Apple's Craig Federighi: Mac Not Meeting the Bar for Customer Protection

[Ethosik]

The caveat to this is people actually do feel the walled gardens are very secure. Apple creates an image that if you use their phone, then you’re safe. That will bound to promote a certain level of complacency and surprise when they get caught for various things

And you think no walled garden will make things BETTER? Or better yet, no walled garden will keep things the SAME? We have police, we can appreciate police and applaud them. Yet crime still exists.

 

[ipponrg]

And you think no walled garden will make things BETTER? Or better yet, no walled garden will keep things the SAME? We have police, we can appreciate police and applaud them. Yet crime still exists.

No, I don't think nor have I said that having no walled garden would make things better. You're overreacting and taking things out of context. My point is some people feel that the walled garden protects you from nearly everything which is far from the truth.

 

[C3PO]

You have no clue what it costs to run this type of business

Again my point was never about the pricing, but rather about splitting the app vetting from app marketing and letting 3rd parties play in the app marketing game.
BTW: I wouldn't presume to assume what I know, I think you'd be pretty surprised. Hint: I worked for Apple.

 

[mxrider88]

You value your freedom to do the stuffs you like. Why are you insisting others' freedom in building their own products according to their needs to be curtailed? If there comes a day when Apple locks down macOS or that the quality of their products drops off a cliff, and their general user base got so upset as to leave in droves, then it only means that Apple made a big mistake and they should go out of business. Wouldn't you agree?

I don’t understand what your point it, but I want to clarify I didn’t mean that I want the App Store or iOS more open. But on the flip side I don’t think macOS needs to become more close and with this statement from Federighi it sounds like they are thinking about heading that direction.

Plus, I really don’t like that dude. He destroyed macOS. He is funny and everything ok, he shouldn’t lead apple software. We need Bertrand Serlet back!

 

[Ethosik]

No, I don't think nor have I said that having no walled garden would make things better. You're overreacting and taking things out of context. My point is some people feel that the walled garden protects you from nearly everything which is far from the truth.

Your exact quote here.

The caveat to this is people actually do feel the walled gardens are very secure. Apple creates an image that if you use their phone, then you’re safe. That will bound to promote a certain level of complacency and surprise when they get caught for various things

How am I taking things out of context? Just like the police, they can celebrate how effective they are WITHOUT being 100%. Some crime still slips through.

 

[mi7chy]

All of the sudden it's only an issue because they want to lockdown MacOS like they do with iPadOS/iOS so that they control everything you consume and make a 30% cut off of it.

 

[mxrider88]

Oh, give Federighi a break, it was a thinly veiled distress call already.

”Serlet, where are you? We need you here!”

Thats what I always say…. Serlet and Forstall, where are you guys??

 

[ipponrg]

Your exact quote here.

"The caveat to this is people actually do feel the walled gardens are very secure. Apple creates an image that if you use their phone, then you’re safe. That will bound to promote a certain level of complacency and surprise when they get caught for various things"

How am I taking things out of context? Just like the police, they can celebrate how effective they are WITHOUT being 100%. Some crime still slips through.

Did someone called the pedantic police on me? I had no idea it's a crime to mention a caveat.

I'd like to point out for your own confusion, I was responding to the original comment (click here) without reading any prior post before it:

I don’t think anybody is arguing that iPhones are 100% secure. Nothing will be 100% secure. Apple is trying to make their products as secure as they possibly can. I would say the same for all device and OS developers, maybe some more than others. Arguing that we cannot be 100% secure, therefore why even try, is silly.

There's nothing being said about how Apple can't celebrate their success in that specific quote, so I am unsure how you are taking things in context.

 

[DeepIn2U]

That's fake news.
The PowerMac G5 launched at $1999 in 2003.
The Intel Mac Pro started as follows:
2006 entry level at $2199,
2008 entry level at $2299,
2010 entry level at $2499,
2013 entry level at $2999,
2019 entry level at $5999.

Thunderbolt Display, Target display mode & Xserve weren't defeated by competition. There wasn't any 'competition' to these. Nobody made thunderbolt displays. Target Display mode was Mac specific. Xserve was native Mac OS X on servers. Apple stopped improving Aperture & it died.

Edit: Accidentally pressed enter & posted incomplete.

The Mac Pro also didn’t launch at $15K like you claimed.

NOTHING I stated was fake news
ALL PowerMacs And Mac pros are configurable AND go up thousands of dollars based on purchase configurations. Anybody who really knows Macs KNOWS this.

XServe was completely defeated by competition. XServe won computational power first year out. By second year MANY universities featured Linux servers with MUCH more power - you can even search the news here on Macrumors news.

The Xserve shipped in 2002 - upgraded to G5’s in 2005 and we ALL know what happened to G5’s right? G5 was NOT a Motorola, Apple, and IBM partnership like the G4’s it was just Apple and IBM; and IBM stagnated on performance per watt - WAY too much power (more than a 10K BTU AC unit would use in an hour). Intel XServes announced August 2007.

You come across like a VERY disgruntled late XServer purchaser/owner.

Those aren’t good enough reasons. Apple isn’t the only company to figure out payments online.

No, but they’re the VERY best at it.

Apple Pay - first, Took Google - an internet company twice to get theirs right (and after first try Samsung leading the way for Android payments here in N.America and Western Europe). Heck China went full QR Codes which here we’ve found can be quite shady - but they made a great economy based on it. The economy of people changes are any uptake of digital payments works. I’m curious what India is/will do with theirs Since just 2yrs ago or less they resolved major cash fraud.

 

[DeepIn2U]

oh my ***** god. i enjoy hair force one at the presentations, but all i could do reading this was eye roll and think "get off this nonsense already."

i'm not sure where the metrics are on malware for macOS, but i install most of my apps NOT from the mac app store because i vehemently oppose the notion of it, and the microsoft store. much like on windows which does not babysit its users, i am *absolutely* fine and do not encounter some "unacceptable" amount of malware.

locking down an OS to someone's standards of "approval" is heinous, nonsensical, a horrible direction to take, and a piss poor excuse / defense for the lack of flexibility that iOS and iPadOS have. this is a disturbingly asinine position to take, and i hope this judge accepts nothing of this.

say NO to locked down macOS. locked down macOS would just suffer the same problem as this upcoming iPad: fantastic available power but nothing to actually do with it.

i have jailbroken almost every iphone i've had since the iphone 4. i would jailbreak my mobile apple devices the moment i got them into my hands if such an option were available. so much can be done that apple does not "permit" because "OMG MALWARE."

yeah. okay. because even jailbroken without the protection of Daddy AppStoreReview i didnt encounter a malware ridden device.

this makes me livid. how stupid does apple leadership think people are?????

to counter - in both macOS, Windows OS, System 7, WinCE, COBOL, etc in all but Unix/Linux the OS is not in any form, part nor shape or in likeness of existence in pertitude throughout the Universe (roflmao had to use this), owned by you, me, we, us the people.

Just to see where all the siding on this can go, ultimate that’s it. It’s the corporations OS and they create, update and adjust and even serve how they feel.

now consider the direct reach to more people across the globe and containing much more personal information. Therein lies the appeal to right less data miners and storage consolidated teams now it also is more focused to lock down the system.

each two sides of the coin.

 

[Stephen.R]

to counter - in both macOS, Windows OS, System 7, WinCE, COBOL, etc in all but Unix/Linux the OS is not in any form, part nor shape or in likeness of existence in pertitude throughout the Universe (roflmao had to use this), owned by you, me, we, us the people.

Just to see where all the siding on this can go, ultimate that’s it. It’s the corporations OS and they create, update and adjust and even serve how they feel.

now consider the direct reach to more people across the globe and containing much more personal information. Therein lies the appeal to right less data miners and storage consolidated teams now it also is more focused to lock down the system.

each two sides of the coin.

Most actual Unix’s are owned by corporations. That’s literally what sco vs Novell was about.

Linux is not an operating system, it’s a kernel, and it is not owned by “we the people”, it’s merely open source.

the distributions that use Linux are not owned by “we the people” (but are generally open source). Several are owned by corporations.

the core of macOS is Darwin, which is also open source.

 

[DeepIn2U]

The difference is the PC has a 30 year history of not needing a centralized repository of approved applications. So PC users are not trained from experience to go to the app store to find and install apps.

Android has enabled sideloading for it's entire existence, and there are three mainstream app stores that I am familiar with. Epic's, Amazon's, and Google's. Certainly not the hundreds that the person I was replying to suggested. Like I said people aren't going to go to the effort of downloading and installing apps outside of the app store on a mobile platform.

The point is they should be able to if they want to.

looking at the major differences in Linux OS (FC1/2 : FC24) it really does feel like Linux has a a centralized repository of approved applications (Yum & alternative) which is universal across various distros. Even if it is functioning like a hyperlink.

 

[Stephen.R]

looking at the major differences in Linux OS (FC1/2 : FC24) it really does feel like Linux has a a centralized repository of approved applications (Yum & alternative) which is universal across various distros. Even if it is functioning like a hyperlink.

Each distro has a default repo, but the user can add other repos or host their own. It’s a fairly common thing for projects/vendors to provide eg an apt repo for Debian and Ubuntu users.

edit: typo

 

[brofkand]

looking at the major differences in Linux OS (FC1/2 : FC24) it really does feel like Linux has a a centralized repository of approved applications (Yum & alternative) which is universal across various distros. Even if it is functioning like a hyperlink.

Package managers are not universal. Some are more universal than others though.