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So you are saying 1, 2, 3, … years ago you PAID for stage manager? You bought an iPad years ago for this feature that was just announced?
Well, yes, actually. That's part of the deal. You pay a premium for an Apple device - especially a top-of-the-line Apple device and you expect several years of OS updates - which includes any OS updates which fundamentally change how the user interacts with the device.

So, yes, I have paid for Stage Manager.
 
Thank you! I love this - it’s not even “in the gutter,” and IIRC Tim Cook even stated iPad sales are down due to chip shortages. Across the board things look bad not because they’re not selling enough, it’s because they can’t make enough!

Same thing happened in 2020 and early 2021 with Nintendo Switch consoles and is still a problem for Sony PS5 consoles.

A quick look at the Apple Store says you're wrong. Next day delivery on all iPads
 
For me, a proper external monitor support on iPadOS is long overdue and also is a needed productivity feature, alongside a good multitasking. At least, removing the black bars (extended screen) on an external monitor; that would be a good start.

Maybe I am wrong... the new Air has USB-C, but doesn't have Thunderbolt. The mini also has USB-C. The Air can extend properly on an external screen, but the mini cannot; for reasons.
 
iPad 3 ran like crap after 9.3.X. Basically unusable. I’m shocked to hear you ran a multi-window configuration 🤯
I explicitly mentioned iOS5 as Quasar was only compatible with iOS5.

EDIT: in iOS5 (and in 6, 7 and prolly even 8) the iPad3 had absolutely no usability problems. (Apart from the HW issues caused by the too immature Retina release like considerably warm batteries upon CPU load etc.) And Quasar ran just great on it, allowing for seamless multiwindowing. Again, you needed to get track of the RAM usage (not start numerous memory-hungry apps in parallel) yourself to avoid some apps crashing. However, only individual apps crashed (were closed) due to shortage of RAM, not the entire system; that is, it was perfectly usable even on a 1GB model like the iPad3.
 
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What iPad was that? M1 iPA has been out for 2 months, and M1 iPP over a year, and rumors about iPadOS 16 for months. Seems like buying a non M1 iPad is your bad.
I didn't need a Pro device, and it shouldn't matter what device I decided to get.
The fact that it's been bought not long ago is what matter most.
 
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Great, except we paid for all features, not everything but one.

Great. And they should ensure it works given they demoed it.

So?

I can't imagine any iPad running iPadOS 15 would be limited to two apps since they can already run 3 apps at once.

Redundant to point 1. Still not sufficient. It would be better to not launch the feature than to arbitrarily fragment the ecosystem by claiming one chip can do it while another that can do it, won't. Apple messed up. They shouldn't have launched this feature with iPadOS 16, or they should have launched the last generation of iPads with M1.

I am going to stop you right there. I expect every feature released for at least 3 years, with most features without clear hardware limitations (which the M1 is not one) for five.

They did. That's all that matters.

I purchased it with the expectation that all features for the next 3-5 years would be on the iPad

Yet Apple sells iPads on this promise.

They are obligated to provide every feature we paid for. They charged more upfront with the promise of future OS updates. Are they issuing me refunds or account credits because they failed to deliver all features to the hardware they sold? No? Then deliver on promises.
Can’t believe I have to do this but here it goes:

They don’t owe you a quarter of anything.

“(b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future Apple Software Updates. The Apple Software Updates, if any, may not necessarily include all existing software features or new features that Apple releases for newer or other models of Devices. The terms of this License will govern any Apple Software Updates provided by Apple, unless such Apple Software Update is accompanied by a separate license, in which case you agree that the terms of that license will govern.”

That’s from the production version of the iOS SLA. The beta version is even less promising. Might want to give that a read since i’m assuming you never have and probably don’t think you should have to.

From the beta SLA:

“5. No Support and Maintenance. Apple is not obligated to provide any maintenance, technical or other support for the Apple Software or services provided hereunder, or any updates to you for the Apple Software. You acknowledge that Apple has no express or implied obligation to announce or make available a commercial version of the Apple Software or services to anyone in the future. Should a commercial version be made available, it may have features or functionality that are different from those found in the Apple Software licensed or the services provided hereunder.”

The “…Software licensed…hereunder” would be the beta software that this agreement applies to. So don’t bother cooking up a lawsuit.
 


Following the WWDC keynote last week, Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi spoke with TechCrunch's Matthew Panzarino about the new Stage Manager feature for iPad and Mac. Notably, he elaborated on Stage Manager being limited to M1 iPads.

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On the iPad, Stage Manager allows users to resize apps into overlapping windows for an improved multitasking experience. Stage Manager also fully supports an external display with up to 6K resolution, allowing users to work with up to four apps on the iPad and up to four apps on the external display simultaneously.

In a statement shared with Rene Ritchie last week, Apple asserted that Stage Manager "requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip." Federighi elaborated on that rationale in his chat with Panzarino, telling him that the power of the M1 chip ensures that all apps being used in Stage Manager are "instantaneously responsive."

"It's only the M1 iPads that combined the high DRAM capacity with very high capacity, high performance NAND that allows our virtual memory swap to be super fast," said Federighi. "Now that we're letting you have up to four apps on a panel plus another four – up to eight apps to be instantaneously responsive and have plenty of memory, we just don't have that ability on the other systems," such as the previous-generation iPad Pro.

Released in April 2021, the iPad Pro with an M1 chip is available with up to 16GB of RAM, compared to 6GB in the previous iPad Pro. Apple also advertises the M1 iPad Pro as having 2x faster storage and up to 40% faster GPU performance compared to the previous model. Apple also released an iPad Air with the same M1 chip in March 2022.

"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."

"When you put all this together, we can't deliver the full Stage Manager experience on any lesser system," added Federighi. "I mean, we would love to make it available everywhere we can. But this is what it requires. This is the experience we're going to carry into the future. We didn't want to constrain our design to something lesser, we're setting the benchmark for the future."

As for Stage Manager on the Mac, Federighi said there are already "so many different ways" to multitask on macOS, such as using Mission Control or the Command-Tab keyboard shortcut to switch between apps, and Stage Manager is simply another tool in the toolbox.

"On the Mac, there are so many different ways to work. Some people use spaces, some people are in and out of Mission Control. Some people are command tab people, some people like to create a mess, some people clean up their messes and some people use minimization. I mean, there's no wrong answer here, there are a lot of valid ways to work on the Mac."

"If 20% of the users on the Mac end up saying that this is another great tool in the quiver for them… that's fantastic," he said.

Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
So if the M1 iPad is so powerful why not allowing the MacOS to run on it?
 
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Just create a RAM-Drive and permanently occupy 10GB and see how well all still run.

The minimum memory requirement for macOS is 4Gb.

The performance isn't stellar when you start launching applications like Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and Chrome with a lot of tabs and only have 4Gb of memory as some of these iPads have.
 
So if the M1 iPad is so powerful why not allowing the MacOS to run on it?

30% App Store cut.

Also, without swap, Mac apps would likely be randomly crashing all the time. Now that that’s changed on 16, it might be possible for Apple to include the Mac App Store (for universal apps) to future iPadOS versions like how you can install some iOS apps on the M1 Macs now.
 
Hate to break it to you but macs had serviceable swap files on far slower storage.

And swap became so much faster with the M1 Macs it seems even overcoming performance degrading you would see.
That's why so M1 Macs with 8Gb of memory performed almost equally well with M1 Macs with 16Gb of memory.
 
That's exactly my point - "you can see why" but you can't know why for sure.

Always be careful when believing you know what someone else's true motivations are, because all you have is a narrative that fits your few data points, but there's no proof whether you are right.

Believing you are right will lead you down a path of thinking and if you happen to be wrong, everything you see from that path will be distorted.
I didn't say different. I made it clear there is a history of such behaviors so I am not surprised. As for Apple's motivations - profit and if by chance they do something that truly benefits people...it was by chance ; )
 
I didn't need a Pro device, and it shouldn't matter what device I decided to get.
The fact that it's been bought not long ago is what matter most.
Lmao people are still buying Mac Pros and I would be shocked if Apple doesn’t kick support within the next two years for any non Apple Silicon device and those are upwards of $50,000 so you really don’t get to complain.
 
Well, yes, actually. That's part of the deal. You pay a premium for an Apple device - especially a top-of-the-line Apple device and you expect several years of OS updates - which includes any OS updates which fundamentally change how the user interacts with the device.

So, yes, I have paid for Stage Manager.
That’s great! I hope this means Federighi himself will arrive at my house and personally solder in an M1 chip and double the RAM into my iPad Mini, so it can run shiny new Stage Manager.
 
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LMAO at some of these responses and the genuine belief that somehow you think buying a device entitles you to get every single feature in software for the time the device supports the software. That is not how software development has ever worked at any level with any company. Apple isn’t exempt from what are standard software development practices and setting baseline levels of desired hardware for XYZ feature.
 
Oh, you are LETTING us have it.

How condescending can you be?

It's Apple's privilege to decide how they create their software and hardware and which feature they make available to customers.

So yes, Apple is letting customers have certain features or not at their own discretion. It's their software.
 
I already shared my complaints about leaving Ipad owners in the dust with just a 2 year old ipad but I find a common theme in this forum and that is that there is a sizeable base of fanboys who attack others for criticizing Apple products or software. It is not as simple as just buy the product Apple is trying to get you to buy - many people have limited incomes and can’t buy every new iteration of the Ipad, and I know many have been told by MacRumors there is no need for the M1 Ipad when it rolled out because of lack of pro software and then IOS rolls out one year later with software that does not play well with 75% of the Ipad user base. Have some compassion for fellow Ipad users.
The problem is that a lot of commenters here believe Apple is lying to them and it's doing it only to sell new software or that Apple has a moral obligation to support older hardware with all the features they make.

If Apple is lying to them, why are they still customers?
Why is a business decision worse than a technical decision?

If some people are so dissatisfied with Apple, why don't they abandon them?
 
Nope. Everything. They paid for everything.

And please don't insult people by claiming they don't know what words mean.

If you read the software license agreement for the software you will read that Apple reserves the right not to upgrade the software at all and to not provide every feature to every device.

Also, you don't buy the software. You get a license which gives you the right to use it under certain circumstances.
 
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