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I love the potential here for contract tracing, the amount of good it could do is immense. But damn if I'm not hesitant to want to see it implemented. There needs to be MASSIVE restrictions on it, and even then, do I think for a moment that police/governments wouldn't be chomping at the bit to make use of the technology for their own ends? Nope! And that's what scares me.
 
When this technology is going to be released, (hopefully) covid isn't going to be an issue anymore. So I can only wonder, what might the real reason for building this stuff be.
 
It still isn't clear to me...At what point is the opt-in? When someone installs the app? Are our phones otherwise always doing this BTLE communication in the background and building this database of other devices they run into? If that's the case that's enough reason for me to disable BT permanently.
 
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Am I wrong to not want to get unnecessarily freaked-out because I walked past someone on the street who tested positive? Furthermore, to not know exactly how I was exposed?
 
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Contact tracing could also work for theft. For example, to trace where a person's debit card was hacked by a reader.
 
Why’s are you fighting the control center thing? The toggles in control center disable connections to new devices until the next day. They make this very clear, when you toggle them the text shows “disabling WiFi until tomorrow”.

If you don’t want to automatically join a WiFi network, disable auto-join in settings.

The vast majority of people who have a WiFi network saved do want their phone to connect to it. They may toggle WiFi off if they’re outside with weak WiFi signal, but they’ll forget to turn it back on. The auto-reconnect the next day allows them to save data and reduces load on cell towers for everyone.

Allowing the Bluetooth and WiFi chipsets to work in the background allows devices to locate themselves much quicker, and allows features like AirDrop to work.

Why are there people like you out there that insist on kicking and screaming about this? These features are beneficial for the vast majority of people. They’re clearly labeled. There are simple workarounds if you don’t like these features. Why are you still nagging on this?

You could turn on and off bluetooth and WIFI via control center until a few updates ago.
Worked perfectly fine. Can you name me one good reason why current function of these buttons, switching to some mysterious intermediate mode, where WIFI and BT is not turned off but only temporarily disconnects, is any better?
 
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You could turn on and off bluetooth and WIFI via control center until a few updates ago.
Worked perfectly fine. Can you name me one good reason why current function of these buttons, switching to some mysterious intermediate mode, where WIFI and BT is not turned off but only temporarily disconnects, is any better?
Because Apple said it’s better. /s
 
Can you name me one good reason why current function of these buttons, switching to some mysterious intermediate mode, where WIFI and BT is not turned off but only temporarily disconnects, is any better?

Using WiFi and Bluetooth positioning instead of GPS saves battery life, is more accurate, and is more reliable indoors. That's the technical justification.
 
When this technology is going to be released, (hopefully) covid isn't going to be an issue anymore. So I can only wonder, what might the real reason for building this stuff be.
Corona virus never was an issue, all scientific data shows it is basically the flu. No excess mortality. Anywhere.
Fake news, fake "experts" and power hungry politicians are the real problem. These monitoring systems they want to implement will be used against us and nothing else.
 
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The thing that this pandemic has revealed about society is the upsetting number of selfish, self centred people we live amongst.

I'm satisfied with the privacy measures built into this system and would absolutely opt in so that together, we can prevent further infections and end the suffering for everybody.

The thing about selfish people is that they depend on there being enough selfless people in society to end this pandemic for everyone. If there are more selfish people than selfless people, then it'll end up coming back and hurting the selfish people. Karma, as explained by science.
Wow...just wow. Fortunately many disagree with blindly opting into such a system that in no way will "prevent further infections and end the suffering for everybody".
 
Using WiFi and Bluetooth positioning instead of GPS saves battery life, is more accurate, and is more reliable indoors. That's the technical justification.
Ok sounds like total BS, WIFI and Bluetooth tracking can only increase accuracy when combined with GPS tracking. So they could just ask (as they used to do) for BT and WIFI when you need location services and increased precision is needed.

The truth is it makes only sense from perspective of a data aggregator - track more efficiently, and aggregate more data (who's in sam ebulidnng, who is in same room ....). if I remember correctly it was introduced around the time apple implemented social scoring worldwide.
 
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i wonder how many lawsuit this introduces in usa - ”you were only one i met two days ago and now i have corona. you gave me corona, pay 153 million to me now!” . reminds me about the cases of herpes (hsv1) and those ridiculous lawsuits about it.
 
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Ok sounds like total BS, WIFI and Bluetooth tracking can only increase accuracy when combined with GPS tracking. So they could just ask (as they used to do) for BT and WIFI when you need location services and increased precision is needed.

Wrong. Your first sentence makes no sense. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth tracking works independently of GPS. How does Mac and non-cellular iPad location work?

What you also don't realize is the prevalence of background location tracking not only in apps but a lot coming from Apple themselves. These include Do Not Disturb while Driving, HomeKit location triggers, Find My Friends, Travel Time, Wi-Fi Calling, Apple Wallet suggested cards, Apple Pay location crowdsourcing, HealthKit activity tracking, parked car location, location-based reminders, etc.
 
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Wrong. Your first sentence makes no sense. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth tracking works independently of GPS. How does Mac and non-cellular iPad location work?

What you also don't realize is the prevalence of background location tracking not only in apps but a lot coming from Apple themselves. These include Do Not Disturb while Driving, HomeKit location triggers, Find My Friends, Travel Time, Wi-Fi Calling, Apple Wallet suggested cards, Apple Pay location crowdsourcing, HealthKit activity tracking, parked car location, location-based reminders, etc.

All the features you mentioned use GPS. With WIFI/BT/GSM tracking alone they would be barely usable and very unreliable.
Thing is, I just want to turn that stuff of quickly. for privacy reason. Apple took that feature away for no good reason.
Location services could ask for BT/WIFI when needed. Like they used to.

Apple replaced WIFI and BT on off switch with fake buttons, compromising iOS users privacy.
 
You could turn on and off bluetooth and WIFI via control center until a few updates ago.
Worked perfectly fine. Can you name me one good reason why current function of these buttons, switching to some mysterious intermediate mode, where WIFI and BT is not turned off but only temporarily disconnects, is any better?
1) Allows the iPhone to locate itself more quickly, accurately, and using less energy than via GPS.

2) Allows AirDrop to function quickly and reliably.

3) Reduces load on cellular towers and reduces people’s data usage by reconnecting them to WiFi the next day.
 
All the features you mentioned use GPS. With WIFI/BT/GSM tracking alone they would be barely usable and very unreliable.

Again, you're wrong. Wi-Fi positioning works perfectly fine as evidenced by Mac and iPad use, you're just making things up. Bluetooth tracking is even more accurate than GPS. My Mac can find my house and office down to 100 ft.

You're also ignoring the fact that GPS does not work deep indoors.

Further, a coarse location allows the phone to decide whether you need a fine location. If there's location triggers set up for your house, and you're across town, as evidenced by Wi-Fi, there's no reason to continue with GPS.

Privacy is one thing, but these are the real technical reasons why Wi-Fi and Bluetooth tries to remain on.
 
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Thing is, I just want to turn that stuff of quickly. for privacy reason. Apple took that feature away for no good reason.

There are many good reasons that myself and others keep bringing up. If you want them off, guess what....you can still actually turn them off!

If you’re worried about privacy though, turn off location services.
 
Wow...just wow. Fortunately many disagree with blindly opting into such a system that in no way will "prevent further infections and end the suffering for everybody".

If you don't understand how contact tracing helps prevent further infections, then you belong to the group that society as a whole has to drag along for the good of the collective. You'll never thank us but you'll benefit from the experts and from the generous and altruistic members that give of themselves and are considerate of others to help make the world a better place.

Thankfully, those who Like and Love this post outnumber you 4 to 1 and I like to believe that this is how it is out in the real world as well.
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If you don't understand how contact tracing helps prevent further infections, then you belong to the group that society as a whole has to drag along for the good of the collective.

The scientists do understand. Models show that you need >60% of the population to use this feature in order to have any effect.

You're drinking tech company kool-aid. Apple merely slapped a coronavirus logo on the existing Find My Mac offline feature to win points against EU anti-trust regulators and to justify their operations being exceptions the lockdown.
 
1) Allows the iPhone to locate itself more quickly, accurately, and using less energy than via GPS.

2) Allows AirDrop to function quickly and reliably.

3) Reduces load on cellular towers and reduces people’s data usage by reconnecting them to WiFi the next day.

1) I highly doubt that, do you have some data? I doubt that triangulating WIFI, BT, GSM and GPS uses less power over all. maybe I am wrong, would love to see some data.

2) i don't need airdrop. Especially when I just turned off WIFI (or tried to, because that button is fake)

3) I don't want to use WIFI, I just turned it off. Wouldn't mind an option giving reminder that mobile data is used after x hours. Still want a functional button in control center back to turn it off and on when I decide.
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Again, you're wrong. Wi-Fi positioning works perfectly fine as evidenced by Mac and iPad use, you're just making things up. Bluetooth tracking is even more accurate than GPS. My Mac can find my house and office down to 100 ft.

You're also ignoring the fact that GPS does not work deep indoors.

Further, a coarse location allows the phone to decide whether you need a fine location. If there's location triggers set up for your house, and you're across town, as evidenced by Wi-Fi, there's no reason to continue with GPS.

Privacy is one thing, but these are the real technical reasons why Wi-Fi and Bluetooth tries to remain on.


Thing is, I don't need all these location services. None of them.
I understand that some people need them.
Still I dot think there is a reason why the WIFI and BT on off switch should not turn WIFI or BT on and off, other than apple being data hungry for their social scoring systems they put in place a few months ago, coincidentally the same time this functionality was removed.
 
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1) I highly doubt that, do you have some data? I doubt that triangulating WIFI, BT, GSM and GPS uses less power over all. maybe I am wrong, would love to see some data.

2) i don't need airdrop. Especially when I just turned off WIFI (or tried to, because that button is fake)

3) I don't want to use WIFI, I just turned it off. Wouldn't mind an option giving reminder that mobile data is used after x hours. Still want a functional button in control center back to turn it off and on when I decide.
1) You are wrong. Maybe you can do a little google searching?


2) That’s great.
3) That’s great. Turn it off in settings, it won’t come back on. Turn of auto-join, it won’t automatically connect to a certain network. Turn off location services.
 
1) You are wrong. Maybe you can do a little google searching?


2) That’s great.
3) That’s great. Turn it off in settings, it won’t come back on. Turn of auto-join, it won’t automatically connect to a certain network. Turn off location services.

1) I did. Could not find anything conclusive. Did assume you have some knowledge / source for you claims, my bad.
2 + 3) Still you could not give a reason why it made sense to remove that functionality form Control center.
 
1) You are wrong. Maybe you can do a little google searching?


To explain semi-technically, the GPS signal is so weak on cell phone type receivers, they can't just use one receiver. Rather, they use GPU-like techniques to process and decode the signal literally tens of thousands of times, then compare the thousands of solutions to pick out the most likely position. Thus GPS reception takes thousands of times more energy than relatively straightforward Bluetooth or Wi-Fi reception.

Keywords: massive parallel correlation.
 
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