At first, like all of the other invasive bullsh!t, it's opt-in. Then when people say **** off and refuse to go along with it, it becomes mandatory.
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Apple's Contact Tracing System Will Require Verification When Users Report Testing Positive for COVID-19
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At first, like all of the other invasive bullsh!t, it's opt-in. Then when people say **** off and refuse to go along with it, it becomes mandatory.
Because doctors, life scientists, pharmaceutical executives, professors, and government lab employees are low-paid occupations and clearly they're in it for charity.
Hint: the $42 billion basic science research budget for the US NIH is bigger than all the rest, including the military and NASA, put together.
Its purpose is to inform people of possible exposure and potentially prevent further transmission via self-quarantine. So for instance, it can limit the spread to the 5 people patient A is exposed to rather than spreading it to 25 patient C's the 5 patient B's can potentially spread it to. The goal isn't total prevention, but to limit the impact on the healthcare system.
If it's going to be a stand alone app that's fine because people don't have to download it if they choose not to but if it's part of an iOS update and it's on the phone regardless if you want it or not only left with the choice of opting in or out I don't like the idea..
Interesting, do you have links to that info? Thank.
For Google's version, they'll probably target users with ads for sanitary/healthcare products and insurances.
I foresee a day when instead of just tracking you, they will also track that you removed your device. "Home office, user 520590 has been detected to have removed his tracking device. Sending enforcer 204365 to intercept the client to resume secure tracking. Engage!" Scary world we are heading into.
Actually, I see the opposite. This pandemic has revealed an huge number of alarmist and reactionary people who run around reacting with no idea why they do what they do and no interest in actual science. The overreaction to Covid-19 is quite shocking. The "measures" being put in place (and applauded by the same folks who are afraid of water bottles getting through airport security) are nonsensical and absurd. This app is a perfect example. Sending alerts to everyone who came close to a positive individual will only serve to alarm and scare people who probably have a less than 1% chance of having contracted the virus from the encounter. Unless you kissed the person or they sneezed in your eyeball, you're fine. Evolution has equipped humans to survive many health threats - no mask, plexiglass, or other hardware required for the average, healthy person.
No one in their right mind would volunteer for this and that's why they will make it so you have no choice. They are already doing this is China.
You want to take out a life insurance policy? Boom, show us your "green status".
You want to enter the movie theatre? Boom show us your "green status".
You want to fly internationally? Boom, show us your "green status".
This is how it all starts and has already begun in a few countries like China. You don't think the USA is any different do you? If so, you deserve to have your privacy violated.
You want to take out a life insurance policy? Boom, show us your "green status".
You want to enter the movie theatre? Boom show us your "green status".
You want to fly internationally? Boom, show us your "green status".
This is how it all starts and has already begun in a few countries like China. You don't think the USA is any different do you? If so, you deserve to have your privacy violated.
Incidentally, I have a former collaborator who won a cool $5 mil from NIH years ago and promptly bought himself a yacht. Meanwhile other researcher sit in the back of room bitter about not winning anything for another round. The academic research industry is a horrible dog eat dog world with extremes between winners and losers
And is still gonna turn itself on, just like WLAN
Why’s are you fighting the control center thing? The toggles in control center disable connections to new devices until the next day. They make this very clear, when you toggle them the text shows “disabling WiFi until tomorrow”.
If you don’t want to automatically join a WiFi network, disable auto-join in settings.
The vast majority of people who have a WiFi network saved do want their phone to connect to it. They may toggle WiFi off if they’re outside with weak WiFi signal, but they’ll forget to turn it back on. The auto-reconnect the next day allows them to save data and reduces load on cell towers for everyone.
Allowing the Bluetooth and WiFi chipsets to work in the background allows devices to locate themselves much quicker, and allows features like AirDrop to work.
Why are there people like you out there that insist on kicking and screaming about this? These features are beneficial for the vast majority of people. They’re clearly labeled. There are simple workarounds if you don’t like these features. Why are you still nagging on this?
You’re seriously suggesting people who are self-isolating and socially distancing yet aren’t in favour of creepy tracking are selfish and deserve to ultimately get infected because of ... “karma“? Wow!
What about those people having concern for mass surveillance and tracking that affect everybody? Is it not selfish of those who enable this ongoing march towards the Big Brother society by ignoring or downplaying those concerns? It’s not like there isn’t a reason or precedent for having those concerns.
If you’re complying with social distancing and social isolation, this app can’t (or shouldn’t) find ANY contacts that you don’t know intimately. It will only work to help those who’ve been flaunting advice, and will require both parties to have opted in. I suspect the intersection of that Venn diagram to be minimal. It might even give some people a false sense of security that they can relax restrictions if they think they’ll be notified if one of their contacts tests positive.
But never mind that existing measures are working and are the primary reason for declining infection rates in many countries when there’s the perfect excuse for an “end game” level of Big Brother technology that can be developed under the guise of helping a public health crisis.
This will be developed with the view of many future or compulsory uses in mind. This current opt-in use will be the trial and testing phase.
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Well this absolutely blew up. Almost thirty notifications! I'm glad this is a hot topic on the board. Count 'em: 15 likes, 7 disagree, and 1 angry!
Yep, I absolutely missed that—right in the middle!—so kudos to all for keeping me informed. Seriously, sorry, I would respond the same.
This really surprised me:
A lot of people agree with this post and see my response as selfish. I'd wager this is a little short-sighted. This is opt-in now, and Apple has a decent track record. What actually helps? I try to have healthy skepticism. My feeling—and based on the response in this thread—is many people should be concerned for the loss of existing rights and freedoms during this unprecedented situation. I am not a US citizen; I don't understand the "right" of private ownership of over 100 tigers, but I do empathize with the desire for personal liberty. Personal liberty allows for the democratic process. While it feels compulsory to own a cell phone these days, I own one because of how it improves my life and helps me connect, on my terms. I do not want to be monitored. I do not want my life quantified by shadow profiles. After the (IMO) fiasco that has been the Emergency Alert system I am not keen on taking the word of governments on what will improve our lives.
Other responses that show this concern:
And below is what I am and have been doing: self-isolating and taking every possible precaution. I do this willingly and it seems damn effective. It might be that this is the action we should all take, instead stepping towards futures where your Buy n' Large social credit score gives you the table-steaks. What if the Mac boot chime in WALL-E wasn't just a cute addition but instead a foretelling of the future?
This is a pretty innovative solution, and considering I live in a dense, major city that was (and still is) hard hit by the virus, I will opt in.
Another option is to quarantine yourself until the whole country's declared safe
Thanks everyone.
The idea is already failed from the moment Apple made the announcement.
What a bunch of ********. What does privacy concerns have to do with selfishness? Basically what you are saying is that everybody should give up their privacy, or else they will be considered selfish. Get educated.
Christophe Fraser calculated mathematical models at the University of Oxford. The result in a simplified form: If 60% participate in tracing and 60% adhere to the recommendations, it does something - even considerably.
Another good article on the topic:
www.theguardian.com
Growth in surveillance may be hard to scale back after pandemic, experts say
Coronavirus crisis has led to billions of people around the world facing enhanced monitoring
Jesus man, they included diagrams with an example situation just to explain the answer to those that are better with pictures than reading....
If you can’t understand those words, nor what the images are depicting- how do you expect to fathom an answer from a forum member??
Apple today in a press briefing indicated that its upcoming COVID-19 contact tracing system with Google will have a verification flow, meaning that users will be required to submit proof in order to report that they have tested positive for the disease.
As an example, Apple said that a person who tests positive for COVID-19 could receive a QR code with their test results and then scan that QR code within the contact tracing system for confirmation purposes, but the exact implementation remains to be seen. Apple said verification will be handled by an external entity and could vary by region.
Verification will be a very important step in Apple's and Google's contact tracing system, preventing users from falsely reporting that they have tested positive for COVID-19 and inflicting unnecessary worry on others.
Apple also ensured that the contact tracing system will not be enforced by governments and will instead function on an opt-in basis.
Apple and Google revealed plans for their contact tracing system earlier this week. The joint effort will use Bluetooth to alert users when they have potentially come in close contact with someone who later tests positive for COVID-19, while respecting user privacy.
Read our coverage of the announcement for more details.
Article Link: Apple's Contact Tracing System Will Require Verification When Users Report Testing Positive for COVID-19
