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Is everything working properly at wwdc? Things are cobbled together. This was one of the things that didn’t pan out and Apple delayed it.
No again if as someone pointed out if it’s only working about 70% of the time now then about 9 months ago it must have been working 10% to 20% so there is no way they should have announced then.
Just silliness on Apple’s behalf & now they are scrambling around saying look see it kind of works.
 
No again if as someone pointed out if it’s only working about 70% of the time now then about 9 months ago it must have been working 10% to 20% so there is no way they should have announced then.
Just silliness on Apple’s behalf & now they are scrambling around saying look see it kind of works.
Sigh. After about 100 posts on this nobody is changing anybody’s mind. There are a few constants no matter what nonsense is written:
- Tim Cook isn’t going anywhere
- Apple delayed something at wwdc that they thought would pan out and hit a snag
- Apple doesn’t care about the hyperbolic criticism
- the truth is not known unless Apple spills the beans. No matter what posters say
 
Apple did not only base there iPhone advertising around Apple Intelligence but most of the rest of their line as well. Honestly what would have been best for them is to bring it out as a huge public beta, and just concentrate on the stupid camera button. Probably would have sold the same amount of phones, and had taken no damage to their rep.
 
It seems Apple has learned from its Apple Maps release that software must be in better shape before releasing it it to the general public… I’m happy to wait for them to get it right, rather than having it right now! 😉
 
What compensation will Apple provide to those of us who upgraded a serviceable older iPhone to gain this iOS 18 AI capability?

This delay seems like bait and switch.
A bonk on the head for buying something based on promises and not what it does at the time of purchase. You have no one to blame but yourself for being taken in on this. It's a good phone. But if you had a good phone already and replaced it knowing full well these past years that Apple is rolling out features across the year. I mean. Look in the mirror, that's the person responsible.
 
Sigh. After about 100 posts on this nobody is changing anybody’s mind. There are a few constants no matter what nonsense is written:
- Tim Cook isn’t going anywhere
- Apple delayed something at wwdc that they thought would pan out and hit a snag
- Apple doesn’t care about the hyperbolic criticism
- the truth is not known unless Apple spills the beans. No matter what posters say
Well the truth is actually known that they can’t get the bloody thing to work properly hence why they are having meetings about it 9 months later.

If they never cared about the criticism them why are things coming out like meetings discussing it & apparently it kind of working in the last week.
 
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I dont know if its probally too Late but they should do iOS 19 only for bug fixes no new feautures or design changing. Than Go all in with iOS 20 with design Changes and the new Siri step by step.
 
I dont know if its probally too Late but they should do iOS 19 only for bug fixes no new feautures or design changing. Than Go all in with iOS 20 with design Changes and the new Siri step by step.
That makes the stock go down. Apple is all about money printer go brrrrrrr. Apple actively disincentivizes bug fixes. They just had some feedback from someone inside Apple to that effect that was read on the ATP podcast. So now we know. And yes I believe the person that wrote in, sounds like they are frustrated and a bit of anon feedback was a release valve of sorts. Apple is losing control of the narrative.
 
It seems Apple has learned from its Apple Maps release that software must be in better shape before releasing it it to the general public… I’m happy to wait for them to get it right, rather than having it right now! 😉

Yep... same here. But people going non-linear for a feature they say they'll never want on their iPhone, and will turn it off if it ever shows up on their iPhone, is what it's really about. Bouncing off the walls going non-linear about an unwanted feature that wasn't delivered where Apple is involved is where it's at.
 
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I remember when features announced in WWDC made it into the day 1 release in September, because they used to do actual demos, not show off vaporware and concept videos.

iOS 4 was announced at the Apple Special Event on April 8, 2010, WWDC 2010 was at June 7-10 and iOS 4 released on June 21, 2010.
 
iOS 4 was announced at the Apple Special Event on April 8, 2010, WWDC 2010 was at June 7-10 and iOS 4 released on June 21, 2010.
I'm not sure why people are holding Apple to what they were 15 years ago. That's a different company altogether. The metric would be better focused on the last 3-5 years.
 
Well the truth is actually known that they can’t get the bloody thing to work properly hence why they are having meetings about it 9 months later.
Hence a delay.
If they never cared about the criticism them why are things coming out like meetings discussing it & apparently it kind of working in the last week.
To put it in perspective, it actually means something to disagree with my posts and we have nothing on the line except to be “right”.

Back to Apple nothing to say Apple shouldn’t address the future direction of its products.
 
Which I agree but maybe I’m delusional but it’s already a PR disaster now. Now everyone already feels it was false advertising. We already in that corner. Right now everyone thinks that you have nothing at all. They all think it’s a complete lie regarding the features. Would it not be better to say no everyone we are working on it. This is where we are at we just don’t want to release it officially to the public until it’s to Apple standards.
But until then we will utilize the beta program as it was intended. Because the beta program was meant to give developers the opportunity to test their apps with the new software and features but to also allow developers to experience the new features Apple is working on and give feedback. The device would be on non-daily driver as the program suggest and for those who don’t they take responsibility for the errors impacting them.

But I guess my thought is proving that guys we aren’t lying we didn’t bait and switch this was our intent. We have a working model but it’s not to the standards that Apple has is better than we not even close and we can’t even let developers and beta testers even get a glimpse of it. Seeing a 60-80% version to me would make me feel like ok it’s not perfect but at least I know it isn’t a pipe dream or never going to happen i just need patience for polished product.
I agree to an extent. Whatever they communicate will be the most optimistic take on the current state of development. But if they actually make the current state publicly accessible, you can also be sure that it would be scrutinized to shreds, and the competition would gloat over every single flaw that it exhibits. So I can understand that they don’t do that. On the other hand, I also don’t particularly trust anything they say anymore.
 
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Hence a delay.

To put it in perspective, it actually means something to disagree with my posts and we have nothing on the line except to be “right”.

Back to Apple nothing to say Apple shouldn’t address the future direction of its products.
If that’s the case about Apple shouldn’t address the future direction of its products then don’t announce something at wwdc for the roadmap for the next year if you can’t deliver it in the time scale.
Meaning don’t over deliver on promises
 
If that’s the case about Apple shouldn’t address the future direction of its products then don’t announce something at wwdc for the roadmap for the next year if you can’t deliver it in the time scale.
Meaning don’t over deliver on promises
Sure. But things happen. Some critical thing must have shown up at the last minute such that they had to delay. It happens. People usually don’t claim faux outrage about this stuff.
 
Quoting Daring Fireball without mentioning that Gruber's point was Apple's betrayal of its customers by showing what was *obviously* only a conceptual video at WWDC - yet still advertising it as coming in iOS18 to those who upgrade to an AI-ready new iPhone. So Apple essentially sold iPhones based an illusion. Pretty darn close to false advertising if you ask me.
I don’t know how anyone can say that one iPhone 16 commercial wasn’t false advertising. They were literally advertising something that isn’t publicly available.
 
If that’s the case about Apple shouldn’t address the future direction of its products then don’t announce something at wwdc for the roadmap for the next year if you can’t deliver it in the time scale.
Meaning don’t over deliver on promises
I kind of give them a pass on the AI stuff. It's hard to get it right, the engineers knew it, and the marketing goons pushed it anyway. They course corrected. Marketing types are mostly chaotic evil and should be dealt with the same way it is dispatched with in 40K.

I'm curious about the Xcode AI tools those haven't been talked about at all since WWDC. I genuinely question how well all this will work when it's released as it relies to a large degree on buy-in from their developers. And that's a strained relationship. If Apple is asking folks to redesign their apps for a new UI convention, and they've got the app intents thing too that need updates for personal context, I just see it as unpaid work that's putting undue stress on a group already feeling alienated and unappreciated.
 
Sure. But things happen. Some critical thing must have shown up at the last minute such that they had to delay. It happens. People usually don’t claim faux outrage about this stuff.
well, but Apple is perfect, aren't they? /s

I worked in product development most of my career and "s&*t happens", to everyone. Then you course correct.
But, that is beyond some posters here ...
 
Winning a class action lawsuit should be a piece of cake, then.
They’ll claim the ad included a disclaimer. But the disclaimer didn’t specifically say what was shown in the ad wasn’t available. It was a generic “some features and languages will be coming over the next year”. Of course if the ‘more personal Siri’ doesn’t come in 2025 then the disclaimer will be false.

 
Sure. But things happen. Some critical thing must have shown up at the last minute such that they had to delay. It happens. People usually don’t claim faux outrage about this stuff.
The only critical thinking that came up was oh jeez why can’t actually deliver this so we better delay it for another year
 
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