn't aware that there is a generally accepted definition of what that is.

Is the ability to run matlab part of that definition? If so, then only 64-bit Windows, Mac, and Linux systems fit that requirement. The ability to run "specialized engineering software" is another requirement? Interesting.
 
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What is this definition of a "true computer"? I wasn't aware that there is a generally accepted definition of what that is.

Is the ability to run matlab part of that definition? If so, then only 64-bit Windows, Mac, and Linux systems fit that requirement. The ability to run "specialized engineering software" is another requirement? Interesting.
The generally accepted definition is device like MacBook Pro, or any conventional PC laptop, or Any DIY desktop PC. Therefore, even though able to run matlab is not part of definition, a computer should do a lot more than an iPad could do, although iPad can do certain tasks well, such as creative works, drawing or simple document editing.
 
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The future of computing, the next version of the Mac, simply won't be just an iPad. They coexist for a reason. Different machines for different purposes.

I agree that they're both computers and powerful tools, but for me the iPad is pointless next to my MacBook Pro.

I'm looking forward to whatever comes next...
 
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The generally accepted definition is device like MacBook Pro, or any conventional PC laptop, or Any DIY desktop PC. Therefore, even though able to run matlab is not part of definition, a computer should do a lot more than an iPad could do, although iPad can do certain tasks well, such as creative works, drawing or simple document editing.
Really?
I thought the generally accepted definition of a computer would be more like "an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program."

But, of course the iPad would fit those terms, so that can't be it...
 

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The future of computing, the next version of the Mac, simply won't be just an iPad. They coexist for a reason. Different machines for different purposes.

I agree that they're both computers and powerful tools, but for me the iPad is pointless next to my MacBook Pro.

I'm looking forward to whatever comes next...
I think you're being a bit excessively optimistic that there will be one.
 

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I think you're being a bit excessively optimistic that there will be one.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "next version of the Mac". Will there be a new version of the OS at WWDC this year? Of course. Will Apple release new Mac hardware this year? Most definately. Will there be a true "Next Generation" of the Mac (like the transition from OS 9 to OS X, or PowerPC to Intel)? That one might be a bit harder to answer.
 

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Really?
I thought the generally accepted definition of a computer would be more like "an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program."

But, of course the iPad would fit those terms, so that can't be it...
Uh, or I could say your provided definition of "computer" is not general public knows.

Also, at least for now, when someone wants to buy an iPad, they call it an iPad, not a PC or computer.
 
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With the way iPads are selling, Tim Cook will be forced to bring the attention back to Macs. No matter how bad he wants the iPad to be the "future of computing", it's just not a device that can fit all needs into one device.
It looks like they'll continue to try this year. And I think it's possible that the iPad could return to growth... for 1 quarter at least. It has always been Apples vision that the iPad will be the primary computing device for most people, but for the people that's true for, it's been true for 5 years or more. Despite the advancements, little has changed for people who want to buy an iPad as their main computing device as it is often for web browsing, communication, content consumption, etc. The iPad advancements of 2015 widened that market but not by much.
Now they are pushing it to people who use a computer for more than that, and it's not working. I think it could happen in the future, but they're pushing it too soon. I see many people falling into the trap of thinking it can replace their PC and then ending up selling it to buy a laptop.
I think part of the reason why Tim Cook is so passionate about iPads is because it has more potential than Macs. But, realistically, the potential is does have is to become a touchscreen Mac.
 

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On the go computing and finish your products at home on an iMac or MacBook via handoff and iCloud. That is basically the gist of the iPad Pro. At least for me, and I am sure I am not the only one. Works quite well. I have been able to complete pretty much every on the go task I have needed to complete. Those I haven't, I finished on my MBP back at home via iCloud Drive.
 

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With the way iPads are selling, Tim Cook will be forced to bring the attention back to Macs. No matter how bad he wants the iPad to be the "future of computing", it's just not a device that can fit all needs into one device.
You mean how iPads are still outselling Macs?

It looks like they'll continue to try this year. And I think it's possible that the iPad could return to growth... for 1 quarter at least. It has always been Apples vision that the iPad will be the primary computing device for most people, but for the people that's true for, it's been true for 5 years or more. Despite the advancements, little has changed for people who want to buy an iPad as their main computing device as it is often for web browsing, communication, content consumption, etc. The iPad advancements of 2015 widened that market but not by much.
Now they are pushing it to people who use a computer for more than that, and it's not working. I think it could happen in the future, but they're pushing it too soon. I see many people falling into the trap of thinking it can replace their PC and then ending up selling it to buy a laptop.
I think part of the reason why Tim Cook is so passionate about iPads is because it has more potential than Macs. But, realistically, the potential is does have is to become a touchscreen Mac.
That's Apple's MO. Apple likes to sell products that have future potential rather than are currently practical. The Original MacBook Air, the current MacBook (USB-C), The iPhone 7 - devices which Apple shows where it thinks the future is headed even if the device itself is not necessarily practical at the moment. As an Apple consumer we need to understand that and figure out for ourselves if we're up for the ride, or if we want to jump off for safer devices.
 
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And I always get the impression that the least reliable information is the comments on YouTube. They are usually a good reminder that any social activity on the internet needs to be moderated because otherwise it's just a Troll fest. Like here when people try to argue that iPads aren't computers.
 
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It looks like they'll continue to try this year. And I think it's possible that the iPad could return to growth... for 1 quarter at least. It has always been Apples vision that the iPad will be the primary computing device for most people, but for the people that's true for, it's been true for 5 years or more. Despite the advancements, little has changed for people who want to buy an iPad as their main computing device as it is often for web browsing, communication, content consumption, etc. The iPad advancements of 2015 widened that market but not by much.
Now they are pushing it to people who use a computer for more than that, and it's not working. I think it could happen in the future, but they're pushing it too soon. I see many people falling into the trap of thinking it can replace their PC and then ending up selling it to buy a laptop.
I think part of the reason why Tim Cook is so passionate about iPads is because it has more potential than Macs. But, realistically, the potential is does have is to become a touchscreen Mac.
I think the Apple vision of the IPads as a PC replacement is distorted. It has only been more than a year since Tim Cook proclaimed that the iPad is the future of computing, and not 7 years ago or since iPad's existence. When Steve Jobs presented the iPad, he did not say this that it will be the future of computers, but you could see where they were going when Steve brought up the cars vs trucks analogy. Clearly the iPad had to evolve before coming to a point where we are now.

The iPad Pro was the first iPad that has the power of current laptops, had a 4gb ram and a desktop class GPU. It was also the first iPad that has split screen multi tasking and PIP. All these things had to happen before they pushed this marketing campaign.

So no, Apple will not give up on the iPad because we are just in the first pitch of the first inning for this new way of computing. If you see the starting point of the iPad as a PC replacement from the last year, you can see that the progress is tremendous.
 

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I think the Apple vision of the IPads as a PC replacement is distorted. It has only been more than a year since Tim Cook proclaimed that the iPad is the future of computing, and not 7 years ago or since iPad's existence. When Steve Jobs presented the iPad, he did not say this that it will be the future of computers, but you could see where they were going when Steve brought up the cars vs trucks analogy. Clearly the iPad had to evolve before coming to a point where we are now.

The iPad Pro was the first iPad that has the power of current laptops, had a 4gb ram and a desktop class GPU. It was also the first iPad that has split screen multi tasking and PIP. All these things had to happen before they pushed this marketing campaign.

So no, Apple will not give up on the iPad because we are just in the first pitch of the first inning for this new way of computing. If you see the starting point of the iPad as a PC replacement from the last year, you can see that the progress is tremendous.
I agree but its still not ready for the vast majority of the people they're targeting. However, for the people who could always use an iPad as a PC replacement, the multitasking features would have been an added bonus rather than the key feature.
The thing is that what iPads need to become PC replacements for the people they're targeting is Mac features (trackpad support, windowed apps, file system, etc.), essentially turning it into a touch screen Mac tablet with an ARM processor. I'm starting to agree that a merge of macOS and iOS would be benificial now.
 
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What is this definition of a "true computer"? I wasn't aware that there is a generally accepted definition of what that is.

Is the ability to run matlab part of that definition? If so, then only 64-bit Windows, Mac, and Linux systems fit that requirement. The ability to run "specialized engineering software" is another requirement? Interesting.
Xcode is OSX-only, and iTunes is computer-only. Two examples of why iPad Pros aren't exactly standalone machines yet. Until they get to that point, they're not "true" computers.
 
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Xcode is OSX-only, and iTunes is computer-only. Two examples of why iPad Pros aren't exactly standalone machines yet. Until they get to that point, they're not "true" computers.
Ok, so now we have to add "Xcode" and "iTunes" to the list of apps required in order from something to be considered a "true computer". And since XCode only runs on OSX/macOS that means that all Windows machines are not "true computers". :rolleyes:
 

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Ok, so now we have to add "Xcode" and "iTunes" to the list of apps required in order from something to be considered a "true computer". And since XCode only runs on OSX/macOS that means that all Windows machines are not "true computers". :rolleyes:
I mean, if you want to completely ignore my point about standalone-ness, that's up to you. Personally I think it's ironic how an "iPad Pro" can't even support itself with app-development if you're into that, or that you can't use an iPad Pro as a means of backing up your other devices like your iPhone, or that you can't use anything beyond what you're given from the stock App Store or music store apps Apple gives you.

On the other hand, you have desktops and laptops that can handle all that and more, even if you choose not to use them for that purpose. The iPad doesn't have that option yet, so it doesn't compare to a desktop or laptop. Yes, you can argue that an iPad meets the needs of most people, but that's a narrow scope that ignores the fact that it can't satisfy everyone.

And for the record, I do think Xcode should be Windows/Linux supported.
 
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