Nope. Everything. They paid for everything.
And please don't insult people by claiming they don't know what words mean.
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Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
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And please don't insult people by claiming they don't know what words mean.
Since no one is going to believe this excuse either, are we going to get another "Federighi Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads Even Further", followed by ""Federighi Thoroughly Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads"?
Oh good God 🤦♂️ Yes. You paid for “everything”. Everything AT THAT TIME!!! You are not guaranteed ANYTHING in the future. You can’t pay for “everything” when “everything” may not ever end up coming to fruition. You were never promised Stage Display. Heck, until a week ago, you didn’t even know it existed at all.
Making a purchase for the “maybe” that MIGHT come tomorrow is ridiculous. I’m getting the impression that absolutely no answer is going to satisfy this sense of entitlement you seem to have. That’s your problem. No one else’s. FYI…there isn’t a single company out there that guarantees every OS feature…to every single product…at every update cycle. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
No. You are incorrect, both on finances and precedent.
You paid for everything over the period in which Apple reports income for the product they sold or Apple has historically offered updates. Whichever is longer.
It's not entitlement when you pay for it. I paid for a service and product. I expect to receive it.
Well the precedent is that Apple has NEVER given every feature to every product, every update cycle. In fact…NO company does or has. So precedent isn’t exactly on your side here.
I literally don't understand the point of any of this post. The point is that other devices can handle this fine and Apple arbitrarily removes features from other devices for no reason. The only limitations of devices these days are the ones Apple magically places on them. The point isn't being promised features for all time for all eternity. The point is this feature isn't something that should be limited to just the newest iPad, because this is seriously nowhere near as demanding as high end 3D mobile games, which pretty much any iPad within the last 5 years can handle with flying colors. It's just UI animations and window/app management. If they wanted to, and there really was a limitation with animations and the graphical capabilities, Apple could very easily scale this feature to be less demanding on older devices. The only thing ridiculous here is your defense of Apple on this matter. What they're doing here is inexcusable.
Do you honestly think a MacBook Pro from 2016 can't handle Ventura, but the 2017 can? Do you think there is some stark contrast in graphical and computational prowess that would limit the 2016 from running Ventura? There's an entire community of people making new versions of macOS run on older hardware just fine. This year's cut off with Ventura was the absolute worst one yet. And now this Stage Manager nonsense. Apple is getting a bit ridiculous.
They could have made it work, but they didn’t cause they want to create a reason for people to upgrade. Duh!
But people here say Apple did it for no reason. Getting people to upgrade is a reason LOL
My last one was iPad mini (5th gen) (32 GB, so the smallest of the smallest iPad, with a $100 trade-in cash from other products) and AirPods. Before that was Watch Series 3 and iPhone SE (the real one, not that iPhone 8 wannabe).
So... yes. No recent high dollar devices from me. My wallet continues to vote "no" for Apple hardware. I had the same conversation with Apple sales guy at my local store this past weekend. No new phone means no new watch, either, Apple. #YourMove
This has been Apple for the last 5 years or so. Much more common on iPhone. Where they gate features for the latest models even if they make no sense. We will see iPhone 14 specific features in iOS 16 announced in September.
It is also why you can’t buy until the feature you want is there. As they can limit its availability in ways you’ll find unfounded.
It is also why you can’t buy until the feature you want is there. As they can limit its availability in ways you’ll find unfounded.
1. The next OS doesn’t require M1. Just this particular feature.
2. I’m asking for 6K support as I have a ProDisplay XDR which is 6K.
3. Many iPad apps do share frameworks and binaries with iPhone apps. But the vast majority of them have customised user interfaces in order to comply with Apple’s user interface guidelines. Those that don’t are iPhone apps that can be run with 2x scaling. iPad apps can be many magnitudes more complex than an iPhone app with much higher ram requirements. Just ask Adobe how difficult it was to make photoshop work on iPad.
4. But it would be a subpar experience if you can only have two windows open. Can you imagine only being able to have a couple of windows open on a desktop? That would be insane. M1 on iPad will allow 8. A lesser chip might only have been capable of just a couple of windows such as a device with an A9 chip.
5. They don’t need to kill off devices. They can continue to offer software support for many years. This particular feature just won’t be available on A series models. They don’t have the hardware to offer a good enough experience in line with Apple’s vision for the feature. Everything else will work great.
6. If isn’t nonsense. Because yes you did vote with your wallet. For the feature set that your iPad already had. You didn’t know Apple was bringing stage manager out in the future. Nobody did. You bought it based on the feature set available at the time. Since your purchase, if you don’t like the idea that at some point in the future your device may not support a certain feature and it’s your expectation to always get every new feature, then you can decide not to buy a new iPad. Send a message to Apple that you’ll only ever buy a new iPad if you get a guarantee of every single new feature for 5+ years.
Nobody should ever buy a product based on the potential for future feature updates or wish list items that may never come.
Buy based on the current feature set. Does it meet your needs? Yes? Great then buy it. If not then don’t buy it. But don’t complain that a feature that didn’t even exist when you chose to spend your money isn’t compatible. Apple doesn’t owe anybody new features that weren’t advertised at the point of sale. They are obliged to provide the feature set advertised when you handed over your money. Yes that does include software updates as is well known but not any particular feature. You may not like that or agree with it and that’s fine. But the point remains.
Seems like the ipad pro 12.9 2020 is the worst of all worlds. I knew buying it would be a mistake even with Apple touting "Computer" and upcoming "Apple Silicon", due to its identical performance to A12X. But I now realize after waiting two years for a proper iPadOS update, that I should have never bought into Apple's insinuations of the new way of computing with the ipad. And what's up with its LIDAR scanner.
I bought the ipad pro during the pandemic to cover the role of a laptop. Should have gone with a laptop. Would have retained better value and versatility.
I am sure Apple will continue this trend with upcoming products to make people throw their devices quicker. I've been an avid follower of Apple from the early 90's but I see they now have a way of aggravating tech folks who have been with them all this time. I've been installing every update from ios 1.0.1 including all betas in between. So much for my loyalty to Apple.
I bought the ipad pro during the pandemic to cover the role of a laptop. Should have gone with a laptop. Would have retained better value and versatility.
I am sure Apple will continue this trend with upcoming products to make people throw their devices quicker. I've been an avid follower of Apple from the early 90's but I see they now have a way of aggravating tech folks who have been with them all this time. I've been installing every update from ios 1.0.1 including all betas in between. So much for my loyalty to Apple.
Yep. Handoff and Continuity back in OS 10, around the time of Mavericks or Sierra. it was worse there, because it was first supported in one set of MacBooks but by final release, the list of devices was smaller because of the specific wifi/Bluetooth combo chip it needed.
Great, except we paid for all features, not everything but one.
Great. And they should ensure it works given they demoed it.
So?
I can't imagine any iPad running iPadOS 15 would be limited to two apps since they can already run 3 apps at once.
Redundant to point 1. Still not sufficient. It would be better to not launch the feature than to arbitrarily fragment the ecosystem by claiming one chip can do it while another that can do it, won't. Apple messed up. They shouldn't have launched this feature with iPadOS 16, or they should have launched the last generation of iPads with M1.
I am going to stop you right there. I expect every feature released for at least 3 years, with most features without clear hardware limitations (which the M1 is not one) for five.
They did. That's all that matters.
I purchased it with the expectation that all features for the next 3-5 years would be on the iPad
Yet Apple sells iPads on this promise.
They are obligated to provide every feature we paid for. They charged more upfront with the promise of future OS updates. Are they issuing me refunds or account credits because they failed to deliver all features to the hardware they sold? No? Then deliver on promises.
My contribution.
And yes it's ridiculous this only works on the M1. It is the latest in planned obsolescence.
Stage Manager is the culmination of a beta never released feature developed for MacOS (OS X) in 2006. So the fact that requires an M1 is absurd and completely false.
When Apple is forced to allow third-parties access to all their APIs and allows sideloading/alternate Appstores, then somebody would develop an alternative to stage manager. Don't worry.
The same thing is happening with MacBooks. I believe my 13” Intel 2020 MacBook Pro won’t support all the features in the next Mac OS.
So laptops are also facing this problem.
It is Apple just being Apple.
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Thank you @ratspg we need to email Craig and let him know. 😂
for all cry here, I would note two things: a simpler version of Stage Manager might be available for non M1 ipads. The main thing is multiwindow operation and it is already achieved in iPad OS 15. Its further refinement is probably underway for iPad 16.
Second, a non Apple, third party solutions also might become available, if Apple opens up API for the multiwindow operations ala Stage Manager.
I have Mini 6, which is not M1 *really should bought M1 Air but OK. On a small Mini, multiwindow operations are difficult and I never use iPad for work so I am not concerned much about that, but recent non M1 Pro's really became a bad deal too soon.
Second, a non Apple, third party solutions also might become available, if Apple opens up API for the multiwindow operations ala Stage Manager.
I have Mini 6, which is not M1 *really should bought M1 Air but OK. On a small Mini, multiwindow operations are difficult and I never use iPad for work so I am not concerned much about that, but recent non M1 Pro's really became a bad deal too soon.