Apple's Contact Tracing System Will Require Verification When Users Report Testing Positive for COVID-19

[Marekul]

To explain semi-technically, the GPS signal is so weak on cell phone type receivers, they can't just use one receiver. Rather, they use GPU-like techniques to process and decode the signal literally tens of thousands of times, then compare the thousands of solutions to pick out the most likely position. Thus GPS reception takes thousands of times more energy than relatively straightforward Bluetooth or Wi-Fi reception.

Keywords: massive parallel correlation.

"thousands of times more energy"
I highly doubt that. Would love to have some hard data on this.

 

[konqerror]

"thousands of times more energy"
I highly doubt that. Would love to have some hard data on this.

Google it yourself.

I'm not interested in doing work for somebody who can't admit they're plain wrong. That's why I didn't respond to you. I'm willing to share my knowledge with people who appreciate it, not people who just want to be told they're right.

 

[TechieGeek]

Google it yourself.

I'm not interested in doing work for somebody who can't admit they're plain wrong. That's why I didn't respond to you. I'm willing to share my knowledge with people who appreciate it, not people who just want to be told they're right.

+1 to this.

Marekul, I’m genuinely curious, what do you think is the reason engineers at Apple and Google prefer geolocation via WiFi?

(For the benefit of everyone else - it’s because it’s faster and more efficient for your phone to say, “I see these 8 WiFi networks around me and these are their addresses and signal strengths. Based on this knowledge, I must be located here.”)

 

[Marekul]

Google it yourself.

I'm not interested in doing work for somebody who can't admit they're plain wrong. That's why I didn't respond to you. I'm willing to share my knowledge with people who appreciate it, not people who just want to be told they're right.

I did. I couldn’t find anything conclusive. If it’s a 1000x difference, GPS should drain tge battery 1000x faster. Sounds like BS and since you don’t care about sources I bet it is.

 

[TechieGeek]

I did. I couldn’t find anything conclusive. If it’s a 1000x difference, GPS should drain tge battery 1000x faster. Sounds like BS and since you don’t care about sources I bet it is.

GPS does drain battery faster. I genuinely thought this was common knowledge nowadays.

 

[Marekul]

+1 to this.

Marekul, I’m genuinely curious, what do you think is the reason engineers at Apple and Google prefer geolocation via WiFi?

(For the benefit of everyone else - it’s because it’s faster and more efficient for your phone to say, “I see these 8 WiFi networks around me and these are their addresses and signal strengths. Based on this knowledge, I must be located here.”)

We got sidetracked on technicalities.
I made the claim that there is no good reason to remove functionality from WIFI and BT on off button In control center other than Apple being data hungry.

From consumer perspective it is a nuisance, and it is compromising privacy.
from data aggregator perspective it makes a lot of sense.
If It is so essential for location based services There are better solutions to handle this. Solutions that don’t remove important functionality And compromise your privacy.
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GPS does drain battery faster. I genuinely thought this was common knowledge nowadays.

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the question is not whether GPS drains your battery faster, but if GPS with BT and WIFI and GSM Triangulation on top uses less power than just GPS alone.
People here making wild claims it’s 1000x difference. I highly doubt that xD.

 

[Botts85]

This still feels creepy, especially with Google involved.

It's worse than creepy. The one entity I trust with my privacy less than Google is involved -- the government.

This is opt in from a technological perspective, but all it takes (depending on jurisdiction), in my neck of the woods, is the Minister of Health signing a one page order compelling anyone tested to enable this "feature" under force of law.

 

[Tech198]

"Verification will be a very important step in Apple's and Google's contact tracing system, preventing users from falsely reporting that they have tested positive for COVID-19 and inflicting unnecessary worry on others."

oh darn.

It's worse than creepy. The one entity I trust with my privacy less than Google is involved -- the government.

This is opt in from a technological perspective, but all it takes (depending on jurisdiction), in my neck of the woods, is the Minister of Health signing a one page order compelling anyone tested to enable this "feature" under force of law.

At least the verification should make it somewhat-better

 

[V_Man]

If you don't understand how contact tracing helps prevent further infections, then you belong to the group that society as a whole has to drag along for the good of the collective. You'll never thank us but you'll benefit from the experts and from the generous and altruistic members that give of themselves and are considerate of others to help make the world a better place.

Thankfully, those who Like and Love this post outnumber you 4 to 1 and I like to believe that this is how it is out in the real world as well.
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Well aren’t you special. Preaching to everyone. Likes and dislikes here mean what? Not a whole lot.

 

[I7guy]

You could turn on and off bluetooth and WIFI via control center until a few updates ago.
Worked perfectly fine. Can you name me one good reason why current function of these buttons, switching to some mysterious intermediate mode, where WIFI and BT is not turned off but only temporarily disconnects, is any better?

You can still turn off bluetooth and wifi, works perfectly fine.

 

[Marekul]

You can still turn off bluetooth and wifi, works perfectly fine.

Not from control center

 

[I7guy]

Not from control center

But you can turn them off, by going into settings, if one wants to do that.