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What should they have been? Who decides what the price of a smartphone should be? And how do you know people have overextended themselves to own this phone? That’s certainly not the case with me.

I think you're being a bit defensive here because you purchased the phone and don't want to feel like you were taken advantage of by Apple. What I said in my comment is that some people overextended themselves to get the latest phone and thus perpetuated the inflated price.

The general consensus among owners of the phone and tech reviewers is that whilst nice, it is not worth $1,000 and most reviewers told people to look at other flagships before pulling the trigger on an iPhone just because it's the newest model of a line of phones they've bought year in year out like clockwork.

Essentially this is the first iPhone where reviewers basically told people, look don't just buy this because you always bought iPhones, this is different, this is $1,000 and you can't just ignore the cheaper priced competition which are just as good at the fundamental things you're doing with your phone.

To answer your question about who dictates the price of a phone, clearly the market decides. The Essential phone came out at a high price, didn't sell, they knocked the price down and offered partial refunds to early adopters. That's how things should happen. For Apple they have a very large market for themselves so they don't need to do those things but they have lowered orders from their suppliers and will be attempting to lower the price with the followup by using more affordable and technically inferior LCD IPS displays instead of OLED.

I do not wish to have a confrontation with you, I'm just writing honestly my thoughts.
 
You can't spin this as a positive.

Yes you could, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Apple hit the roof when it comes to ridiculous overpricing. Imagine what would happen if the X sold just as much as apple expected...they would be able to charge even more next year to see if they could push the limit a bit more. Now we won't see that (I hope).
 
While I bought an iPhone X, I'm kinda glad it isn't doing well. After tax for a 256GB version, I spent over $1,200 on my phone. That is a ridiculous amount of money for a phone. I really don't want that to become the norm for an iPhone.
Did you pay $1200 out of pocket? Just curious.
 
Yes you could, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Apple hit the roof when it comes to ridiculous overpricing. Imagine what would happen if the X sold just as much as apple expected...they would be able to charge even more next year to see if they could push the limit a bit more. Now we won't see that (I hope).
You can't spin this as a positive for Apple is what the poster implied. Of course this a positive for the future consumer.
 
I think apple misread the situation with pricing the X so high. I have one, and its a good phone, but I will say its not 1,000 good.

I agree with that - I had one for five weeks but returned it, though not because of the cost or value perceptions. Although I think the X is generally brilliant from a hardware perspective, the implementation of PWM made the screen uncomfortable to look at for any period of time. On the OS/software side, I found a lot of Apple's UI choices frustrating (and they continued to be frustrating, rather than getting used to them over five weeks).

Everyone's going to have their own reasons, but the X has enough new things going on that there are probably a much greater number of reasons than usual to pass on a purchase - not just because of the high price point.
 
Yes Kuo is never wrong. Anything he says is a fact. I believe Kuo is a way for Apple to drip feed customers with features of upcoming iPhones throughout the year so consumers arent shocked at the actual release. This low end iPhone would be shocking at the price point it’s advertised at but now we are ready for it. You can quote me on this in a year.

You mean lesser features at the same cost. This 6.1 LCD is inferior to 8 Plus in every way except for bezels and FaceID and still costs $799.Apple managed to make the X look like a value buy in front of this. You lose a good screen and those dual cameras. Might as well stick woh TouchID for them.
You’re right, he’s not wrong unless he is.:rolleyes:

But here we again with treating rumors as facts, from someone who is never wrong unless he is.

Well being inferior in any way except for...means it’s not inferior if that is what you want. Inferior is subjective.
 
Did you pay $1200 out of pocket? Just curious.

Yes. I really wanted an X as soon as possible. I was afraid if I messed around with Apple or AT&T's financing stuff, it would delay things and I wouldn't get a phone until March. Looking back now, we can all see their weren't the shortages for the phone that I think a lot of people expected.
 
It was a test to see if they could jack up prices by adding a feature with dubious extra value (FaceID) but that requires gobs of new sensors, cameras, and technology. I think they're seeing that it's not working.
 
This thread is hilarious in its lack of perspective. Potentially, 60+ million iPhones priced over $1,000 in 6 months, and people want to write this off as not selling so well.:eek::cool::p
 
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This thread is hilarious in its lack of perspective. Potentially, 60+ million iPhones priced over $1,000 in 6 months, and people want to write this off as not selling so well.:eek::cool::p
In comparison. The cut the volume in half.

Wall Street is all about growth.
 
I think apple misread the situation with pricing the X so high. I have one, and its a good phone, but I will say its not 1,000 good.
I do not have one, but I do share the sentiment of not spending so much freaking money for a phone. I got a used LG G4 for $220. It has no home button, but it does have bezels at the top and bottom. However, close enough. Especially when I get to save $800 to $1000. And I consider it having Android as a positive. If it were bad, I would've left a long time ago.

I have my Ipod Touch 5 and Ipad Air for iOS access, so that's really the best of all worlds.


Yeah, Apple's trying to pass themselves off as some "fashion thing", where people will spend more money due to the brand name and the aesthetics of the product.
 
I've had iPhone X for two months now and I love it more with every new day. It's a brilliant phone, quite possibly the best device Apple has ever made. Feels generations ahead iPad Pro or any of the new Macs.

iPhone X is *by far* the best iPhone I've ever used, and I've had every single model ever released. Using it is a pleasure.

Ok, please enlighten us all and tell us what makes the "X" so "Brilliant"? What makes it the "Best" iPhone you have ever owned. I want to hear it from people who actually own a "X".
 
This thread is hilarious in its lack of perspective. Potentially, 60+ million iPhones priced over $1,000 in 6 months, and people want to write this off as not selling so well.:eek::cool::p

Except if the business plan and supply chain expected to sell 120m+ in which case it has not done well.
 
Except if the business plan and supply chain expected to sell 120m+ in which case it has not done well.
Except that there is no evidence that they intended to sell 120m+ iPhone X in 6 months. Again, they always reduce production after they catch up with demand from the holidays. That's not unexpected.
 
I have and love my X, the pictures it takes are truly excellent. I went for the 256MB and frankly these are closer to $1,400 out the door. I thought I'd hate the loss of the home button much like I hate the removal of the audio jack (which I still do), but I actually really like just how well they implemented facial ID and the virtual home bar. It took a day to adopt and I'd happily never go back. They need to find a way to add landscape facial recognition but for now, entering the code is pretty quick when the face doesn't.

Maybe I'm lucky but I don't detect any PWM flicker of the screen at low brightness so I'm happy with the display. The off angle tinting isn't a big deal and the battery life of the X is great.

That said, it's a freaking expensive phone, with a ridiculous design, when a glass back costs something like $500 to replace where a composite could/should have been used. I like mine as I said, but I don't personally know any others in my circles that are interested.
 
Well, at this point Apple has been heavily marketing the iPhone X over any other iPhones.
Yes, the X is being heavily marketed. But is any of that marketing compelling? Look at the focus of the X ads. FaceID, Animoji and... ???

There just isnt that much about the new iPhone design or feature set that would cause a regular user to feel "Oh, that one is better". And thats a huge problem when the cheaper and more familiar is also out there.
 
This thread is hilarious in its lack of perspective. Potentially, 60+ million iPhones priced over $1,000 in 6 months, and people want to write this off as not selling so well.:eek::cool::p

Did you read the article? It is not selling as well as Apple expected. In fact, it is selling half as well. That's quite a miscalculation.
 
It was a test to see if they could jack up prices by adding a feature with dubious extra value (FaceID) but that requires gobs of new sensors, cameras, and technology. I think they're seeing that it's not working.
That "dubious" technology will be in all phones soon enough and then you will wonder how you ever lived without it.

Rinse, repeat.
 
Did you read the article? It is not selling as well as Apple expected. In fact, it is selling half as well. That's quite a miscalculation.
I did read the article, but the article doesn't know how many Apple expected to sell. Only Apple knows that number. All the article could know is how fast Apple is asking for them to be produced.

We go through the same thing every year. Apple ramps up production in the fall to meet the peak launch and holiday demand, then they reduce production in the early part of the year after they have met the initial demand. And every year we see multiple articles pointing to this decrease in production as a negative.
 
I think you're being a bit defensive here because you purchased the phone and don't want to feel like you were taken advantage of by Apple. What I said in my comment is that some people overextended themselves to get the latest phone and thus perpetuated the inflated price.
I don’t feel like I was taken advantage of. Now if there was a huge increase in margins or profit (with no real increase in sales) maybe I would. But there is zero evidence of that.
 
Except that there is no evidence that they intended to sell 120m+ iPhone X in 6 months. Again, they always reduce production after they catch up with demand from the holidays. That's not unexpected.
Just read the article! It said:
The U.S. tech giant notified suppliers that it had decided to cut the target for the period to around 20 million units, in light of slower-than-expected sales in the year-end holiday shopping season in key markets such as Europe, the U.S. and China.
It clearly says that Apple intended to sell 40 million Xs (that's what "target" means) but now is asking to cut the order.
 
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