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Want to use Stage Manager? Purchase an M1-based iPad. And find happiness.

Can't afford or don't want to purchase an M1-based iPad? Have an oversized embarrassing public whine and spout nefarious Apple conspiracy theories. And find happiness.

A win either way. I suspect most will go for the second option.
I already shared my complaints about leaving Ipad owners in the dust with just a 2 year old ipad but I find a common theme in this forum and that is that there is a sizeable base of fanboys who attack others for criticizing Apple products or software. It is not as simple as just buy the product Apple is trying to get you to buy - many people have limited incomes and can’t buy every new iteration of the Ipad, and I know many have been told by MacRumors there is no need for the M1 Ipad when it rolled out because of lack of pro software and then IOS rolls out one year later with software that does not play well with 75% of the Ipad user base. Have some compassion for fellow Ipad users.
 
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No, you missed the point. They don't want to build it a different way. It is already working properly. They know how computers work that do that- I bet they've even heard of Macs!
iPadOS (and iOS) have somewhat different goals, and they work differently as a result. That's why iPadOS kills background apps and browser tabs, and has limited multitasking, while macOS will happily consume memory until the system grinds to a near halt in critical memory situations.
No. You missed the point. You can't point to something being a way as justification for it being that way.
 
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And there were apps that used gigabytes of RAM too back then, right?
Sure, most apps don't now, but then if you were Apple you'd have to continually explain why iPadOS 16 on 1 year old iPads quits apps "randomly" as the system quickly runs out of RAM when people open larger apps.
I think this is a big reason for it only working on M1. The apps in stage manager are actually open and running, its not a screen shot like it is in the switcher. If someone opened a large app, and 3 other apps had to close out of the stage manager, due to lack of memory, the user would have a very poor experience. It would feel like the feature was broken. I have apps close all the time in the back ground, but they just relaunch when I "bring them to the foreground", so it's not as noticeable.
 
I already shared my complaints about leaving Ipad owners in the dust with just a 2 year old ipad but I find a common theme in this forum and that is that there is a sizeable base of fanboys who attack others for criticizing Apple products or software. It is not as simple as just buy the product Apple is trying to get you to buy - many people have limited incomes and can’t buy every new iteration of the Ipad, and I know many have been told by MacRumors there is no need for the M1 Ipad when it rolled out because of lack of pro software and then IOS rolls out one year later with software that does not play well with 75% of the Ipad user base. Have some compassion for fellow Ipad users.
Don't forget. These same people said 'buy a mini if you want Apple to make them.' Now they are saying 'you shouldn't have purchased the iPad you wanted.'
 
In order to do that, they would basically have to give Stage Manager to those macs, but only allow it on the external screen, and only allow 1 full screen app. "Stage Assistant Manager"

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the how iPadOS works. My Apple IIgs has a 2.8 mhz 65816 processor and can run multi-windows too. Does your Windows laptop have 6 GB of RAM and an ssd the same speed as an A12 iPad Pro?

This is extremely funny. I don't care how iPadOS works, if my Windows laptop with such outdated processor can run multi-windows with 4K display, then there is no reason iPad Pro with A12X above can't run multi-windows.

How else would you say a 2018 MacBook Air which is clearly less powerful than iPad mini being introduced last year and still capable to run stage manager?
 
It took awhile but apple is almost exactly where they where when Steve Jobs came back 25 years ago. Way too many oddly overlapping products and sku's.
You mean beside the incredible success of being the worlds most valuable company. I don't think that's where Apple was 25 years ago.
 
So decorative window dressings like shadows and ephemeral animations were deemed so essential to the functionality of Stage Manager that it was worth excluding several years of recent powerful products from its use?
The big chunk of the computational load is ensuring that apps are can be switched on at lightning-fast speed. However, the animations are also important to the feature looking (feeling) intuitively correct.
Those and external display support couldn't have been designed as runtime-optional depending on the processing speed and memory capacity of each running unit?

We all love you Craig but this is just ridiculous.
You'd like to have iPads working fine standalone but losing capabilities when connected to an external monitor? That makes the iPad a complicated system to explain to users. It also makes "function robbing" external monitors much harder to sell. This suggestion of "runtime optional" is the actual thing that sounds just ridiculous.

Have the functionality work on a per-product basis. That is the only rational way for Apple to play this. If you develop your own family of chips, products, and software, feel free to set it up with bunches of cute "runtime optional" features. Make sure to include training modules on how to explain the interplay of all those options to all sales and support staff. And prepare yourself for a raft of complaints from customers. 😬 #IncludeMeOut
 
"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."

So decorative window dressings like shadows and ephemeral animations were deemed so essential to the functionality of Stage Manager that it was worth excluding several years of recent powerful products from its use? Those and external display support couldn't have been designed as runtime-optional depending on the processing speed and memory capacity of each running unit?

We all love you Craig but this is just ridiculous.
Samsung S8 Ultra does something similar through Dex Mode. Is Federighi saying the non M1 iPads have lesser powerful SOCs than Samsung S8 Ultra? This is pure greed from Apple.

 
Again, if the performance is the issue, then explain how the Intel MacBook air can do it.

If there's an actual hardware required for stage manager, eg a controller that is not available on previous gen ipads, why can't just they say so? Why made up all of this as if performance is the issue? The previous gen ipad already have desktop class components, including nvme storage. How's that not enough performance, while the Intel MacBook air is fine?

If performance of the M1 is required, then Apple wouldn't have enabled it on the much inferior Intel Mac. But they did.
 
I already shared my complaints about leaving Ipad owners in the dust with just a 2 year old ipad but I find a common theme in this forum and that is that there is a sizeable base of fanboys who attack others for criticizing Apple products or software. It is not as simple as just buy the product Apple is trying to get you to buy - many people have limited incomes and can’t buy every new iteration of the Ipad, and I know many have been told by MacRumors there is no need for the M1 Ipad when it rolled out because of lack of pro software and then IOS rolls out one year later with software that does not play well with 75% of the Ipad user base. Have some compassion for fellow Ipad users.
Exaggerating a bit, don't you think? "Leaving iPad owners in the dust"? You'd think Stage Manager were now required to use your 2 year old iPad. It certainly wasn't a couple of weeks ago. If it's a "fanboy attack" to point that out, I don't know what to tell you.
 
Samsung S8 Ultra does something similar through Dex Mode. Is Federighi saying the non M1 iPads have lesser powerful SOCs than Samsung S8 Ultra? This is pure greed from Apple.

I'm sure "Dex Mode" runs on other Samsung tablets, but the tablet you chose has 50-100% more RAM than any of the older iPads people are complaining about.
 
Exaggerating a bit, don't you think? "Leaving iPad owners in the dust"? You'd think Stage Manager were now required to use your 2 year old iPad. It certainly wasn't a couple of weeks ago. If it's a "fanboy attack" to point that out, I don't know what to tell you.

An less than one year old iPad mini can't have Stage Manager, good lord...
 
Exaggerating a bit, don't you think? "Leaving iPad owners in the dust"? You'd think Stage Manager were now required to use your 2 year old iPad. It certainly wasn't a couple of weeks ago. If it's a "fanboy attack" to point that out, I don't know what to tell you.
There is an expectation, through experience and Apple's own accounting practices, that their customers are prepaying for software updates as part of purchasing Apple hardware. Not delivering the full update to some customers is at best misleading.
 
People complain because Apple was “underutilizing” M1.

Apple develops a feature that utilizes and pushes M1…people complain.

Face it…people love to complain. And this is from someone who can’t use it because I don’t have an M1 iPad!
 
Samsung S8 Ultra does something similar through Dex Mode. Is Federighi saying the non M1 iPads have lesser powerful SOCs than Samsung S8 Ultra? This is pure greed from Apple.


The Samsung S8 Ultra has 16 GB RAM and iOS devices has no RAM at all (besides M1 iPads as they have 8GB or 16GB RAM).
 
There is an expectation, through experience and Apple's own accounting practices, that their customers are prepaying for software updates as part of purchasing Apple hardware. Not delivering the full update to some customers is at best misleading.
Buying something based on what may or may not come to it at a later date isn’t exactly a smart purchase. Better off purchasing for what it can do “now”.
 
Buying something based on what may or may not come to it at a later date isn’t exactly a smart purchase. Better off purchasing for what it can do “now”.
Doesn't matter. It is how Apple has conducted business for decades.
 
Doesn't matter. It is how Apple has conducted business for decades.
Ok…and yet it’s still not anyone else’s fault except their own that they purchase based on what they “think” is coming. If you purchase a product based on rumors or ideas of what MIGHT come to it…prepare to be disappointed more often than not.
 
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I wish they would just make it a more straightforward answer. There does not appear to be some magical performance requirement, as stage manager is supported on a 2017 MacBook (Intel m3).

iPads going all the way back to A10 chip outperform the Intel m3:
2017 MacBook with Intel m3 = 142/871 (single core/multi-core)
iPad 2 with A5 = 260/489
iPad 7th gen with A10 = 746/1419
M1 = 1699/7314


The real answer seems quite a bit more simple: they can't make it work with less than 8gb RAM. All M1 iPads (and no prior models) have 8GB or more. Interestingly, all Ventura-supported Macs also shipped with 8gb or more. Some models prior to the supported models shipped with less.
If you mean geekbench 5 on M3-7Y32 in 2017 Macbook, it’s around 700/1500 if you check on geekbench
 
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Ok…and yet it’s still not anyone else’s fault except their own that they purchase based on what they “think” is coming. If you purchase a product based on rumors or ideas of what MIGHT come to it…prepare to be disappointed more often than not.
You said fault, but I think you mean fraud. The customer was sold an iPad and future OS updates. Not delivering is fraud, not fault.
 
If you mean geekbench 5 on M3-7Y32 in 2017 Macbook, it’s around 700/1500 if you check on geekbench

MacBooks don’t crash if they run out of RAM like iOS devices do.

I even have apps reloading on my M1 12.9 iPad Pro with 8GB RAM.
 
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You said fault, but I think you mean fraud. The customer was sold an iPad and future OS updates. Not delivering is fraud, not fault.
And they got a future OS update. Fraud would be promising an update and not getting one at all. You can be as upset as you want. But you were promised an OS update, which you‘re getting. You weren’t promised Stage Display. I was promised future OS updates for my Intel Mac. I wasn’t promised some 3D globe in Maps 🤷‍♂️ The update is promised. The contents of it are not.
 
And they got a future OS update. Fraud would be promising an update and not getting one at all. You can be as upset as you want. But you were promised an OS update, which you‘re getting. You weren’t promised Stage Display. I was promised future OS updates for my Intel Mac. I wasn’t promised some 3D globe in Maps 🤷‍♂️ The update is promised. The contents of it are not.
The 3D globe in Apple Maps is also another arbitrary removal by Apple that has nothing to do with the processing capabilities of the computer. They're just purposely trying to get people to migrate to Apple Silicon, which is understandable, but they don't need to make up ridiculous lies to justify it.
 
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