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Exactly, cuz I bought an iPad just a month ago, and Apple decided to make it obsolete already, instead of waiting 5 or more years

I didn't need a Pro device, and it shouldn't matter what device I decided to get.
The fact that it's been bought not long ago is what matter most.
Well then, how do you figure Apple made your device obsolete? Only iPad Airs and iPad Pros have the M1 chip. Whatever non M1 iPad you bought was not going to have the new Pro features for IpadOS 16 anyway.
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So, as a software engineer, are you saying that you couldn’t design the system to fit the specs?

Seems like a choice Apple made to fit certain specs. And their customer base, who bought iPads that in some cases rival MacBook pro prices, are pissed.

Everyone who’s upset has their viewpoints, and those viewpoints are valid, no matter how much experience they have programming. It’s a valid point that the competitor’s tablets have had more ram (they needed it) and therefore similar capabilities for years. It’s a valid point that Apple’s main chips are likely capable of stage manager, perhaps with less animation/fewer apps/slower, even if they don’t have the ram or other system hardware that’s capable of it. And, as customers that dumped a boatload of money on their iPad Pros, they are right to feel betrayed by this move, even if Apple couldn’t do anything *today* to make it work.

Too many times of screwing over your customers (even if the “screwing over” is in the customers’ minds) and the customers will make different choices.

I’ll probably keep buying Apple. But I’m certainly not going to buy another iPad Pro setup with an 12.9” iPad ($1100,) pen ($130,) and keyboard ($350, total $1,580.) I’d rather spend that money on a full laptop and save some money. The M2 Air will be $1,200, has double the storage, and should be fully supported for a minimum of 5 years and will probably function pretty well for a minimum of 7.

Will this hurt Apple? No. They won’t care, and they’ll keep making a boatload of money. So whatever. But they screwed over people who bought really expensive kit from them. So in my opinion, they deserve the ********* they’ve gotten here.
Software will expand to fill any available hardware capacity. That's a known fact. This has nothing to do with Stage Manager. Engineers and marketing will always expand the specs to fill up that hardware. Modern OS'es do a tremendous amount of work behind the scenes, stuff they were totally incapable of 30 years ago.

I'll give you an oversimplified example. Most software a few decades ago used 8- or 16-bits per instruction, something that would be a pushover for hardware today, but back then, it took some serious horsepower. Nowadays, 64-bit is standard fare. Some supercomputers are starting to use 128-bits or even 256-bits. At 64, you're now pushing 4 to 8 times the amount of data through the pipe for doing the same task. Something done over 30 years ago now requires four times the power to do exactly the same thing. But because you have that extra bandwidth, you can do some rather impressive stuff. I'll expand that example with color. If you used 8-bits per pixel for color back in 1984 when I was first starting out, you could have 2^8 colors or 256 possible colors. That looked pretty ugly back then. Now we can do 64-bit color for a total of 2^64 color palette (1.8 e19, far more than the eye can see. But it sure looks good.

Your comment is exactly why I say people who know nothing about software engineering shouldn't make outlandish statements. I'm not going to tell a plumber how to fix the toilet or the sink because I don't have a clue how to do that. I'm sure you were being flippant, but saying, "I couldn't design the system to fit the specs" is downright insulting it taken in another context, so I'll choose to believe you were just being flippant. It's fine to say you want something. But tell an engineer this should be easy because we could do something similar 30 years ago on completely different hardware in a completely different environment and a completely different platform is just eye rolling. Just how memory is used in a tablet versus desktop OS or even different tablets is hugely different but the average layman doesn't know that. The average person's eyes would glaze over if engineers started discussing how virtual memory works and how the presence or absence of it seriously affects what is possible. This is why engineers do not write press releases.

This is how he process works. Marketing does an analysis for what the customer needs. They turn those into requirements. Those requirements are sent to engineering, which creates design specs for how it's going to work and what resources are needed. There are many levels of specs from a system spec (how it's supposed to work in a big context) down to a low-level design document (how it's implemented down to exact methods used to do something) along with a schedule and staffing plans. The high level system docs go to marketing, which says if it's sufficient and meets their requirements. If not, there is negotiating between engineering and marketing for available resources, money to do it, amount of staff needed, and any compromises on what can be done in a certain amount of time. Both sides sign off and the engineers do their work. Sometimes, the answer from engineering is that something isn't possible within a certain time frame or with the hardware specified or with the manpower given, so negotiations happen there, too. Basically marketing asks for the moon while engineers bring them back down to earth. What we end up with is a compromise between the earth and the moon.
 
They’re doing this on purpose and making up excuses for it. If you honestly think this 3 trillion dollar company can’t code a multi tasking feature to work on several flavors of the iPad with varying hardware, then that’s why we’re in this situation. You guys are seriously eating up this Apple trash like it’s candy.

Just to add. Apple really pumped up how powerful the A12X was. It reads like you're going to be buying a "computer" and promoting the new things you'll be able to do with upcoming software. So if you're wondering why consumers are a bit surprised that the chip is to crappy to support what seems like a fairly lightweight feature, Apple deserves some credit for setting expectations so poorly.

The A12X Bionic chip with next-generation Neural Engine in iPad Pro outperforms most PC laptops and offers a new USB-C connector, Gigabit-class LTE, and up to 1TB of storage to enable powerful new mobile workflows.2 With over a million apps designed to take advantage of the large Multi-Touch display, including next-generation apps like Photoshop CC on iPad (coming 2019), the new iPad Pro will push what users can do on a computer further than ever before.

 
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I was never happy with my iPad and I use it about every three months. Every time I want to use it I need to first charge it.
Then I sign some document with the Apple Pencil which I also need to charge first.
And then I remember that this is a really capable computer, but I can't do any programming on it.

So nothing changed for you?

You were unhappy before this announcement and you are still unhappy. Apple didn't change your life at all and you're still angry at them.
 
It's Apple's privilege to decide how they create their software and hardware and which feature they make available to customers.

So yes, Apple is letting customers have certain features or not at their own discretion. It's their software.

This arrogant attitude really ruins the reputation of software companies, and, sometimes, it make me want to go open even if I didn't have an Apple device at all.

Stop treating users as if companies were selling a "privilege" to us!

Imagine a car company saying you buying their cars is a privilege, or a bookstore saying you buying their books is a privilege.

It's a 2-way street: they need us for their profits too. And if we buy a product / service, we are entitled to fair, transparent treatment.

I'm not requiring my iPad to have every feature under the sun. But it's not fair that a closed device with so much power gets phased out so quickly. It's wasteful, and it's planned obsolescence.
 
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Of course, nobody asked him "why does it work on that intel macbook then?"
Because the tech press already knew the answer. Intel MacBooks have been capable of virtual memory for decades. A-series processors were never made for virtual memory and do not have the capability to manage it. Why ask a question when the answer is obvious since Craig talked about virtual memory and why it's needed. While the average person may not know what virtual memory is and what it's used for, it's the job of someone in the tech press to know.
 
This arrogant attitude really ruins the reputation of software companies, and, sometimes, it make me want to go open even if I didn't have an Apple device at all.

Stop treating users as if companies were selling a "privilege" to us!

Imagine a car company saying you buying their cars is a privilege, or a bookstore saying you buying their books is a privilege.

It's a 2-way street: they need us for their profits too. And if we buy a product / service, we are entitled to fair, transparent treatment.

I'm not requiring my iPad to have every feature under the sun. But it's not fair that a closed device with so much power gets phased out so quickly. It's wasteful, and it's planned obsolescence.
You’re being a baby, your device may be powerful, but M1 makes it look slow in comparison and Apple software development isn’t going to withhold slow down feature development for the future of where they have said they want the iPad to go because your device fell victim to sooner then expected development of what is a significantly more powerful SOC. M2 makes the M1 look kinda weak in a variety of ways, you don’t see me crying about it and I just bought my M1 device a day ago. I know this will happen to me because its inevitable, its litteraly the progression of technology hardware and software and thinking your exempt from that is a sure fire way to get your feelings hurt, case in point.
 
A Windows 98 machine probably can't load macrumors.com without running out of memory.

It can, actually. All you need is to either scale down the website (e.g, reducing image quality, text rendering), or render it in a cloud server.

Here's an example:
 
Your being a baby, your device may be powerful, but M1 makes it look slow in comparison and Apple software development isn’t going to withhold slow down feature development for the future of where they have said they want the iPad to go because your device fell victim to sooner then expected development of what is a significantly more powerful SOC. M2 makes the M1 look kinda weak in a variety of ways, you don’t see me crying about it and I just bought my M1 device a day ago. I know this will happen to me because its inevitable, its litteraly the progression of technology hardware and software and thinking your exempt from that is a sure fire way to get your feelings hurt, case in point.

That's exactly the kind of condescending attitude I'm talking about.
First of all, I do have an M1 iPad. I'm complaining because I think Apple has not been fair / transparent to OTHER users. I'm supporting THEM.

Because I know that this could be ME. And it might very well be, if Apple is allowed to do all they please.
Second, I deserve to be respected as an adult who worked hard, and paid for their device with their hard work.
We all do.

We are all ADULTS here, and paying clients.
 
So if the M1 iPad is so powerful why not allowing the MacOS to run on it?
Because macOS is not touch optimized. It would make for a miserable experience. It's why Surface Pros suck so badly because they try to shoehorn a desktop OS into a tablet form. It's so bad that MS abandoned their promise to make Windows 10 the last OS they'd ever make by coming out with Windows 11. MS has been trying since Vista to make a hybrid and have failed pretty badly. Apple is smart by not following MS's example.
 
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That's exactly the kind of condescending attitude I'm talking about.
First of all, I do have an M1 iPad. I'm complaining because I think Apple has not been fair / transparent to OTHER users. I'm supporting THEM.

Because I know that this could be ME. And it might very well be, if Apple is allowed to do all they please.
Second, I deserve to be respected as an adult who worked hard, and paid for their device with their hard work.
We all do.

We are all ADULTS here, and paying clients.
Apple is not required to slow down product software or hardware development to merely meet what you’re own belief of pace things should be supported for. Apple is a company and only legally binding obliogation they have would be to share holders, customers myself included can take or leave their products at will.
 
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Apple is not required to slow down product software or hardware development to merely meet what you’re own belief of pace things should be supported for. Apple is a company and only legally binding obliogation they have would be to share holders, customers myself included can take or leave their products at will.

And you keep with your condescending attitude.
Is anyone really WANTING to dictate Apple's development pace?
No, we don't! We want transparent, fair behavior.

And if Apple cannot meet that transparent, fair behavior, ultimately we will move to more transparent companies.
Of course no company is perfect, but if Apple is not willing to, they will stay behind.
They are already playing a dangerous game focusing only on content creation, which is the only categories their hardware truly excels at currently.

If we, unhappy users, are not treated well, what happens when Apple loses their edge?
Don't expect brand loyalty from users being treated condescendingly.
 
Luckily I have an M1 iPad Pro, so I guess I've got a year before "Stage Manager+" is released for a yet to be released iPad Pro and I'm SOL. It's so nice that Apple cares so much about electronic waste that they let their high-end products last a whole two years before they start limiting features. /s
 
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Luckily I have an M1 iPad Pro, so I guess I've got a year before "Stage Manager+" is released for a yet to be released iPad Pro and I'm SOL. It's so nice that Apple cares so much about electronic waste that they let their high-end products last a whole two years before they start limiting features. /s

It's exactly another reason why I am so mad at them. It's downright hypocritical they keep making repairs so difficult, but then try to pull they are environment-friendly.

The next time bomb is their Apple Pencil. Batteries are not replaceable, so you will eventually have to discard a perfectly good chipset because you can't replace the battery.

I saw someone trying to repair it by destroying the shell, printing a new one and replacing the battery, but apparently a battery replacement is hard to find.
 
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It's exactly another reason why I am so mad at them. It's downright hypocritical they keep making repairs so difficult, but then try to pull they are environment-friendly.

The next time bomb is their Apple Pencil. Batteries are not replaceable, so you will eventually have to discard a perfectly good chipset because you can't replace the battery.

I saw someone trying to repair it by destroying the shell, printing a new one and replacing the battery, but apparently it's hard to find.

Apple has never actually cared about the environment, it was just a claim they made to get people to pay for what used to be standard issue components as accessories. It was a half-baked excuse to justify not providing an outlet adapter with the iPhone despite upgrading the included cord from USB-A to USB-C. It's pure arrogance, and worse still, justified arrogance as pretty much every media outlet let it pass with barely a huff if not just taking Apple at their word.

Apple benefits from a Halo effect like no other company. How else would a company get praised for supplier ethics after suicide nets had to be put up their factory? A company that agreed suicide nets were a solution, rather than treating the symptom rather than the disease! Apple has literally been found censoring apps in Taiwan on behalf of the mainland Chinese government. These are just the tip of the iceberg. They are far from even decent as a company, yet will continue to act this way as long as people not only give them a pass, but defend them. Honestly, one of the most annoying things about Facebook and Amazon is that it makes slightly less vile companies like Apple look like saints by comparison.

I can't stand the arrogance, I'm not above buying Apple despite their flaws, but just admit the type of company you are. The only difference between Bezos and Cook is that the former doesn't care about being liked and doesn't feel the need to distort facts in service of being liked.
 
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To all the folks pointing at what Apple is contractually obliged to provide to users and then asserting that ”Apple isn’t contractually obliged to provide you with anything new post-sale blah blah blah” - you know what, you’re completely correct, Apple isn’t obliged to provide updates.

However, as the owner of an expensive device I feel let down by Apple - and guess what? I’m not contractually obliged to buy another iPad Pro. Why should I?

If Apple merely provided what it was contractually obliged to provide its brand equity would evaporate.
 
Apple has never actually cared about the environment, it was just a claim they made to get people to pay for what used to be standard issue components as accessories. It was a half-baked excuse to justify not providing an outlet adapter with the iPhone despite upgrading the included cord from USB-A to USB-C. It's pure arrogance, and worse still, justified arrogance as pretty much every media outlet let it pass with barely a huff if not just taking Apple at their word.

That level of arrogance would not be possible if some users would not enable Apple's behavior, praising EVERY behavior, good AND BAD, as if they were some sort of perfect magical entity. Unfortunately, the Internet creates an echo chamber that is not healthy for users or companies.
 
To all the folks pointing at what Apple is contractually obliged to provide to users and then asserting that ”Apple isn’t contractually obliged to provide you with anything new post-sale blah blah blah” - you know what, you’re completely correct, Apple isn’t obliged to provide updates.

However, as the owner of an expensive device I feel let down by Apple - and guess what? I’m not contractually obliged to buy another iPad Pro. Why should I?

If Apple merely provided what it was contractually obliged to provide its brand equity would evaporate.
Do you buy iPhones? Every year, there are features that are limited only to the latest model. Apple limits one or more features to their high end iPhones every year, but still provide tons of new features in OS updates for years to come. There's no difference with iPads. Why no complaints about iPhones for doing exactly the same thing? I have yet to see a thread with so many comments about people complaining Apple is gimping their iPhones.

Oh, but iPhones are limited by hardware, you say! But so is Stage Manager. It's limited by hardware. No difference. Why are so many up in arms over Stage Manager, but not up in arms over 120Hz that went only on LTPO iPhones, or Cinematic video because of a faster neural engine, or ProRes video because only the A15 contained a ProRes encoder/decoder? This one iPad feature is limited by needing an M1. It's all the same thing.
 
I'm fully convinced the stages of grief are at play here. There's denial. "Of course the A12X is powerful enough to run it. See that demo? That iPad running four tiny apps that use hardly any memory work on SM!." There's the bargaining phase with, "if only Apple would limit the feature to 4 apps at once or ditch the second monitor".

Yet, no one bats an eye when Apple limits features annually on their iPhones only to their latest model. At least with the iPad, they limited it to four year old hardware. I suspect the reason is in the release cycle. iOS and iPadOS are always released at the same time with the brand new iPhones, typically on the Monday four days before their new iPhones arrive. So it's expected to limit features. It's new hardware, after all. Why release hardware if there aren't any new features?

iPadOS doesn't release at the same time as iPads, so there is always time between iPad releases and new features. Because Stage Manager was released 15 months after the M1 iPads, why shouldn't it work on 2020 or 2018 iPads? If they had released the feature in March 2021 right alongside the brand new release of the M1 iPads, would the reaction have been the same? Or would people automatically accept the limitation as hardware related, just as iPhone features are every single year? I suspect Apple waited until 2022 to release the feature because 2021 was consumed by Universal Control, another difficult-to-implement feature, and they didn't have the resources to do both. Or they didn't want two headline features.
 
I'm fully convinced the stages of grief are at play here. There's denial. "Of course the A12X is powerful enough to run it. See that demo? That iPad running four tiny apps that use hardly any memory work on SM!." There's the bargaining phase with, "if only Apple would limit the feature to 4 apps at once or ditch them second monitor".

Yet, no one bats an eye when Apple limits features annually on their iPhones only to their latest model. At least with the iPad, they limited it to four year old hardware. I suspect the reason is in the release cycle. iOS and iPadOS are always released at the same time with the brand new iPhones, typically on the Monday four days before their new iPhones arrive. So it's expected to limit features. It's new hardware, after all. Why release hardware if there aren't any new features?

iPadOS doesn't release at the same time as iPads, so there is always time between iPad releases and new features. Because Stage Manager was released 15 months after the M1 iPads, why shouldn't it work on 2020 or 2018 iPads? If they had released the feature in March 2021 right alongside the brand new release of the M1 iPads, would the reaction have been the same? Or would people automatically accept the limitation as hardware related, just as iPhone features are every single year? I suspect Apple waited until 2022 to release the feature because 2021 was consumed by Universal Control, another difficult-to-implement feature, and they didn't have the resources to do both. Or they didn't want two headline features.

Stop. You're not sounding smart trying to copy Rene Ritchie's speech.
 
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Stop. You're not sounding smart trying to copy Rene Ritchie's speech.
Do you buy iPhones every year and complain about how your older model is now obsolete? Sorry, but that is a very accurate assessment. If you don't complain about the iPhone, why are you complaining about the iPad? Must have struck pretty close to home.
 
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