Given how far in advance they are developing they should be reporting what you will get prior to releasing the device. Be upfront Apple, and tell people you don't plan to support them for than a few months.
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Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
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And as you want, it still runs the next few OSs. You will get your upgrades. Just not the things that your iPad does not run well. That is just how progress works.
They did NOT sell you the iPad as it will be in 5 years, they sold you 5 years of support and OS upgrades. Extra functionality is a bonus, not a right!!!
So yes, you seem someone with an entitlement issue!
There is no hypocrisy here. Only people pointing out Apple’s obsolescence and those defending Apple’s obsolescence. “Buy other stuff” is always the fallback comment when there’s nothing of logical and constructive value to add to the conversation. We use Apple products because they are tools we need. You don’t get to decide what people can be upset about over products they purchase. And these things they are upset about are perfectly reasonable. This isn’t crazy talk by entitled whiny people. They are legitimate concerns showcasing a very negative pattern that is growing more common with Apple.
What a croc! As Max Tech (on YouTube) pointed out, the 2020 iPad Pros contain the A12Z chip, which is what was in the Mac mini developer kits supplied to Devs in preparation for Apple silicon, and those dev units ran full Mac OS. Yet now we're being told that the A12Z cannot handle Stage Manager.
Typical Apple being Apple and screwing over their customers in order to extract more profit, and all while they endlessly virtue signal about this and that. I won't be upgrading my 2020 iPad Pro any time soon.
Typical Apple being Apple and screwing over their customers in order to extract more profit, and all while they endlessly virtue signal about this and that. I won't be upgrading my 2020 iPad Pro any time soon.
So please show me the Apple small print telling about this! You paid there and then and got what you paid for. There is no up front clause or promise anywhere!!
But hey, perhaps if this is how you expect the world to be, you will have a hard time! Do you expect your food to become a good meal because you paid up front? Do you expect your car to get more horse powers in the future because you paid up front?
Sorry that I called you entitled before, I was wrong. You sir are delusional!
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Given the fact that developer kits Mac minis for Apple Sillicon run macOs with A12 processor, it seems pretty obvious.
given the fact we were using macOs with Core 2 Duo chips with 4 GB of RAM, heck, even on PowerPC Macs with 128 GB of RAM and everything run great, it’s hard to believe you need M1 for stage manager. Remember, most Macs are still running Intel and I can without any problems run Ventura on old Hackintosh with i3 Haswell, almost 10 years old. Running on it Monterey without any problems with 8 GB of RAM…
A series chips do not have the memory bandwidth or capacity that M1‘s have with 8 or 16gb, not to mention the UMA architecture, that design is not just every A chip, it is unique to M series chips (an iPad/iPad Mini/iPhone do not have the same 68gb/s memory bandwidth M1 has not to mention the 100gb/s M2 is bringing with faster LPDDR5 6400 memory) over the M1’s LPDDR4 4226 memory. Devices that cannot do stage manager you still can multitask, to the limit of the existing workflows. Apple looked at very real technical baseline needed to provide this feature and made both a tecnical and business decision to have the feature be M1+ devices. Same way Apple decided Apple Maps 3D globe view would not be on intel macs, apple has every right as a company to define the baseline hardware they want based on an experience they want to provide.
I have no problem at all with Apple developing new/advanced features that require newer devices with more memory and processing power to properly run those advanced features. That's why I purchased a 12.9" M1 iPad Pro back in December knowing there will be new features coming out that will require a more powerful tablet.
I understand your unhappiness. If I felt as strong as you and others do, I would immediately send Apple a strong message and purchase a competitor device that meets my requirements, and find happiness. Will you do it?
This is pretty much it. Having it (the current Beta) on my M1 11 inch Pro, all the apps are running. Now, all the apps also have more than 5GB of memory with disk swapping. It already feels sluggish with a lot of apps open and yes, I understand it is a beta. But in the short time I am running, it really feels like I am running two iPads simultaneously. One iPad on an external 5K w/ MS Teams and Slack and Youtube. And my main screen running Notes, Safari, and Email. All at the same time with YT playing while I am scrolling through Facebook.
Anything with less than 8GB, I would think is a sub-par experience. Maybe Apple only allows 3 apps max and NO external monitor support. or the external monitor has a full-screen app. In that scenario, I woulds create more uproar.
Either way, I think 8GB is gonna be the bare bone minimum. I will definitely upgrade to M2 w/ 16GB this fall.
The 12Z iPad Pros only have 4GB or 6GB of RAM (the mac mini dev kits had 16Gb). Many modern iPad apps use a lot of RAM and thus running Stage Manager, apps will run out of memory and will need to be swapped out. This will result in significant lag when swapping the app back in. And lag causes angry customers. So to avoid angry customers and have a performant system, Apple decided to only give Stage Manager to those iPads that have the 16Gb RAM allowing smooth functioning.
Personally I have an older iPad pro that does not get Stage Manager. Although I would love to have it I can understand why I won't get it. As an iOS software developer I totally understand the limitations of my iPad and I would not want to have a laggy system.
that dev kit was a custom board with 16gb of memory you have 6gb…your iPad isn’t that guy pal, its just not. Not to mention that dev kit probably had custom NVME from a Mac Mini not to mention IO. As Craig has said, the chip along is not the determining factor here. It’s a culmination of the processor but also memory and storage speeds. Your iPad is missing 2/3 things (if we assumed the processor was technically capable to drive the experience). You don’t have the ability to seamlessly output to 4/5/6K displays and youre nvme drive speeds are not on par with intel macs since 2015 or the M1 iPads.
It doesn’t have to make a justification. All it has to do is advertise which devices support which features. By that logic and knowing that Apple update this list and their terms and conditions every year like clock work, they set precedent and expectation that not all features will be available for you moving forward.
I recognise that your expectation isn’t aligned with that. But Apple have been explicit year on year in plain English that not all features will be available on all devices. That historical context shows that in the future, your iPad as it gets older, may not get all the new features. Yet you chose to buy an iPad. If you weren’t aware of this fact and didn’t research this before you bought it, that isn’t Apple’s fault. The information was available.
Here’s another example but this time from the year before for iOS 14 and the iPhone. At release the iPhone 8 was still on sale. But as I’ve highlighted certain features needed an iPhone XR. So again, there was never an automatic entitlement to every new feature. Precedent shows this year on year, it’s in the terms and conditions. And so I’m afraid this is simply your personal expectations not being met and neither a case of Apple making a false statement, a false promise or a false advertisement.
Love the confidence your giving me having just bought the M1 Air with 8gb. I don’t need a bunch open but smh I don’t want it to be laggy and sluggish. Excited to see how you’re experience evolves throughout betas, and please report any oddities and bugs to help development
If Ventura lags on your old hackintosh then you will blame your old hackintosh.
If Stage Manager lags on and old iPad then the average Joe will blame Apple.
Apple cares about a happy average Joe!
I am also pushing this through a LG 5K display at 5120x2880. That takes up a lot of horsepower. I have 3 Windows laptop and ONLY one Razor Blade can drive that 5K with an RTX GPU (in addition to my 16 Macbook Pros). I am certain it will be better on a 1080p, 1440p or 4k display. 5K = 15.8 million pixels, 4k = 8 million pixels.Love the confidence your giving me having just bought the M1 Air with 8gb. I don’t need a bunch open but smh I don’t want it to be laggy and sluggish. Excited to see how you’re experience evolves throughout betas, and please report any oddities and bugs to help development
I cant imagine it driving a 6K XDR display.
Well... I don't agree with this either. It's a bit of an extreme approach. This could all be sorted more easily if they would just be clearer about what each product category and class is meant to do and to whom the product is targeted.
No one expects a city roadster to suddenly be capable of extreme offroad trail blazing after a software update. But if Ford sold roadsters outfitted with certain technology that could enable extreme offroad capabilities and did not make it clear during the initial sales that feature disparity would indeed be coming to cars with designs whos function was limited only by software.... and then surprised everyone with an update that transformed their roadsters into multi-role SUVs etc... well they've just changed the entire value proposition for a purchase of current, past and future vehicles of their own... thus disenfranchising certain customers while pandering to others....
It just gets ugly the more money to put into a technology investment when this sort of things rears its ugly head. To be fair, Apple are treading on new territory and existing precedents may not be sufficient to provide a guideline for them to follow with these new products, but even then a clear attempt at being more transparent with "intent" would go a long way to quelling customer concerns.
I can honestly say that even though "I" benefit from this recent OS upgrade (being an owner of the latest iPad Pro model) I do not agree with how this has been handled nor does this give me any confidence that the future of any of my Apple products is set for more than the moment of purchase.
And knowing the many very viable alternatives that are out there in the non-iOS world and the fact that performance variability between them is becoming less and less of a concern... well... they are making it really, really hard for me to continue justifying Apple as a manufacturer of choice.... this for me personally... I do not mean to imply this is or should be the case with anyone else. But please know I was a massive proponent of Apple... I even worked to ensure Apple was an officially supported standard at the financial institution I once worked for over a decade ago. (This was, at the time, ground breaking...)
Now... things have changed.... as have attitudes... and I just don't see them doing themselves any huge favors with moves like this.
I firmly believe if anyone has a complaint they should voice it loudly and that the people who complain about the complaints should find something else to do with their time as they only serve the interests of laziness and greed. Two qualities I frankly find uninspiring.
Well I plan on acquiring a Studio Display for my setup to go in my future apartment, because aesthetics.
I use macOS so I never really cared about stage manager there. But for an iPad, yeah I won’t be purchasing another one. It’s just a consumption device for me. I require a more capable device for my work and spend my time on Mac desktops anyways.
"Because it forces customers to upgrade"
That's why. And we all know it. lol
That's why. And we all know it. lol
The issue you're running into with driving the display is more a limitation of cabling and ports on the various systems. The ports or cables may not have the bandwidth or physical pins/wiring to support driving a greater than 4k display. This is also not really an Apple vs PC problem, but an industry wide issue that manufacturers are just now begining to address with standards like HDMI 2.1 and so on. Cabling and ports that support HDMI 2.1 should have the necessary bandwidth to provide for up to 8K at 30hz (if I am not mistaken).
Anything greater than what is dictated by industry standards is usually proprietary with no guarantees (outside of those self declared by a manufacturer) implied.
Razer is one of the few PC makers who supported HDMI 2.1 effectively and who also offered somewhat stable USB3/Thunderbolt ports on their PCs begining in 2020.
But if Apple sold me a USB 4 capable mac who's drivers limited it to USB 3 then later updated it to support USB 4 and all the while was still selling USB 3 limited machines with the same product designation... it would get confusing and frustrating.... that's what most people complaining are experiencing. Frustration and confusion... and that is no one elses fault other than Apple. They control the narrative for their products. If their explanation or justification is insufficient to remedy confusion and frustration well... then they need to change it until it does... or just kiss that part of their business goodbye, as eventually customers will either grow tired/cynical or competitors will capitalize and snatch up market share at the earliest opportunity.
Everyone knows Apple needs to release pro features for the iPad as soon as they can. The reason it can run on older, crapper Macs is those Macs have very good storage and 8GB+ RAM. The older iPads have beastly chips in terms of processing power, but the SSDs in the older iPads are nowhere near as robust and fast, and the RAM is lower.
The real **** thing from Apple was putting subpar storage and low amounts of RAM in these iPad Pros from 2018 onwards. They would have known this issue was going to come up.
I do not recall being canvassed as to whether I love Craig. If I had, my response would have been Certainly Not, as I do not hold any affection for individuals who publicly lie on a regular basis.
No need to explain further, some people will complain no matter what.