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Congratulations on your math and science free education.

I actually did pretty well in maths and science - A in both! (I only got a B in English language, which is surprising considering I spoke that for 11 years before I started learning French, in which I also got a B...)

Anyway, who says you need a pen to write equations? MathMagic Lite for iOS by InfoLogic
https://appsto.re/gb/Yei6T.i

Graphs and charts are much better drawn by a computer than my wobbly pen.

Somebody made a point about marking up text, suggesting that a pen is better than a keyboard, and that's certainly true - but for those kind of simple marks, a finger is just as good.
 
Thank goodness some people friggin get this. This is not only a stylus, but a marker, a pen, a pencil, a tool for allowing someone to write on nearly any NON-TECHNICAL/ELECTRIFIED surface and store it to an iDevice.

Hence, the limited imaginations of those who only see a stylus.

How this better than photographing or scanning your notes. Its also useless for white boards because you can't see where other users have written/drawn. This "innovation" belongs in 2010. In 2013 we have the surface 3 other digitizing tablets.
 
Anybody else think the iPad Pro should also behave like a digitizer for the Mac via Bluetooth? I don't see why it can't do this.
 
How this better than photographing or scanning your notes. Its also useless for white boards because you can't see where other users have written/drawn. This "innovation" belongs in 2010. In 2013 we have the surface 3 other digitizing tablets.

And I've never had a white boarding experience that didn't involve some erasing. Think about erasing with this. I agree about the photographing/scanning.

I perceive this patent is about fattening the patent portfolio more so than some next big (or little) thing coming from Apple.
 
And I've never had a white boarding experience that didn't involve some erasing. Think about erasing with this. I agree about the photographing/scanning.

I perceive this patent is about fattening the patent portfolio more so than some next big (or little) thing coming from Apple.

White board is a nice add-on but stylus for taking notes, drawing, equations, annotations is a necessity in 2015...

Samsung and M$ have it so I guess there is a market for it. So why not for :apple: ?

If not, Samsung and M$ will take the lead in that market segment and Apple will lag behind or will not occupy that niche. Which for me doesn't make any sense since they created the tablet craze in 2010...
 
Apple stylus goes way back to the Newton.

In the era before The Return of Steve.

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Hmm. Would creative professionals use fingers in their line of work using 3d and digital art apps? I wouldn't think so. However, if it's experimental in nature with fingers, that's a different story.

Stylus is about precision.


Using your fingers is good when smudging. The only time I use my fingers is when I don't have a stylus on hand or I'm doing fills or smudges. For 3D, the stylus replaces the mouse. You really CAN'T do it without one unless you have symmetry/gridlock tools.

Yes, it's about precision, and even with these "dumb" styluses, you can do a lot better than a finger.

I don't type up notes. I keep them in handwritten form because it's easier to organize them and there then in a word processor. When I tried writing notes on a laptop over 10 years ago now, I knew then that doing that with a keyboard wasn't ever going to be a good fit.
 
One step closer to an galaxy note..... Or is apple just ****blocking by holding patents with no intent of ever using them?
 
Using your fingers is good when smudging. The only time I use my fingers is when I don't have a stylus on hand or I'm doing fills or smudges. For 3D, the stylus replaces the mouse. You really CAN'T do it without one unless you have symmetry/gridlock tools.

Yes, it's about precision, and even with these "dumb" styluses, you can do a lot better than a finger.

I don't type up notes. I keep them in handwritten form because it's easier to organize them and there then in a word processor. When I tried writing notes on a laptop over 10 years ago now, I knew then that doing that with a keyboard wasn't ever going to be a good fit.


I use the smudge tool with the "dumb" stylus on sketchbook pro. Although a finger could do the trick for that technique. On the higher end application desktop wise, then the Wacom would work best. The cheapest one was the Wacom Bamboo which is one of the nicer dumb stylus I had and may try Adonit Jot as an experiment.

On 3d use, I agree .you need a 3d mouse like what 3dConnexion makes. It's expensive though for high end production work. Another option I'm looking into is the Touch + seen here:

http://www.ractiv.com/

That would save me a lot of RSI issues but keep the keyboard and Wacom digitizer intact.

Otherwise Apples new stylus would be an interesting input option for precision use.
 
And I've never had a white boarding experience that didn't involve some erasing. Think about erasing with this. I agree about the photographing/scanning.

I perceive this patent is about fattening the patent portfolio more so than some next big (or little) thing coming from Apple.

Yeah, I've been pondering how erasing would work.

I guess you could have a whiteboard eraser with the same electronics built into it? The computer receives signals from the eraser as well as the marker and updates the electronic version of the drawing accordingly?

Big downside is that we've replaced a cheap 50 cent marker and eraser combo with a couple of (I'm guessing) $100 devices. I can't see them laying around in shared conference rooms for long. And what about the batteries? You're going to need a handy supply of them in the office too.

I agree in the patent portfolio thing. This seems more like claiming something to prevent others from using it (or being able to charge them license fees if they do)
 
Let's start producing a stylus today to ship by the end of the month. Don't worry about design or usability!

-Samsung Engineering Team, after reading the RSS feed from USPTO on new Apple patents

You need to step outside the Apple store sometimes , you might be amazed what is currently available ;)
 
How this better than photographing or scanning your notes. Its also useless for white boards because you can't see where other users have written/drawn. This "innovation" belongs in 2010. In 2013 we have the surface 3 other digitizing tablets.

In other news, a photo is a static representation of the state at which you took it vs a "living" document which can illustrate how you got from point A to point B.

IE - if yo view a livescribe pencast - you see the drawing/writing in real time coupled with (if you choose) an audio recording. You can stop, start, pause, skip to another part of the pencast.

A photo can't do that. At best you can attach a full recording to an image/PDF and that's all you have.

This process would (again) allow a user to create a living document.
 
White board is a nice add-on but stylus for taking notes, drawing, equations, annotations is a necessity in 2015...

Samsung and M$ have it so I guess there is a market for it. So why not for :apple: ?

Certainly apple has the engineering ability to duplicate a wacom or ntrig pen system. The question i guess is whether they can differentiate it sufficiently not to infringe on patents. The pro ipad without a pen would be a very disappointing offering.

I am just thankful this tech has moved into this price level and form factors like the surface and core duo 13. The ipad was a great product and now the tablet revolution continues.

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In other news, a photo is a static representation of the state at which you took it vs a "living" document which can illustrate how you got from point A to point B.

IE - if yo view a livescribe pencast - you see the drawing/writing in real time coupled with (if you choose) an audio recording. You can stop, start, pause, skip to another part of the pencast.

In a white board scenario--you are not going to be able to see what others are writing while looking at your drawing surface--you would have to navigate looking back and forth with some apple device.

You can start, stop pause, etc--but you cannot erase or cut and paste.

I dont know if there is a tech with a shared dynamic white board space--i know wacom is developing this
 
How the heck are they getting these patents when this tech has been around for YEARS?

Isnt this patent differentiated from livescribe by not requiring proprietary notebooks? But I guess a fair question is how does this "improvement" does not violate some livescribe patented tech?
 
Trust me. I know what is currently available and sadly, I'm not amazed by it. BTW, I hardly ever shop in the Apple store. :cool:

I get samsung copies apple, though think about it in this case......see galaxy note for example :cool:
 
Apple stylus goes way back to the Newton.

In the era before The Return of Steve.

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When I was reading the article, I did think of the Newton. I love the 120 I have that someone here gave me not too long ago. The crazy thing is that they're starting to develop for these things again now, sadly the later models are as expensive as current tablets.
 
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Before getting all huffy about how this is "obvious", why don't you tell us the products I can buy TODAY that offer this functionality...

People have been talking about smartpens for years and there are products with bits of this functionality (Livescribe --- but requires special paper, Penveu --- but the device is huge and does not really match what Apple is suggesting here, especially the tablet use).

If Apple patents an idea that no-one else is actually offering as a product for sale, then WTF is your complaint?

Microsoft Surface, Galaxy Devices, just about any "Smart Pen" on the market does pretty much all of this. Take the Apple Blinders off. They just managed to somehow take an really old technology and throw some new buzz words around it to try and claim it's "Their" idea and it's going to lead to confusion and lawsuits. Just like the damn square buttons.
 
That's exactly what they mean. Not only paper, but brainstorming on a whiteboard, or Smartboard or even in the air. The naysayers so far haven't really read the article. The ability to change tips for various purposes, the ability to share your written material in real time with numerous iPads at the same meeting on any surface, etc. Lots of possibilities.

College Lectures - all of the professors whiteboard notes saved onto every iPad in the room instantly. Kinda sounds like a killer app.
 
Thank goodness some people friggin get this. This is not only a stylus, but a marker, a pen, a pencil, a tool for allowing someone to write on nearly any NON-TECHNICAL/ELECTRIFIED surface and store it to an iDevice.

Hence, the limited imaginations of those who only see a stylus.

It's even more than that. It's a digital laser pointer, a mouse, a trackpad, a joystick, a remote control: it is the universal 3D input device. Think of the lovechild of a livescribe and a wii control. With Jony Ive styling.
 
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