But..but, Apple doesn't make a sale if they do that.
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Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
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Well, “reduced functionality” is basically the existing multitasking and multiple display features that iPadOS 15 already has. All Stage Manager is, apart from virtual memory and the ability to run 8 apps at a time (with four apps in the same group), is a new task switching UI. But the very design of that new UI doesn’t really work well unless multiple apps can actively live in memory and draw to the screen simultaneously. The design implies availability of apps that may need to restart/reload after you switch back to them if you don’t have the memory resources of the M1’s virtual memory.
Right on point
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This dents confidence in the longevity of Apple devices
One of the benefits of buying Apple devices has always been their longevity. We’ve been able to buy an iPhone, an iPad, or a Mac, knowing that it will be supported by software updates for 5+ years, and will remain perfectly usable for far longer than that.Leaving aside those of us prone to gadget-lust, most typical Apple customers will keep a Mac for 5-7 years, some for 10 years – and that’s a completely realistic thing to do. iPads may date a little faster, but it’s again been perfectly feasible to retain one for five or more years.
Sure, the switch from Intel to Apple Silicon chips in the Mac was a game-changer. The difference in both performance and battery-life was so great that it was entirely understandable that it represented a watershed between old and new generations. It may suck to be someone who bought the last Intel-powered Mac, but that shift was unavoidable.
But the same kind of watershed doesn’t exist with the iPad. iPads already ran on Apple-designed chips, and the difference between A12X, A12Z, and M1 is evolutionary, not revolutionary.
So I think it’s entirely understandable that owners of 2018 iPads like me are a bit miffed, and that owners of 2020 models can quite reasonably be extremely annoyed that their two-year-old high-end models are denied the key feature of iPadOS.
Maybe because every Mac that can run Ventura has a min 8gb of ram…and exceedingly fast NVME. Non M1 iPads don’t have the memory capacity nor the proper class of NVME storage performance, I’m sorry but its a fact.
Well said!
Plus, the macOS has been doing swap memory since the introduction of Mac OS X (NeXTStep was doing it before that). Mac OS Classic did have a virtual memory feature, but, instead of being a conventional swap design, it basically just allocated a chunk of storage on the hard drive as part of memory (basically, the inverse of RAM Disks, where you load a certain amount of RAM as a mountable disk). You could allocate it and apps could write to it just the same as they could write to every memory address in RAM, but, of course, speeds were limited to the read/write speeds of the hard drive. I remember times when I used it that desktop window redraw was painfully slow, because Mac OS was using the hard drive as memory for those functions or windows. So I usually only turned it on when I absolutely needed more memory.
Swap memory is a lot more intelligent than that, it uses scheduling and predictive memory usage to swap out applications not actively being used, prepare memory for use that is likely to be used soon, and it abstracts away the hard drive from applications using it as swap so that memory access can be as quick as possible on a hard drive/SSD. (On the older Fusion Drives, I’d imagine that much of swap actually stayed on the flash memory component to take advantage of its read/write speeds, with some sparsely used swap memory being on the hard drive.) It seems like the M1’s unified memory architecture somehow does improve the latency figures of even solid state flash storage, making a swap memory technique viable on the iPad when Apple’s never used it on the iPad before.
Not sure. I don’t know the source code of iOS. Everything is sandboxed though which I am sure adds some overhead compared to traditional desktop operating systems.
I don't think it's common for an iPad user to gravitate towards Surface Pro. Completely different devices altogether.
Typical Apple policy.
As 5th year apple consumer I learned that.
+1 on vote with wallet
+1 on wait for OLED
+1 on 3rd generation is where maturity begins
+1 on DAX but it has its limits, well imagine family of five having only five devices(phones) and lets say one laptop/desktop, poor stockholders
+1 on cannibalizing sales of device xy
+1 on is this Stage Manager really the desktop I am waiting for ?
+1 on selfrepair is lol
+1 whenever I see “experience” and “productivity”volume of my distrust to that statement goes up
I feel for all those arguing about ipads with A processors are good enough. The arguments about them crying are argumentation fouls. I think most of them are good enough, honestly looking forward to read about actual i/o performance with Stage Manager on and off.
What can I think about company releasing emoticons as something worth mentioning.. bittersweet LOL. I do not intend to be unfair.
Well I am concerned about how the support policy will look like with apple silicon.
I feel like seeing more features for pro devices than before. As if with the os16 apple wants to be social networking company with hardware.
As 5th year apple consumer I learned that.
+1 on vote with wallet
+1 on wait for OLED
+1 on 3rd generation is where maturity begins
+1 on DAX but it has its limits, well imagine family of five having only five devices(phones) and lets say one laptop/desktop, poor stockholders
+1 on cannibalizing sales of device xy
+1 on is this Stage Manager really the desktop I am waiting for ?
+1 on selfrepair is lol
+1 whenever I see “experience” and “productivity”volume of my distrust to that statement goes up
I feel for all those arguing about ipads with A processors are good enough. The arguments about them crying are argumentation fouls. I think most of them are good enough, honestly looking forward to read about actual i/o performance with Stage Manager on and off.
What can I think about company releasing emoticons as something worth mentioning.. bittersweet LOL. I do not intend to be unfair.
Well I am concerned about how the support policy will look like with apple silicon.
I feel like seeing more features for pro devices than before. As if with the os16 apple wants to be social networking company with hardware.
This reminds me when they wouldn’t let you change the wallpaper on the iPhone 3G after upgrading to ios4.
I think Stage Manager is really good for external monitors. Regular iPad use doesn't need it.
We will definitely see the same story all over again. Expect the M1 to be ditched very quickly as the M2 not only have newer cores, it supports LPDDR5 and media engine. The M1 Pro/Max might get an extended life as they also uses LPDDR5. It will be the same story, where Apple will repeat the same pattern, claiming that the M1 is too slow. I expect M1 devices would be dropped off support in 3 years or so.
So you are saying 1, 2, 3, … years ago you PAID for stage manager? You bought an iPad years ago for this feature that was just announced?
Hey I bought a computer (windows computer I custom built) a few years ago and it doesn’t have PCIe4 let alone 5!!!!! How dare people make new products and versions!
That’s physical hardware. This a software feature. That’s a terrible analogy.
The chip is not the only factor of a tech device. Just as importantly is RAM. And those iPads had poor RAM compared to the DTK
No it’s not. According to those on this site I should get it for free. And Windows 11 won’t work on it. I won’t be able to utilize direct storage as it needs faster SSD than I can support. Both of those are software issues.
Your analogy is terrible and you’ve missed the point. And no, window management doesn’t require bleeding edge SSDs. You are just eating up what Apple said. They purposely gated their core iOS feature to only work with their most recent expensive device … for the sole purpose of selling their most recent expensive device. They also said the 3D globe in Apple Maps was only possible on M1 Macs, which is pure and utter nonsense. And so they didn’t include it in Intel Macs for the purpose of pushing sales of M1 Macs. They’re doing this on purpose and making up excuses for it. If you honestly think this 3 trillion dollar company can’t code a multi tasking feature to work on several flavors of the iPad with varying hardware, then that’s why we’re in this situation. You guys are seriously eating up this Apple trash like it’s candy.
And that was part of my reason I didn't upgrade to the 2020 model when I had a 2018 iPP. The major feature was LiDAR for 2020 models and that was useless for me.
Not trying to come off insincere, those 2020 iPP buyers should of been well aware there was no major differences between the 2018 iPP. I knew then that if I was in a market for a iPP during that time.. I'll look for a used 2018 iPP.
It requires RAM which is hardware. And something the pre-M1 iPads suffered from with 4GB and 6GB of RAM. Which is poor for multitasking at this level.
Computing devices are more than just the processor. How much work could I do with an i9 processor but only 4GB of RAM?
Exactly! I was mostly confused why the original person I was replying to was assuming that Intel Mac computers were not getting Stage Manager; at least that is what I understood from their post.
Thank you! I love this - it’s not even “in the gutter,” and IIRC Tim Cook even stated iPad sales are down due to chip shortages. Across the board things look bad not because they’re not selling enough, it’s because they can’t make enough!I'd sure like own that gutter.
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Same thing happened in 2020 and early 2021 with Nintendo Switch consoles and is still a problem for Sony PS5 consoles.