This doesn’t bode well for the upcoming Apple Car.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple's Craig Federighi: Mac Not Meeting the Bar for Customer Protection
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
They Make macOS 12 locked down to App Store purchases only then I don't see an M1 or M2 Mac in my future
I'll stay Intel or AMD. Stick with Big Sur as the Last Great macOS.
APP install Lockdown and ARM Processor just not worth it.
A Co Processor will soon be available thru Microsoft and Intel to cut down on Windows Malware. I'd rather go that route
I'll stay Intel or AMD. Stick with Big Sur as the Last Great macOS.
APP install Lockdown and ARM Processor just not worth it.
A Co Processor will soon be available thru Microsoft and Intel to cut down on Windows Malware. I'd rather go that route
“ Federighi’s analogy is that the Mac is like a car: The Mac is a car. You can take it off road if you want and you can drive wherever you want. That’s what you wanted to buy. There’s a certain level of responsibility required. With iOS, you wanted to buy something where children can operate an iOS device and feel safe doing so. It’s really a different product”.
I disagree with Craig. I can set parental controls on my kids Mac and iPhone so one is not any safer than the other.
I disagree with Craig. I can set parental controls on my kids Mac and iPhone so one is not any safer than the other.
That's why the iOS model is so great. It protects against user errors and user stupidity in a lot of cases too!
Well, if you do it right, the money will come. Wouldn't you agree?
I can see where this going. After the trial Apple will move to lock down the Mac saying they are doing it to protect user security. You will only be able to download Mac apps from the Mac AppStore where Apple also take a 30% cut. I hope I’m wrong but I can see it happening very soon.
Your sarcasm aside, why do you think users need Little Snitch installed in your Mac?
Could it be that Apple knows a lot more than you or I, or anybody else not involved in Apple's security framework, about their devices' security profile, and therefore worked towards improving security for them in small increments?
Last edited:
So iOS users are stupid? I just despair at the lengths people will go to defend this thing.
All that requires knowledge and time. The purpose of Apple computers is to avoid spending time administrating and congfigure your computer.
With iOS you can be uninformed or reckless and still not get into trouble.
The Mac suffered 130 different malware attacks in the last year. Ransomware is on the rise for the Mac. iOS has had zero ransomware attack AFAIK.
How many of those 130 malware attacks were intercepted by your security software? What about all the exploits we keep reading about that have been secretly sitting in iOS for years unfixed until someone goes public with their findings.
Also you are ignoring all the scam apps where people have lost thousands of dollars downloading apps in the AppStore.
Good point. And that's why security is not just any one thing. It is the sum of all parts that make it good or bad, the App Store being just one of the parts of the whole. Your weaken that, it'll be a new vector of attack.
I don’t see them locking down the Mac like iOS. My company and I am sure many others use MBPs professionally without dealing with App Store shenanigans. Locking it down, could force corporate to go back to Windows.
The malware argument Craig makes is valid for an iOS. Because iOS is so hamstrung compared to MacOS, malware will be a lot harder for the casual customer to deal with. If Apple would have just said, “ok <company> you can run your own payment system”, maybe we wouldn’t have this drama today 🤣
Nothing wrong with that. Every corporation aims for that.
And if Apple comes up with something that pisses off their users or developer, and they leave the Apple eco-system in droves, then Apples deserves what they sowed and should go out of business.
Well, everyone here was pointing out not so long ago that Apple arguing for the locked down nature of iOS seemed like hypocrisy when macOS also existed, and it seemed like Apple is willing to throw macOS under the bus.
I was wondering if this day would ever come, and it has, and I am none too surprised, because it is in line with that I have been arguing for all this while. macOS is left (semi) open because that ship has long sailed, and Apple would not be able to close it without alienating a large chunk of the developers who create apps for the Mac. It's not naivety or blind optimism that allows macOS to stay "open", but plain and simple pragmatism.
iOS started out closed, and developers who chose to create for that platform went in with their eyes open. Its current locked down nature allows for the greatest amount of good to the greatest number of users, and I don't expect Apple to give in without a fight.
My money is still on Apple though. And with Apple currently serving only 1/7 of the world's population, there is still a lot of room for them to grow (for those of you thinking that Apple has already reached some sort of plateau). As more people come into the Apple ecosystem, I will argue that there will be an even greater need for Apple to clamp down on bad apps and actors, not less.
I was wondering if this day would ever come, and it has, and I am none too surprised, because it is in line with that I have been arguing for all this while. macOS is left (semi) open because that ship has long sailed, and Apple would not be able to close it without alienating a large chunk of the developers who create apps for the Mac. It's not naivety or blind optimism that allows macOS to stay "open", but plain and simple pragmatism.
iOS started out closed, and developers who chose to create for that platform went in with their eyes open. Its current locked down nature allows for the greatest amount of good to the greatest number of users, and I don't expect Apple to give in without a fight.
My money is still on Apple though. And with Apple currently serving only 1/7 of the world's population, there is still a lot of room for them to grow (for those of you thinking that Apple has already reached some sort of plateau). As more people come into the Apple ecosystem, I will argue that there will be an even greater need for Apple to clamp down on bad apps and actors, not less.
Erm ... I don't following this school of thought. It's like blaming the hammer when the resulting furniture that was built from the hammer turned out bad.
Absolutely! They will save a fortune! Imagine how many people they could layoff, no more replacements on a whim! No more free trials, broken screen, oh well try joe down the street maybe he can help!
The main reason why so many of us download software outside the Mac App Store is because the software isn't in the store. I would love to have every Mac application in the Mac App Store.
Maybe you work on geological time.
Aperture: 2015
Xserve: 2011
AirPort: 2013 (latest model)
Thunderbolt Dislpay: 2011 (latest model)
Target display mode: 2015
Entry-priced Mac Pro: 2013
Nvidia GPU: 2009 (high performance) or 2013 (latest model with one included)
There is evidence that there may be more vulnerabilities in iOS despite it being less open than Android: https://onezero.medium.com/is-android-getting-safer-than-ios-4a2ca6f359d3
Obviously this is difficult to say for certain, but there is something to be said for the more open nature of Android making it easier to discover vulnerabilities. It's a major part of the FLOSS movement.
There have been so many revelations and secrets revealed during this trial that notoriously secretive Tim Cook must be tearing his hair out. I’m loving it.
If your security model relies on users being knowledgeable and careful, it is going to fail a lot of times.
Why do companies restrict Windows computers instead of educating users?
Basically, yes that is what they try to achieve.
iOS should be safe out of the box for a 3-year old and an 80 year old. It should be safe for people who can't grasp the difference between "Safari" and a "browser" even though they have been using PCs or Mac for 30 years. It should be safe for my mother who has never used a PC. It should be safe for anyone who doesn't understand what a file system is.
I wonder why that is? The dystopian nightmare of a locked down Mac is a truly terrible thought and will drive many users onto Windows.